How would you handle the Barber situation?

[theogt]

This is funny, you guys need to stop watching youtube videos of these prospects. And i say Prospect because thats what they are. Chocie hasnt gain a first down, hasnt even been through his first training camp and you are ready to let Barber( A guy who eveyrone loved fr the last couple of seasons) go. Thats just terrible. How about we wait to see how things turnout with barbers contract situation first.

Like i said, we need to have him signed before the seasons starts, or at least early in the season. Because if he is on his way to another pro bowl year chances are he wont resign. Remember, we a lot of teams would pay top dollars for Barber. The best thing to do is to get a deal done because we don't know how things will work out with these other two, Barbers proven.

You all, should be ashamed of your selves for turning on Barber so quickly. Terrible, Choice and Jones. To PROSPECTS, who haven't even played a down. And there have been better prospect than these two who turn out to be complete bust.

Who turned on Barber? He's not a 300+ carry top 5 back. So he shouldn't get paid that way.

 

[Eskimo]

This is funny, you guys need to stop watching youtube videos of these prospects. And i say Prospect because thats what they are. Chocie hasnt gain a first down, hasnt even been through his first training camp and you are ready to let Barber( A guy who eveyrone loved fr the last couple of seasons) go. Thats just terrible. How about we wait to see how things turnout with barbers contract situation first.

Like i said, we need to have him signed before the seasons starts, or at least early in the season. Because if he is on his way to another pro bowl year chances are he wont resign. Remember, we a lot of teams would pay top dollars for Barber. The best thing to do is to get a deal done because we don't know how things will work out with these other two, Barbers proven.

You all, should be ashamed of your selves for turning on Barber so quickly. Terrible, Choice and Jones. To PROSPECTS, who haven't even played a down. And there have been better prospect than these two who turn out to be complete bust.

No one has turned on Barber. He is just pricing himself out of Dallas based on the leaks from his agent.

He will sign his tender and play out the year. At some point during the year, we'll decide if we want to extend him. If not, he'll hit FA and go to the highest bidder.

 

[Eskimo]

He has turned down $30 mil right?

Franchise him and see what happens.


Someone will pay him ALOT to be a starter and that will be the end of him. At this point he wants to secure a BIG Signing Bonus.

I dont think we can deal with him.

I think the franchise tag should be considered for TNew. If we can't agree to a deal with him, we should be able to squeeze a high pick or two off of some team that wants a top 5 CB.

 

[MCowboys]

But if he's only carrying the rock so few times a year, why pay him $10M/yr to do it?

I've got no major problem with $10M guarantee and $25-30M over 5-6 years for a guy who is going to split carries, run hard and provide leadership. The $40-60M figure suggests he greatly overestimates his worth. Every dollar he takes is money out of someone else's pocket. Football is a team game and he is being very selfish with these alleged demands.

You don't pay him $10M a year, but 6 a year really isn't that bad, especially considering how much the cap goes up every year. If the Cowboys aren't willing to pay Barber around 6 million a year, then they will face this same problem in another 3-4 years with Felix Jones and/or Choice.

 

[Wolfpack]

This draft should be a shot across the bow of the HMS Rosenbloodsucker.

 

[Eskimo]

You don't pay him $10M a year, but 6 a year really isn't that bad, especially considering how much the cap goes up every year. If the Cowboys aren't willing to pay Barber around 6 million a year, then they will face this same problem in another 3-4 years with Felix Jones and/or Choice.

Cowboys have reportedly offered 5 years $30M - Barber's camp came back with the $40-60M figure - Larry Johnson type money.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think the franchise tag should be considered for TNew. If we can't agree to a deal with him, we should be able to squeeze a high pick or two off of some team that wants a top 5 CB.

I dont want to mess with TNew. He is a starter. I would just get a deal done.

 

[Eskimo]

I dont want to mess with TNew. He is a starter. I would just get a deal done.

It depends on our cap and how much we trust Pacman and how good Jenkins is. Ideally, we sign TNew to a competitive contract. However, I would not let him see FA at all if we haven't agreed to terms by the start of FA. We have to tag him to ensure we get him or someone trades something of value for him - at least a 1st rounder.

 

[DeaconBlues]

This draft should be a shot across the bow of the HMS Rosenbloodsucker.

