How would you handle the Barber situation?

[theogt]

That'll happen when you're a rookie. Barber isn't a rookie anymore.

For all the people that say rookies get insane contracts for having done no work, it's funny so many people are against paying a guy that has paid his dues and kept his mouth shut.

How many RBs in this league have contracts over $40 million? Any idea?

 

[TheCount]

How many RBs in this league have contracts over $40 million? Any idea?

You've got Google, look it up if it's so important to you.

I've said he should get 30-36 million, and he's earned it. 40-60 is too much.

 

[Ender]

AGAIN, HOW MANY RUNNING BACKS HAVE $40+ MILLION CONTRACTS IN THE NFL? HOW MANY?

ONE? FIVE? HOW MANY?

By the way, Marshawn Lynch's contract was for 6 years $19 million. Maroney's was 5 year 8.7 million. So, no neither was even close.

Your right, but your missing the point of guaranteed money. IF he signs a 5 year 30 million dollar contract how much is guaranteed and how much of a signing bonus.

Lynch Contract is 6 ears 19 million, but he got a 10 million bonus. So that make is a 6 year contract around 30 mill for a rookie. And you think Barber, a probowler, is going to except a similar contract. I doubt it.

 

[wileedog]

The trouble is that he's not a 250 carry back either.


Last year the Cowboys had about 419 carries, with Romo getting 30 of those. Let's figure they have 440 carries this year, and again Romo has 30.

That leaves 410 carries left. Barber had what a little over 200 carries last year?

Make no mistake Felix Jones will get carries... I'd figure 10 per game. That leaves 250 carries.

Choice? He's going to get some carries himself. Let's figure 50.

That's 200 left over.

I just can't see Barber getting to the 250 carry mark. And a 200 carry per year back isn't worth a $40 mil contract.

Even if he got 300, his style is not conducive to 5 productive years through 1500 carries.

I like him but he's not L.T. or good Larry Johnson. Someone is getting bad advice from their agent.

 

[theogt]

I've said he should get 30-36 million, and he's earned it. 40-60 is too much.

Glad that we agree.

 

[Eskimo]

If he where to get 5 years 30 million and see all 30 million it would be a good contract, thats 5 million a year. But hes not going to see all that, and NFL contract are on a pay elevating pay scale. Which means if he does get hurt say year two of his contract, he's probably only making 2 mill that season. Thats why he didnt sign it, because he is getting low balled right now. Thats a terrible contract, he would be an idiot to sign it.

It is $6M/yr with probably about $12M guanteed (typically about 40% of the contract is guaranteed). Why would he not see all of the money? He would only be short if he ends up playing poorly or suffers a major injury. That is the nauture of pro football.

Barber is taking a risk in playing out the tender which is only $2.5M. If he gets injured next year, he may have missed his chance at becoming majorly rich. That is the risk he is taking.

 

[theogt]

Your right, but your missing the point of guaranteed money. IF he signs a 5 year 30 million dollar contract how much is guaranteed and how much of a signing bonus.

Actually your point had nothing to do with guaranteed money. You wanted to give him 40+ million.

Barber's 24 with very little wear and tear from his rookie contract and college. If he gets a 5 or 6 year contract, he's going to be here for all of it unless he has a career ending injury, which isn't likely. The amount guaranteed is really of no consequence as he's most likely going to see it all.

Lynch Contract is 6 ears 19 million, but he got a 10 million bonus. So that make is a 6 year contract around 30 mill for a rookie. And you think Barber, a probowler, is going to except a similar contract. I doubt it.

Uh...no. It means he gets 19 million over the 6 years. He got a 3 million bonus and that 3 million is included in the 19 million total.

 

[Achozen]

We should get the Wolf on the phone.

 

[Ender]

Actually your point had nothing to do with guaranteed money. You wanted to give him 40+ million.

Barber's 24 with very little wear and tear from his rookie contract and college. If he gets a 5 or 6 year contract, he's going to be here for all of it unless he has a career ending injury, which isn't likely. The amount guaranteed is really of no consequence as he's most likely going to see it all.

Uh...no. It means he gets 19 million over the 6 years. He got a 3 million bonus and that 3 million is included in the 19 million total.

First of all i doubt he would see it all, Most players never get all of the money negotiated in their contract in the NFL. A lot of its incentive performance based. But if he does see all of the money, then i dont see the problem because that means he was likely killing (as we say in Watts) on the football field, so... Whats your point.

yea i would give him 40 million. I wouldn't even offered him less than 40 million. Because the way nfl contract are structured he probably wouldn't get all 40 million. And it probably would only cont about 5 to 6 million, max 7 million on the salary cap. I dont see why all of a sudden the Cowboys wouldnt want to cough up another 2 million.

And for all the people saying he needs to take a pay cut for the team stop it. If any thing, Romo should restructure his contract so we can have more cap room.

 

[theogt]

First of all i doubt he would see it all, Most players never get all of the money negotiated in their contract in the NFL. A lot of its incentive performance based.

I'm sure most pro bowl 24 year olds get to see most of their conctracts.

