How would you handle the Barber situation?

[Eskimo]

Excellent post.
Yes, most want to see what the rookies can do before spending a good deal of the cap on Barber. MB was good the past two seasons. But he was not elite.
Hey . . . what does man boobs in Miami have re players that we might need if Jones and Choice proved the real deals and Barber were shipped to Miami?
Anything is possible with Jerra.

Only problem with sending Barber to Miami is they already have Ronnie Brown. Otherwise, they would have been natural trading partners and sure would love to get a shot at their 1st rounder next year.

 

[Ender]

I think i came to this forum giving you all to much credit. LMAO at comments like "Romo will see most of that 67 million" that hilarious, i gues i landed among a bunch of fortune tellers, who've mistaking NFL contract with NBA. Romo gets 67 million and 31 guaranteed and you think he gets all that money. SMH. im done with this conversation.

 

[Eskimo]

I think i came to this forum giving you all to much credit. LMAO at comments like "Romo will see most of that 67 million" that hilarious, i gues i landed among a bunch of fortune tellers, who've mistaking NFL contract with NBA. Romo gets 67 million and 31 guaranteed and you think he gets all that money. SMH. im done with this conversation.

The guaranteed part refers to bonuses and salary that the team has guaranteed. Most contracts are set up as multiple one-year deals. Unless he is cut he will earn the $67 million, believe it or not. The guaranteed part means that even if he has a career-ending injury tomorrow, he will get $31M from the Cowboys.

 

[theogt]

I think i came to this forum giving you all to much credit. LMAO at comments like "Romo will see most of that 67 million" that hilarious, i gues i landed among a bunch of fortune tellers, who've mistaking NFL contract with NBA. Romo gets 67 million and 31 guaranteed and you think he gets all that money. SMH. im done with this conversation.

I don't think you quite understand how NFL contracts work. Incentive-laden contracts are pretty rare for healthy, non-malcontent veterans. The only thing preventing guys from getting their full contract value are serious injuries or serious underperformance, neither of which is likely to happy to Romo.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Please, giving him 3 more carriers a game would have giving him about 250 carriers, so please cut that out.

And who are you going to take those carries from?

You going to take them away from Jones? I don't think so.

I only gave Choice 50 carries-- that's 3 per game-- essentially a couple series' worth. I don't think that's unreasonable either.

This is Jason Garrett running this offense-- they aren't going to have a 500 carry season.

You just can't give out carries that don't exist.

From my perspective-- Barber is about a 200 carry back in this offense.

 

[Sarge]

I would work out a deal asap. I would pay him and be happy we have an abundance of young talent at one position.

Agreed, but it all depends, obviously, on the numbers and that is the bottom line........one thing for certain, Barber has a LOT less leverage than he had a week ago.

 

[BulletBob]

Judging by the timing on the Romo deal, I'd suggest that Jerry will probably wait until we are well into the season (and he sees how Barber, Jones, and Choice are performing) to revisit the deal.

I think that Jerry figured he would offer Marion and Drew a Michael Turner type deal, because that is the type value Jerry & Co. perceive that MBIII brings to the table.

Rosenhaus countered that his client's perceived value that he brings to the table is more like Larry Johnson or LT.

Jerry is making the smart business move. He's giving MBIII the opportunity to prove that MBIII's perception is reality versus Jerry's perception. Jerry has proven in the past that he is willing to open his wallet if the player can clearly demonstrate value (again, he followed this path with Romo).

This change in perception can only be realized by watching the season play out some.

If any of these three RBs tanks or gets hurt, it changes the negotiating leverage dramatically.

The baseline is currently the Michael Turner deal. If that is to change, Jerry needs more info to justify a higher investment ...

I say don't hold your breath for a higher priced deal for MBIII any time soon.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

According to Rosenhaus, the $30 million+ offer was never made. I doubt Rosenhaus is lying about it since he has little reason to lie about that and when asked about other offers made to other clients he would say something to the affect that an offer was made and was for around the type of money that was being questioned about.

With that, my guess is that Jerry is going to play the Barber situation out like he did Romo's contract and if Barber is healthy and plays well, he'll probably get a little more than what Turner got because he's made the Pro Bowl whereas Turner didn't, but is still splitting the carries.




YAKUZA

 

[big dog cowboy]

one thing for certain, Barber has a LOT less leverage than he had a week ago.