Why? Both backs have totaled zero yards, and could be busts. If I'm the agent, I continue as before - negotiate the best deal possible. He may not get 40 to 60 million, but he'll likely do better that the 30 million Dallas is offering.

Everyone should chill and let the negotiations complete. No sense in getting upset over rumors and agent spin.

 

[Ender]

Who turned on Barber? He's not a 300+ carry top 5 back. So he shouldn't get paid that way.

Well you do know only six backs had over 300 carriers last season. That doesn't mean he's not worth 40 mill. If he signs a 6 year 40 mil deal, with a 15 mil signing bonus, and about 25 guaranteed he still will only be making about 5 to 6 mil a year. So whats the problem. A lot of you are just i a rush to see these draft picks play.

 

[theogt]

Well you do know only six backs had over 300 carriers last season. That doesn't mean he's not worth 40 mill. If he signs a 6 year 40 mil deal, with a 15 mil signing bonus, and about 25 guaranteed he still will only be making about 5 to 6 mil a year. So whats the problem. A lot of you are just i a rush to see these draft picks play.

As long as we're talking about monopoly money with no cap implications, go right ahead. Might as well give him 60 million. By the way, how many RBs have $40 million contracts in this league? And how many of those that do have those types of contracts have never carried the ball full-time?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well you do know only six backs had over 300 carriers last season. That doesn't mean he's not worth 40 mill. If he signs a 6 year 40 mil deal, with a 15 mil signing bonus, and about 25 guaranteed he still will only be making about 5 to 6 mil a year. So whats the problem. A lot of you are just i a rush to see these draft picks play.

The trouble is that he's not a 250 carry back either.


Last year the Cowboys had about 419 carries, with Romo getting 30 of those. Let's figure they have 440 carries this year, and again Romo has 30.

That leaves 410 carries left. Barber had what a little over 200 carries last year?

Make no mistake Felix Jones will get carries... I'd figure 10 per game. That leaves 250 carries.

Choice? He's going to get some carries himself. Let's figure 50.

That's 200 left over.

I just can't see Barber getting to the 250 carry mark. And a 200 carry per year back isn't worth a $40 mil contract.

 

[Eskimo]

I think some people are taking the Barber thing too personally - they have become more attached to the player than to the team. Every dollar Barber comes out of another teammate's pocket. That is the issue with an asking price way over what would be market value for a RB who is going to have major longevity issues, has never rushed for 1000 yards and has started 3 games.

The initial offer of 5 years $30M is very generous for what Barber has accomplished. By not accepting it, he is putting himself ahead of the team. It is not like the FO is trying to lowball him.

 

[Ender]

As long as we're talking about monopoly money with no cap implications, go right ahead. Might as well give him 60 million. By the way, how many RBs have $40 million contracts in this league? And how many of those that do have those types of contracts have never carried the ball full-time?

Well, lmao, as of 2005 these where the highest paid Backs in the League

Rudi Johnson: $10,250,000

Edgerrin James: $9,081,000

Kevan Barlow: $8,131,400

Deuce McAllister: $7,650,000

LaMont Jordan: $7,550,000

Brian Westbrook: $7,430,770

Shaun Alexander: $6,323,000

Tiki Barber: $6,003,960

Cedric Benson: $5,670,000/0TD's

Domanick Davis: $5,384,400


Barber is better than half the players on this list. Now, if you think his not worth 5 to 6 million a year your either crazy or not realistic about how the salary cap works. Since 05, back like Reggie Bush, Laurence Maroney
and Marshawn Lynch have gotten deal some where in that range. Now if you dont think Barber is better then some of these backs, then well thats just your opinion.

But the point im trying to make here is that 5 to 6 million isn't that big of a cap hit for his production. Now let him go and these backs we drafted turn out to be bust then we will be back at square one. Because if we dont sign him, he will sign some where for about 40 50 mill anyway. Thats just his value right now.

 

[TheCount]

This is funny, you guys need to stop watching youtube videos of these prospects. And i say Prospect because thats what they are. Chocie hasnt gain a first down, hasnt even been through his first training camp and you are ready to let Barber( A guy who eveyrone loved fr the last couple of seasons) go. Thats just terrible. How about we wait to see how things turnout with barbers contract situation first.

Well put.

