Howie: middle of NFL curve worse than taking risk and failing

[khiladi]

Youth also plays a factor in guys like Howie Roseman. They still ready to learn from their mistakes as well.

But Hurts is not good. If they give him a huge contract, good for us..

 

[khiladi]

"Hahahaha, 8Billion vs 4.9Bilion. That's a good one Howie! " - Jerrah

	Rank	Team	Current Value	1-Yr Value Change	Debt/Value	Revenue	Operating Income
	#1	Dallas Cowboys	$8 B	23%	4%	$1.087 B	$466 M
	#2	New England Patriots	$6.4 B	28%	3%	$651 M	$231 M
	#3	Los Angeles Rams	$6.2 B	29%	51%	$628 M	$203 M
	#4	New York Giants	$6 B	24%	8%	$584 M	$178 M
	#5	Chicago Bears	$5.8 B	42%	2%	$520 M	$156 M
	#6	Washington Commanders	$5.6 B	33%	13%	$544 M	$130 M
	#7	New York Jets	$5.4 B	33%	10%	$519 M	$136 M
	#8	San Francisco 49ers	$5.2 B	25%	5%	$575 M	$142 M
	#9	Las Vegas Raiders	$5.1 B	49%	25%	$563 M	$116 M
	#10	Philadelphia Eagles	$4.9 B	29%	4%	$547 M	$145 M

Howie doesn’t own the team, so he doesn’t care. He’s the GM who gets paid a salary working far a team.

 

[ConstantReboot]

People just love Jerry. Just ask Giants, Commanders and Eagles fans. He is the sole reason why we can't get to the superbowl. He is happy just winning a game or two in the playoffs - then firing a few coaches as scapegoats for good measure. Him and his son is a curse to the Cowboys. When it comes to winning the superbowl I'm all in. Because we ain't going no where with what these two Jones clowns are doing.

 

[Zman5]

Howie doesn’t care as he’s the GM, not the owner.

The way the Jones boys have operated last 30 years, Jerry doesn't care what Howie has to say as long as he is making money.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You're unlikely to hit rock bottom. The league rewards rock bottom teams, not middling teams. The worst record you could have in this league is around .500

Exactly.............you either want to be really good or really bad, the worse thing in the world is going 8-8 every season.

Looking at you Jason Garrett.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We have become, in NBA terms, a good treadmill team. Good enough to make the playoffs, good enough to maybe win a series (game), and that’s the ceiling teams like that can’t break through. Dallas Cowboys, Buffalo Bills, Philadelphia 76ers, Denver Nuggets…we are all the same. In both leagues you can make the bold move and fail—Denver Broncos, Brooklyn Nets—or make the bold move and win—L.A. Rams, Toronto Raptors. I’d rather try and win then walk the treadmill of hope that something good happens.

Speaking of making a bold move, Luka and Kyrie together. At least one Dallas team will take a chance. I don’t think it will work, but at least the Mavs are trying, knowing that Luka needs help.

Maybe Mark Cuban can help Jerry find his balls again..........Yeah, the Kyrie deal might blow up in Cuban's face, but at least he swung for the fences.

Jerry is just happy to advance the runner to the next base.

 

[exciter]

Roseman has built a possible dynasty in Philly and they will own the division for several years.

If Jerry was smart he’d back off the next couple years and let the bad contracts fall off. By the time we can rebuild the Eagles will start slowing down.

Lol, 11 starters on that team are FAs and that doesn’t include several key backups. 4 of those FAs add up to a 34m cap hit next year. 3 of them are over 30. They have 100m tied up in a WR whose only played a full season once. One corner is 32 and showing signs of decline.. the other is a FA (6m cap hit)… which one they keep. They have 5 total draft picks 2 1st, 2 7th. There looking at a 250m contract for their QB coming up.., but yeah… dynasty!

 

[Sarge]

Roseman has built a possible dynasty in Philly and they will own the division for several years.

If Jerry was smart he’d back off the next couple years and let the bad contracts fall off. By the time we can rebuild the Eagles will start slowing down.

“…if Jerry was smart….”……….

 

[EversonIWasAYoungBoy]

Jerry never said he liked being in the middle. He liked being in the hunt every year. The middle is 9-8 every year and drafting 18th. Dallas is in the 80th percentile the last 2 years but there is a big gap to get over the hump.

“The last 2 years”

Now do the last 25

 

[DZSierra]

Lol, 11 starters on that team are FAs and that doesn’t include several key backups. 4 of those FAs add up to a 34m cap hit next year. 3 of them are over 30. They have 100m tied up in a WR whose only played a full season once. One corner is 32 and showing signs of decline.. the other is a FA (6m cap hit)… which one they keep. They have 5 total draft picks 2 1st, 2 7th. There looking at a 250m contract for their QB coming up.., but yeah… dynasty!

The reality is with the pay scale the for players today vs even 20 years ago, it's almost impossible to keep key GREAT players every single year to maintain the same Super Bowl caliber team.

Smart players will work their contract to help their team over time because they know they are on a great team. The five highest paid QB's right now? Matthew Stafford, Russell Wilson, Josh Allen, D Watson, Aaron Rogers.

 

[jazzcat22]

Roseman has built a possible dynasty in Philly and they will own the division for several years.

If Jerry was smart he’d back off the next couple years and let the bad contracts fall off. By the time we can rebuild the Eagles will start slowing down.

Dynasty? With all the FA's they have coming up as well as aging players. Do you really think they will keep the team together? They may very well be the Rams this next season and be lucky to win 8 games.
I know we have a lot of Eagles fans and envy on here. They did a great job building the team this season. But I will not say dynasty yet.