:fact:

 

[Doomsday101]

Dallas has time to get a deal done. I feel confident that both sides will come to an agreement some where down the road.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Dallas has time to get a deal done. I feel confident that both sides will come to an agreement some where down the road.

This is true. And they could possibly franchise him in '09.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is true. And they could possibly franchise him in '09.

I think Dallas will get something longer term done with him. I never held it aginst Emmitt when he was looking for a deal with the Cowboys and I don't hold it aginst Barber. I don't think Barber will get exactly what his agent is looking for but I think in the end Jerry and Marion will come to an agreement.

 

[visionary]

take the deal off the table
let MBIII play out the year on the tender as the starter
if he can handle the load and felix/choice dont show well, re-sign MBIII
if he is OK but felix/choice show well, let him walk

just my .02

 

[starfrombirth]

This is funny, you guys need to stop watching youtube videos of these prospects. And i say Prospect because thats what they are. Chocie hasnt gain a first down, hasnt even been through his first training camp and you are ready to let Barber( A guy who eveyrone loved fr the last couple of seasons) go. Thats just terrible. How about we wait to see how things turnout with barbers contract situation first.

Like i said, we need to have him signed before the seasons starts, or at least early in the season. Because if he is on his way to another pro bowl year chances are he wont resign. Remember, we a lot of teams would pay top dollars for Barber. The best thing to do is to get a deal done because we don't know how things will work out with these other two, Barbers proven.

You all, should be ashamed of your selves for turning on Barber so quickly. Terrible, Choice and Jones. To PROSPECTS, who haven't even played a down. And there have been better prospect than these two who turn out to be complete bust.

I think your confusing not wanting to cripple ourselves with the salary cap and not liking Barber. For the most part we love the guy but he is not a GREAT rb. Paying MBIII that kind of money means we wont be able to keep either Newman, Canty, or DWare. How do you feel about that? Which one of them do you want to lose or do you think we can pay them whatever they want as well and to heck with that little thing called a "salary cap"? :starspin

 

[MichaelWinicki]

take the deal off the table
let MBIII play out the year on the tender as the starter
if he can handle the load and felix/choice dont show well, re-sign MBIII
if he is OK but felix/choice show well, let him walk

just my .02

Barber
Hamlin
Canty
Newman
Tank Johnson
Colombo
Ware
Spears

Under a cap system we can't afford everyone. Someone's going to have to be let go.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

So, we've locked him up for 2008 and drafted a guy to complement him (Jones) and another guy who is a lot like him (Choice), at least in terms of heart and determination.

I don't think we need to redo Barber's contract until we see what the rookies can do in TC and early in the season. We may not need to resign him if they both turn out well, or at least we'll have more leverage in our negotiations.

Does anyone see a need to go ahead and try and sign him in the near term or would you wait and see how the 08 season transpires before you worrry about it?

If we would have drafted Mendenhall we wouldn't be forced to sign him long term. Now jerrys going to end up over paying for him. I don't see how tashard Choice is anything like barber he was a featured back in college.

 

[TheCount]

Barber
Hamlin
Canty
Newman
Tank Johnson
Colombo
Ware
Spears

Under a cap system we can't afford everyone. Someone's going to have to be let go.

And Barber is the most logical to let go on that list?

 

[Big Country]

Everybody on this thread that says cut him... I just don't think they realize how valuable he really is...

He is a TD machine... It is a stupid idea to lose him!!!

PAY the man...

I don't give a crap if he wants 90 million!!! PAY HIM!

The sat and cable bills are going to keep going up anyway!

 

[Doomsday101]

Everybody on this thread that says cut him... I just don't think they realize how valuable he really is...

He is a TD machine... It is a stupid idea to lose him!!!

PAY the man...

I don't give a crap if he wants 90 million!!! PAY HIM!

The sat and cable bills are going to keep going up anyway!

I would not go that far but I do think we will get him signed. I think Barber is a spark plug for this offense and I think his attitude he plays with rubs off on the rest of the unit. Right now we are just seeing negotiation taking place so expect some back and forth between the 2 parties until something is hammered out. This is not personal it is just business.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And Barber is the most logical to let go on that list?

No, not necessarily.

But it illustrates the point that for these guys to find a place on this team they'll have to fit in to the tight salary constraints. Romo could have received more on the open market, but he elected to take a little less in order to stay on this team and not cripple it with a salary that wasn't cap/team friendly.

Barber needs to follow Romo's lead.

As does Newman/Hamlin/Canty and the rest.