Well, lmao, as of 2005 these where the highest paid Backs in the League

Rudi Johnson: $10,250,000

Edgerrin James: $9,081,000

Kevan Barlow: $8,131,400

Deuce McAllister: $7,650,000

LaMont Jordan: $7,550,000

Brian Westbrook: $7,430,770

Shaun Alexander: $6,323,000

Tiki Barber: $6,003,960

Cedric Benson: $5,670,000/0TD's

Domanick Davis: $5,384,400

Well that has got to be embarrasing to some people.

 

[Ender]

The trouble is that he's not a 250 carry back either.


Last year the Cowboys had about 419 carries, with Romo getting 30 of those. Let's figure they have 440 carries this year, and again Romo has 30.

That leaves 410 carries left. Barber had what a little over 200 carries last year?

Make no mistake Felix Jones will get carries... I'd figure 10 per game. That leaves 250 carries.

Choice? He's going to get some carries himself. Let's figure 50.

That's 200 left over.

I just can't see Barber getting to the 250 carry mark. And a 200 carry per year back isn't worth a $40 mil contract.

Please, giving him 3 more carriers a game would have giving him about 250 carriers, so please cut that out.

 

[Wolfpack]

Why? Both backs have totaled zero yards, and could be busts. If I'm the agent, I continue as before - negotiate the best deal possible. He may not get 40 to 60 million, but he'll likely do better that the 30 million Dallas is offering.

Everyone should chill and let the negotiations complete. No sense in getting upset over rumors and agent spin.

Thats the game. Dallas had no backs that could be better than Marion last week. Now they have two, who by the way were drafted as high if not higher than Barber.

Last week, Barber had all the cards. This week, its at least even. Thats big in the world of Drew Superagent guy.

 

[theogt]

Well, lmao, as of 2005 these where the highest paid Backs in the League

Rudi Johnson: $10,250,000

Edgerrin James: $9,081,000

Kevan Barlow: $8,131,400

Deuce McAllister: $7,650,000

LaMont Jordan: $7,550,000

Brian Westbrook: $7,430,770

Shaun Alexander: $6,323,000

Tiki Barber: $6,003,960

Cedric Benson: $5,670,000/0TD's

Domanick Davis: $5,384,400


Barber is better than half the players on this list. Now, if you think his not worth 5 to 6 million a year your either crazy or not realistic about how the salary cap works. Since 05, back like Reggie Bush, Laurence Maroney
and Marshawn Lynch have gotten deal some where in that range. Now if you dont think Barber is better then some of these backs, then well thats just your opinion.

But the point im trying to make here is that 5 to 6 million isn't that big of a cap hit for his production. Now let him go and these backs we drafted turn out to be bust then we will be back at square one. Because if we dont sign him, he will sign some where for about 40 50 mill anyway. Thats just his value right now.

AGAIN, HOW MANY RUNNING BACKS HAVE $40+ MILLION CONTRACTS IN THE NFL? HOW MANY?

ONE? FIVE? HOW MANY?

By the way, Marshawn Lynch's contract was for 6 years $19 million. Maroney's was 5 year 8.7 million. So, no neither was even close.

 

[Ender]

I think some people are taking the Barber thing too personally - they have become more attached to the player than to the team. Every dollar Barber comes out of another teammate's pocket. That is the issue with an asking price way over what would be market value for a RB who is going to have major longevity issues, has never rushed for 1000 yards and has started 3 games.

The initial offer of 5 years $30M is very generous for what Barber has accomplished. By not accepting it, he is putting himself ahead of the team. It is not like the FO is trying to lowball him.

If he where to get 5 years 30 million and see all 30 million it would be a good contract, thats 5 million a year. But hes not going to see all that, and NFL contract are on a pay elevating pay scale. Which means if he does get hurt say year two of his contract, he's probably only making 2 mill that season. Thats why he didnt sign it, because he is getting low balled right now. Thats a terrible contract, he would be an idiot to sign it.

 

[TheCount]

By the way, Marshawn Lynch's contract was for 6 years $19 million. Maroney's was 5 year 8.7 million. So, no neither was even close.

That'll happen when you're a rookie. Barber isn't a rookie anymore.

For all the people that say rookies get insane contracts for having done no work, it's funny so many people are against paying a guy that has paid his dues and kept his mouth shut.