 

[EJK24]

That's an unfair question. If you can just guarantee a SB followed by garbage for years, I think most people would take it. But a better question would be having a 20% chance to win every year for 5 years, or a 40% chance of winning one years followed by 5% chance of winning for the following 4 years. There is no guarantee that an 'all in' gets you anywhere near a SB run.

I totally get it. Nothing is a guarantee. I also feel like if you've been doing something a certain way and not getting the desired results, it's probably time for a change. This long term plan, managing the cap for the future, never being players in FA, what has it really gotten us? We've had winning seasons but is having a winning record that never amounts to post season success really worth it?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Just me but you can accomplish this "all-in" thing three ways ........ draft, free agency or BOTH. From a draft perspective, several teams have had boatloads of high draft picks and have little or nothing to show. As for the free agent route, look at the Rams, yes they got a Super out of it but they are a mess now. What about the Giants spending over $200M+ going all-in on free agency a few years ago, only to see it fall apart?

But what makes the Eagle's template exceptional is Roseman has done it using BOTH free agency AND the draft but he also got lucky. Lucky that Watson and Russell Wilson refused to entertain any offers, otherwise Hurts is still on the bench and they have burned a boatload of capital.

 

[DZSierra]

But what makes the Eagle's template exceptional is Roseman has done it using BOTH free agency AND the draft but he also got lucky. Lucky that Watson and Russell Wilson refused to entertain any offers, otherwise Hurts is still on the bench and they have burned a boatload of capital.

The luck I see with the Eagles is that they were able to get rid of Wentz, and for the most part came out smelling like a rose.

I also never really thought of how many head coaches they have been through after Reid left, but for whatever reason, it seems like if you don't perform you don't last very long in that organization. I was surprised that they got rid of Penderson as quickly as they did since he was the only coach who won them a Super Bowl. After reading up on it, seems like the issue with Penderson was a coaching promotion on another guy that the FO didn't want to do, go figure...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wait until Jalen Hurts needs to get paid a new contract next year. He will demand around $50 million/year. That, along with several other big contracts on the team, will pretty much destroy this dreamy Eagles franchise idea.

So much for kissing up to the enemy.

they may or may not win a championship, but at least they are getting a chance.

and if they go through another down cycle, so be it. they gave Wentz one of the largest contracts at the time, traded him and now within a short few years are back in superbowl. who says they won't do the same with Hurts....

 

[mcmvp]

Just me but you can accomplish this "all-in" thing three ways ........ draft, free agency or BOTH. From a draft perspective, several teams have had boatloads of high draft picks and have little or nothing to show. As for the free agent route, look at the Rams, yes they got a Super out of it but they are a mess now. What about the Giants spending over $200M+ going all-in on free agency a few years ago, only to see it fall apart?

But what makes the Eagle's template exceptional is Roseman has done it using BOTH free agency AND the draft but he also got lucky. Lucky that Watson and Russell Wilson refused to entertain any offers, otherwise Hurts is still on the bench and they have burned a boatload of capital.

I think there’s a little bit of luck for all teams that reach the Super Bowl. Avoiding injuries to key players, etc..

You are right about Russell Wilson… Howie has always had a thing for him and I never understood why. Especially this last off-season. Too much of Russell Wilson’s game was dependent on his mobility. You don’t give up the farm for a mobile quarterback when he is 33 years old. Thank God that deal didn’t happen.

However, you are wrong about Deshaun Watson… The Eagles never really showed any interest there.

 

[America's Cowboy]

they may or may not win a championship, but at least they are getting a chance.

and if they go through another down cycle, so be it. they gave Wentz one of the largest contracts at the time, traded him and now within a short few years are back in superbowl. who says they won't do the same with Hurts....

Who cares? They had one of the easiest schedules this year, yet almost lost both times to us. They lucked out. With a harder schedule, I doubt they end up with the #1 rank heading into the playoffs, nor making it this far.

 

[Ken]

The best gm in the nfl explains quite simply his philosophy on the matter. While dumb and dumber are on record stating the exact opposite. One guy has his job on the line while the other two have the most valuable franchise label to hold up to. Quite simply put - this is the difference between the two franchises

Jerry literally last week. “I like being in the middle”

You can’t make this stuff up. You guys can draft, sign, trade, do whatever y’all want. Fire x coach and hire y. None of that will matter until somebody that knows what they are doing is in charge.

The Chiefs case is much weaker. Sorry, trading a star wr and having a strong rookie class is what we did too.

It worked for the Eagles....again. They still have to finish it. Everyone crowning them before the game is played.

For every Eagles....their is a Buffalo, Chargers, Denver, Cincy, Miami, etc....

That is the norm of "going all in"

 

[Cowboys93]

He’s completely right but Jerry has found a business model that absolutely rakes in dividends by being “just good enough” to compete but “not good enough” to win. Keeps fans coming back for the breakthrough. Kind of genius when you think about it objectively. Sucks for us who are emotionally attached, however.

 

[JBS]

The Chiefs case is much weaker. Sorry, trading a star wr and having a strong rookie class is what we did too.

It worked for the Eagles....again. They still have to finish it. Everyone crowning them before the game is played.

For every Eagles....their is a Buffalo, Chargers, Denver, Cincy, Miami, etc....

That is the norm of "going all in"

First of all the chiefs have Mahomes. Stop that comparison.

Secondly, even if Philly loses, it doesn’t matter. They’ve circled us 7x over since 95. So stop that.

There is also tb, sf, la rams, den that you mentioned won a ring..they’ve all pushed the chips in and have seen success. Sf hasn’t won a ring but they’ve been damn good

The bar for this team isn’t a ring. It’s getting to the conf champ game. All of those teams have done it multiple times except the new la rams , who have a ring