But if he does see all of the money, then i dont see the problem because that means he was likely killing (as we say in Watts) on the football field, so... Whats your point.

yea i would give him 40 million. I wouldn't even offered him less than 40 million. Because the way nfl contract are structured he probably wouldn't get all 40 million. And it probably would only cont about 5 to 6 million, max 7 million on the salary cap. I dont see why all of a sudden the Cowboys wouldnt want to cough up another 2 million.

And for all the people saying he needs to take a pay cut for the team stop it. If any thing, Romo should restructure his contract so we can have more cap room.

Again, how many RBs have $40 million contracts?

How many?

Why pay someone more than what the market calls for? Just for ****s & grins?

 

[Vinnie2u]

He'll get a contract in the middle of what he wants and what Jerry offers. The contract will be backloaded and he won't see the end of it..

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I've said he should get 30-36 million, and he's earned it. 40-60 is too much.

How has he earned it? Seriously. He hasn't even been the lead back for one season yet!

I think you could make a great argument that Chris Canty has earned it more. At least you've seen him start for two full seasons. We don't even know if Barber can do it.

As said above, he's popular and fun to watch. But that doesn't really mean anything.

yea i would give him 40 million. I wouldn't even offered him less than 40 million.

Nice to see that Marion posts on the board.

 

[superpunk]

Pay the man. He brings so much energy and determination to the team. Seems like we have alot of game-quitters on the team, some of which we've already extended (imo). Marion's not one of them. Offer him a fair deal, something a little better than what Turner got. Offer it to him after this season. If he takes it - marvelous. if he doesn't, we've protected ourselves with Choice and Jones - Choice imo could be a starter similar to Barber, if not as magnificent to watch.

Make every effort to keep him on the team. He's a keeper for sure. I'm sure our cap situation will be vastly different next season, maybe even more favorable if we can unload some of these high contract numbers. I don't know who specifically. Maybe (unfortunately) Roy Williams. Maybe (again unfortunately, but this time just because he plays so good when he's healthy) Anthony Henry. Maybe (unfotunately) Terrell Owens.

Those are all players that we might let go, so that we can sign players like Marion, Canty, Ware, and Newman, and maybe go after someone like Roy Williams. That would be my preliminary offseason plan.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

They are offering something like a Turner contract, but he wants more:

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/041708dnspocowdate.3a2b5a2.html

But Rosenhaus' request that Barber receive a contract similar to some of the top running backs in the game caught the Cowboys somewhat by surprise, the sources said.

Barber's asking price is comparable to deals given to Kansas City running back Larry Johnson (five years, $43.2 million), Washington's Clinton Portis (eight years, $50.5 million) and San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson (six years, $60 million).

The Cowboys, according to the sources, believe the deal that free agent running back Michael Turner signed with Atlanta in March (six years, $34.5 million with $15 million in guarantees) is close to what Barber is worth.

Dallas is also willing to give Barber a contract close to what Baltimore gave Willis McGahee last year, a seven-year deal worth as much as $40.12 million, if the last two years of it are picked up.

 

[superpunk]

I already knew that.

I have a feeling it will go back and forth, with Rosenhaus asking for more and more, and Jerry not moving, until finally one of two things happens.

1. Barber goes out on the open market looking for that contract. Call me crazy, but he won't get it. He comes home for the money we offered.

2. Rosenhaus realizes the demands are pointless, Barber's comfortable with his role here, and they sign the reasonable deal up.

I don't think we'll reach a point where he leaves. If we reach that point, we've ALREADY protected ourselves against it.

I'm in love with Tashard Choice. He may save our franchise from a bad contract.

 

[Ender]

I'm sure most pro bowl 24 year olds get to see most of their conctracts.

Again, how many RBs have $40 million contracts?

How many?

Why pay someone more than what the market calls for? Just for ****s & grins?

No most 24 year olds dont see most of their contract unless the get al the performance bonuses. Like Romo signed a six-year, $67.5 million contract, with $31 million guaranteed. I doubt he get the who 67 million.

I guess i have to explain this better. Take Romo's contract for example. ^ years 67 million, that a little over 10 million a year. He wont make over 10 million a year unless he hits all his performance bonuses. Plus the contract is prbably structured so he makes more every year. MEaning, next year he makes 6 million the year after that 8 mill. You know some thing like that.

So if Barber gets a 5 year 30 million and all of its guaranteed, or he makes all of it like you suggest he will, then he makes 6 million a year. Now lets say he gets a contract for 5 years worth 45 million with a 10 million dollar signing bonus and 25 of it is guaranteed, then he really makeing about 5 million a year on average.

So like i said, a 5 year 30 million dollar contract doesnt mean he get the whole 30 million. And even if it did its almost the exact same thing as getting a 5 year 45 million dollar contract with performance incentives.

 

[Eskimo]

Pay the man. He brings so much energy and determination to the team. Seems like we have alot of game-quitters on the team, some of which we've already extended (imo). Marion's not one of them. Offer him a fair deal, something a little better than what Turner got. Offer it to him after this season. If he takes it - marvelous. if he doesn't, we've protected ourselves with Choice and Jones - Choice imo could be a starter similar to Barber, if not as magnificent to watch.

