Hunkering down with a statistically brilliant QB who's a loser

[Arkyvarminter]

Yup, and see, stats aren't everything. Eli led his team to the playoffs and Romo is at home.. AGAIN. When Eli had pressure on him against the Cowboys this past Sunday, he delivered EVERY SINGLE TIME, either burning us in the air or running with the ball. When Romo had similar pressure he was running into his own guys, making bad throws, or taking sacks. At the end of the day.. Eli is the better QB.

Similar pressure??? They have Tuck, JPP, Osi, and kiwanuki...We have Ware.

 

[ufcrules1]

Every single time? :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

What about the Giants losses to Seattle, Philly, and Washington? He had 3 picks in each of those 3 losses. You're delusional if you think Eli is better.

What about them? Eli is in the playoffs and Romo is golfing because when it mattered, Eli led his team to victory.

Here are the stats from the game.

Eli, 346 yards passing, 3 td's no interceptions

Romo 289 yards passing, 2 td's 1 interception, one lost fumble and choked every time he had pressure.

 

[SDCowboy]

What about them? Eli is in the playoffs and Romo is golfing because when it mattered, Eli led his team to victory.

Here are the stats from the game.

Eli, 346 yards passing, 3 td's no interceptions

Romo 289 yards passing, 2 td's 1 interception, one lost fumble and choked every time he had pressure.

:laugh2:All right folks. Just let this thread die already.

 

[ufcrules1]

:laugh2:All right folks. Just let this thread die already.

I would say that is a good idea.. cause homers are just going to home all night long.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

What about them? Eli is in the playoffs and Romo is golfing because when it mattered, Eli led his team to victory.

Here are the stats from the game.

Eli, 346 yards passing, 3 td's no interceptions

Romo 289 yards passing, 2 td's 1 interception, one lost fumble and choked every time he had pressure.

Last time I checked Eli had time in the pocket and Romo didn't also last time I checked Eli wasn't playing hurt.

 

[Stautner]

You are trying to play both sides of the field. I know how you really feel though.
Be prepared for people to ask "In what way is Tony part of the problem?"

I'm not really trying to play both sides, I'm just not firmly in the Romo can't win like you are. I think he can, but the circumstances have to be right. My argument in this thread has always been more that we can't call Romo a great QB as things stand today, not that he is incapable of winning. Again, in the absence of team results there is doubt, and that goes with the territory. Same applies to Philip Rivers. The only way to overcome a lack of results is to have overwhelming stats, and as I have said in today's NFL where 4,000 yard seasons are no longer a rarity, and even 5,000 yard seasons are occurring, Romo's stats alone don't add up to greatness.

 

[ufcrules1]

Last time I checked Eli had time in the pocket and Romo didn't also last time I checked Eli wasn't playing hurt.

Oh boy... he were go with the excuses. Even Romo said he was completely fine.. but you are going to make excuses for him anyway.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Oh boy... he were go with the excuses. Even Romo said he was completely fine.. but you are going to make excuses for him anyway.

Of course he's gonna say that.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

ufcrules obviously doesn't believe in Romo. Romo has done things to make some think that way in the past but he did have a great year overall. One of the best in the league. I don't think I would compare Eli and Romo based on the last game since you really aren't making a fair comparison. Romo was running for his life while Eli was all alone in the backfield. If you give Romo the time Eli had we would have won that game even with a terrible D...

 

[ufcrules1]

I'm not really trying to play both sides, I'm just not firmly in the Romo can't win like you are. I think he can, but the circumstances have to be right. My argument in this thread has always been more that we can't call Romo a great QB as things stand today, not that he is incapable of winning. Again, in the absence of team results there is doubt, and that goes with the territory. Same applies to Philip Rivers. The only way to overcome a lack of results is to have overwhelming stats, and as I have said in today's NFL where 4,000 yard seasons are no longer a rarity, and even 5,000 yard seasons are occurring, Romo's stats alone don't add up to greatness.