Make every effort to keep him on the team. He's a keeper for sure. I'm sure our cap situation will be vastly different next season, maybe even more favorable if we can unload some of these high contract numbers. I don't know who specifically. Maybe (unfortunately) Roy Williams. Maybe (again unfortunately, but this time just because he plays so good when he's healthy) Anthony Henry. Maybe (unfotunately) Terrell Owens.

Those are all players that we might let go, so that we can sign players like Marion, Canty, Ware, and Newman, and maybe go after someone like Roy Williams. That would be my preliminary offseason plan.

Just because other people make a foolish decision doesn't mean we should. At the end of the day, the decision is how much better this team is by paying Barber the money versus letting him leave and use the money elsewhere. If the money is better utilized elsewhere because Choice and Jones prove themselves of taking over Barber's carries then letting Barber walk may be a wise decision in a cap era.

Not all of the 13 pro bowlers can get market value contracts - choices will have to be made about how to spend cap dollars so long as a cap is in place. For years, Indianapolis has been letting some players go while keeping their perceived core in place (Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney). We will be faced with the same decision and perhaps as they let Edge go and brought in Addai, maybe we will decide for similar reasons to let Barber go and give the job to Jones/Choice because there is not much of a dropoff.

Barber will get paid if he stays healthy and productive. If he is insistent on pushing things, he will likely be paid elsewhere.

As it stands right now, no way we should pay Barber without seeing him put up elite back numbers for a good 10 games this season. We would only be bidding against ourselves for a somewhat unknown commodity. If he comes down to Earth as a lead back, the contract he is offered may drop.

 

[Eskimo]

No most 24 year olds dont see most of their contract unless the get al the performance bonuses. Like Romo signed a six-year, $67.5 million contract, with $31 million guaranteed. I doubt he get the who 67 million.

I guess i have to explain this better. Take Romo's contract for example. ^ years 67 million, that a little over 10 million a year. He wont make over 10 million a year unless he hits all his performance bonuses. Plus the contract is prbably structured so he makes more every year. MEaning, next year he makes 6 million the year after that 8 mill. You know some thing like that.

So if Barber gets a 5 year 30 million and all of its guaranteed, or he makes all of it like you suggest he will, then he makes 6 million a year. Now lets say he gets a contract for 5 years worth 45 million with a 10 million dollar signing bonus and 25 of it is guaranteed, then he really makeing about 5 million a year on average.

So like i said, a 5 year 30 million dollar contract doesnt mean he get the whole 30 million. And even if it did its almost the exact same thing as getting a 5 year 45 million dollar contract with performance incentives.

It is usually the rookies who have contracts with lots of escalator clauses in contracts that often never come to fruition. I don't think that is typically the case in most veteran Pro Bowler contracts. There may be some performance incentives but they are usually not so dramatic.

 

[theogt]

No most 24 year olds dont see most of their contract unless the get al the performance bonuses. Like Romo signed a six-year, $67.5 million contract, with $31 million guaranteed. I doubt he get the who 67 million.

Romo will almost certainly see all 67 million. QBs rarely have career ending injuries.

I guess i have to explain this better. Take Romo's contract for example. ^ years 67 million, that a little over 10 million a year. He wont make over 10 million a year unless he hits all his performance bonuses. Plus the contract is prbably structured so he makes more every year. MEaning, next year he makes 6 million the year after that 8 mill. You know some thing like that.

I'm not aware of any significant performance bonuses in his contract.

So if Barber gets a 5 year 30 million and all of its guaranteed, or he makes all of it like you suggest he will, then he makes 6 million a year. Now lets say he gets a contract for 5 years worth 45 million with a 10 million dollar signing bonus and 25 of it is guaranteed, then he really makeing about 5 million a year on average.

No, if he plays out his contract in your scenario, he'll get $9 million per year.

So like i said, a 5 year 30 million dollar contract doesnt mean he get the whole 30 million. And even if it did its almost the exact same thing as getting a 5 year 45 million dollar contract with performance incentives.

Yes, it does mean he'll get all $30 million. Unless we cut him or he retires. Veterans rarely have a significant amount of their contract based on performance.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So, we've locked him up for 2008 and drafted a guy to complement him (Jones) and another guy who is a lot like him (Choice), at least in terms of heart and determination.

I don't think we need to redo Barber's contract until we see what the rookies can do in TC and early in the season. We may not need to resign him if they both turn out well, or at least we'll have more leverage in our negotiations.

Does anyone see a need to go ahead and try and sign him in the near term or would you wait and see how the 08 season transpires before you worrry about it?

Excellent post.
Yes, most want to see what the rookies can do before spending a good deal of the cap on Barber. MB was good the past two seasons. But he was not elite.
Hey . . . what does man boobs in Miami have re players that we might need if Jones and Choice proved the real deals and Barber were shipped to Miami?
Anything is possible with Jerra.