Most QB's can win if the circumstances are right. Very few teams are going to be solid everywhere on the field. They are going to have weaknesses somewhere. Our offensive line was probably middle of the road this year and we still had problems putting up points against some mediocre teams....why? How does that happen when you have the receivers/TE/RB that Romo had? You are going to just blame the offensive line? Sure, if nobody could penetrate the offensive line, Romo would tear it up, but then again so could Grossman.

 

[ufcrules1]

ufcrules obviously doesn't believe in Romo. Romo has done things to make some think that way in the past but he did have a great year overall. One of the best in the league. I don't think I would compare Eli and Romo based on the last game since you really aren't making a fair comparison. Romo was running for his life while Eli was all alone in the backfield. If you give Romo the time Eli had we would have won that game even with a terrible D...

Eli is the better QB and he will go down in history that way too unless some miracle happens in Dallas. Romo will be remembered for choking when it counted with some decent stats. Eli will be remembered for winning a super bowl.

 

[proline]

I see by your 9000+ posts, you've posted alot. So how is it you take one of the top 3 players on the team, and declare him the issue?

Since Romo has started, he's been given an old Oline, a bad running game, and a horribly bad, unfixable defense. The only legit chance Romo has had is when they went 13-3 and lost to NY. NY went on the road and beat everybody including the undefeated Pats. If Crayton catches that pass, Romo may have been the only guy that could beat Eli that year.

But hey, you're right, it's Romo.

Romo has the 4th highest passer rating this year. 31-10 TD-INT ratio behind three rookies.

What he doesn't have, and has rarely had is a line that can give him time. Time like Eli had in his last game against Dallas, waiting forever to throw. When is the last time Romo could stand around and decide who to throw to? You go ahead and watch those guys and realize that if they a fraction of a second to throw, how good would they be? Maybe as good as Rogers was when he lost both tackles against the Chiefs. Then lost. Welcome to Tony's world Aaron.

Well while Jerra gets some corners who aren't puss's afraid to tackle, more than one pass rushing linebacker, two MLB's who aren't the slowest ones in the league, some Dlineman who can at least do one of the following; Rush the passer or stop the run.

I'll give another year to the offensive line that was on it's third undrafted rookie center, 2nd or 3rd rookie guard and a rookie tackle. I'm sure none of this really makes a difference though, right?

I've lived through Carter, Testeverde, Lief, Bledsoe, Stoerner....the list goes on and on. There are 26 teams out there that will give Romo a job tomorrow.

Be carefull what you wish for.

^ QFT ^


IMO, Romo is a "diamond surrounded by trash."

 

[5Stars]

QFT Romo is a "diamond surrounded by trash."

That was Emmitt Smith?

Diamonds and trash always confuse me.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Eli is the better QB and he will go down in history that way too unless some miracle happens in Dallas. Romo will be remembered for choking when it counted with some decent stats. Eli will be remembered for winning a super bowl.

In the past I have been hard on Romo but have learned that all the great QB's have bad games. I think Romo matured alot this year and carried the team. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't think Eli is as good as Romo, I just don't. Romo has better numbers but Eli has something even better. He has better playcalling, better Running backs, ours are always hurt, a better O line and a better head coach who has been there and done that. Lets face it, Eli just has a better supporting cast all the way around and thats why he has went farther than Romo up to this point.

 

[proline]

That was Emmitt Smith?

Diamonds and trash always confuse me.

Sorry. It was confusing the way I wrote it. I've revised it to try to clarify.

 

[5Stars]

Sorry. It was confusing the way I wrote it. I've revised it to try to clarify.

:laugh2:

(stupid cowboy fans)

 

[percyhoward]

For anyone who missed it before, the ENTIRE list of QB's who have had more seasons in the Top 8 in passer rating than Tony Romo:
1. Joe Montana (11) 1980-85, 87-90, 93
2. Fran Tarkenton (10) 1964, 67-70, 72-76
2. Peyton Manning (10) 1999-2000, 02-09
4. Sammy Baugh (9) 1937, 40-45, 47, 49
4. Dan Marino (9) 1983-87, 91-92, 94, 96
4. Brett Favre (9) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 07, 09
7. Johnny Unitas (8) 1956-59, 63-65, 67
7. Steve Young (8) 1991-98
9. Roger Staubach (7) 1971, 73, 75-79
10. Dan Fouts (6) 1978-83
10. Troy Aikman (6) 1991-95, 98

 

[Lodeus]

Romo is a bum of a QB and always will be. All the problems with this team are his fault and the dude should just be cut already. If Jerry and Jason had any brains they'd go for Matt Flynn since they didn't go for Kolb last year.



Anyways I agree with the "diamond surrounded by trash". And for those who say "Eli moves better in the pocket better" Really? He had to do so maybe once or twice a drive if that? Seemed Romo was dodging defenders half the time he hiked it.

 

[sacase]

Lissen, Blutto, it was Gimme here who was lamenting our secondary all during preseason and into the season.
To mention the secondary is a given. Any dummy (even you) can see that.

What I am addressing is a QB who has hero status throughout the season and is statistically brilliant yet lets us down ever time.

Let us stick to the issue at hand -- that be Romo, and not swerve onto already plowed land about the O line and the secondary and the lack of a defensive rush aside from Ware.

I hope yourn reading comprhension improves this coming year, Dome.

Romo didn't let us down, Newman and the offensive line to the left of Smith did.

 

[Bleu Star]

Mens, fellow travelers, cubicle dwellers, persons of interest and trappists monks:

I come to you with a heavy heart and mental holiday detritous. It's about the man known as Tony Romo.

Tony Romo has a resume that would make Danny White proud. He yawns at 300-plus passing days. He kin do it in his sleep.
He can take NFL teams to 9-7 repeatedly. His golf swing is a work in progress, but be assured he will be an average to almost good golf player on day.
But as to football, we now come to the awful realization, as determined by my furtile brain, that he's a loser in big games. He'll fumble. He'll throw picks. He'll mismanage the clock and take a sack while the Eli Mannings of the world elude them.
Face it: Tony Romo is a loser for us.
His fans will point to the Danny White stats. His detractors will say, yeah, but that don't make the long, Ingmar Bergman-type winters any less lonelier or any more fun.
A columnist the other day wrote some startling words the other day. In a nutshell, Manning and his ilk (including Aikman) all won their Super Bowls while in their mid to late 20s. Romo will be, what, 32, next season?
Time to annoint Romo the Danny White of our time. Only Danny had more personality, as strange as that may seem.
Time to say/admit that Romo will be the interim QB until we find a real QB like Brees, Rogers, Manning, etc.
Time to start roiling the waters of march to raise our voices that we need to draft a smart and tough and leader QB. Then see Romo age out at 35 and we start over.
The Romo era is over as we know it. You know it, I know, Bob Dole knows it.
No more Oh-Nos.
No more false hopes from a statistically brilliant QB who falls against the true giants of December.

I am going to refrain from my desire to fall in line and post yet another short appropriate witty response. Instead, I will try to respond on the straight & narrow.

I have been one of the biggest Romo detractors over the years leading up to the second half of last season. I have seen Romo go from the super talented goat to what we have in front of us today. That is a guy who has weathered many a storm with assaults originating both on the field and in the media circles. The guy is battle tested and has never once given up. I have said it before but it bears mention once more. Romo cannot do it alone. If he is asked to take the field and bail us out of every series with a miracle, he will fail. Hell... most starting QBs will fail at the thought of having to do what Romo does regularly. He makes it look easy and my guess is that we are going to one day look back at his tenure with heavy hearts when we do eventually part ways with him. Let me say it again.. If you rely on your QB to save the day practically every time he takes the field, you are setting your team up for failure. The key for us will be the continued development of that young oline along with the re-emergence of DeMarco next year (aka Balance). Compliment Romo with solid protection and a "reliable" running game... then sit back and enjoy the success.

Romo is not the problem. Get a defense out there that knows how to flourish in the 3-4 set. Raise the intelligence level of the defense overall by cutting some dead weight. Focus on the actual problem by letting Rob put "his" defense together. Then sit back and enjoy while our high powered offense puts games out of reach by the 4th quarter.