CFZ I am already thinking offseason

[Praxit]

..wierd, Im already thinking post-season. ..

 

[Sydla]

The only team that wants Dak at his current contract is the team he is currently on.
With his contract, you couldn't get a 7th rounder for him.
Dak is a mirage created by a used car salesman and we all know his name.
No trade will occur only another Zeke tale.....

Except you don't seem to understand his contract.

Any team acquiring him isn't saddled with the cap hits for his bonuses already paid and restructures. In other words, while we are on the hook for like a $60MM cap hit next year, any team trading for him wouldn't come close to that cap hit. They are only saddled with the base salary of $29MM for next year and roster bonus of $5MM. Any team that wants him could easily restructure or extend and make the contract more palatable. So it's not the contract that would hinder the Cowboys from moving him if they wanted to. It would be finding a team that actually thinks he's a good QB to trade for him.

Any team acquring him, would have to take the 10th biggest cap hit amongst QBs next year if they did nothing with his contract. Not ideal but certainly not terrible.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I’m not sure about that. Why do you say so?

The Eagles have shown you can cut bait with a horrid contract (Wentz) and recover in short order.

I would wager good money a team like the Raiders or Commanders would be willing to take on Dak’s contract.

Yes, it would be a lot of dead money for us, but there’s additional savings by not having him in the roster (he’s due a $5M roster bonus in 2024 if he’s still on the roster the fifth day of the NFL season).

NTC is the problem. Remember Eagles traded Wentz. Unless Prescott waives his NTC ( not impossible, Wilson did it), we cant trade him.

If we are moving on from Prescott, it would mean a rebuild. At which point Im not too concerned with dead cap. The question there would be do you move Parson and Lamb as well? With the QB class, if you can get Prescott to waive his NTC, you could probably get a late 1st for him. That would help you in being aggressive in manuvering for a franchise QB. Not getting yoy Caleb Williams or Drake Maye, but its a strong class after them as well. Hitting on a QB, could alow us to maintain a 9/10 win team in 2024 if we dont do a complete tear down

 

[Sydla]

NTC is the problem. Remember Eagles traded Wentz. Unless Prescott waives his NTC ( not impossible, Wilson did it), we cant trade him.

If we are moving on from Prescott, it would mean a rebuild. At which point Im not too concerned with dead cap. The question there would be do you move Parson and Lamb as well? With the QB class, if you can get Prescott to waive his NTC, you could probably get a late 1st for him. That would help you in being aggressive in manuvering for a franchise QB. Not getting yoy Caleb Williams or Drake Maye, but its a strong class after them as well. Hitting on a QB, could alow us to maintain a 9/10 win team in 2024 if we dont do a complete tear down

I think in a scenario where you cut bait on Dak and bring in a new HC, you try to ride the defense to stay competent while working with the QB.

As you said you won't get a Maye or Williams but there are going to be some interesting guys even in the 2nd round, possibly 3rd round. I'd go QB with one of those picks, then maybe OL (either OG or OT, allowing Tyler to move or stay put) to give the young QB a competent OL. Hopfully the HC or OC is a QB whisperer and can work with Lance and the draft pick and between on of them you hit on a QB.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Season is obviously not over but I need something to occupy my time. My offseason plan (with the easily assumed fact that this team will just spit the bit again at the end like they've done for years now):

1) Dak is done. But his cap number is tricky. Ideally you'd like to trade him for even some scrap picks but his pre June 1 trade cap hit is crazy (same as his pre June 1 cut hit). Unless I am missing something, I don't think you can trade him pre June 1 and designate him a post June 1 cap hit. So I bite the bullet, don't concern myself with the scrap picks you might get and just cut him, designated June 1.

2) McCarthy is shown the door. He was a retread hire and not a very good one. What does he do well? As HC, the team is not very well coached and lacks discipline as once again they appear to be heading towards Top 10 status in penalties. And the penalties we are accumulating are mindnumbing. The pre-snap penalties are pathetic. That's coaching. What does he well as OC? Nothing. Offense is bland. For all the criticism of Dak, a quality coordinator would design an offense that gets Dak some easy throws. Watch what Shanahan is doing and how he creates the open looks for Purdy. Where is that with McCarthy? There's a reason he got run out of GB despite having Rodgers. He's repeating it again here.

3) My eye is on Shane Waldron in Seattle as the new HC. Coached under McVay in LA and now is sucking knowledge off Carroll. In his first year in Seattle he helped turn Geno Smith into an extremely competent QB. Smith's play this year hasn't fallen off that much. He seems like the perfect guy to work with Lance. Waldron is also young (44). Waldron likely is going to be a hot name this offseason so Cowboys need to strike fast. Jerry can't sit around with a thumb up his butt for a couple of weeks figuring out what to do while all the hot shot names get sucked up. Bienemy is my #2 but a lot depends on how he does in Washington this year. He doesn't have a lot to work with, especially at QB, but if he squeezes competence out of that group, I can live with him.

4) Lance is the guy in 2024. You take your lumps with Waldron working with him. You also draft a QB with one of your first 3 picks. You have to rebuild the QB room.

5) I am not as down on Quinn as some are but ideally, if you could talk him back into being DC under Waldron, I could live with that. But I could also see Waldron having his own ideas for DC and that's perfectly fine with me. I am not in love with Quinn.

Bold moves. Which means Jerry would never, ever do it, because 1) it would be outside his comfort zone, 2) he hates admitting failure and cutting Dak would be just that, 3) Waldron is likely going to have his pick of jobs, many of which will give him more control than Jerry will be willing to give up.

So basically, we are FUBAR'd.

Is it crazy to think of trading Parson's to Chicago to the #1 or #2 pick? Especially if they decide to roll with Fields, seems like it may be a realistic possibility. They still have a high #1 pick. Put us in position to get Williams or Maye and not having to pay Parsons help us with the dead cap from Dak.

It really an opportunity to get a top QB prospect without having to blow-up your future drafts or tank.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Except you don't seem to understand his contract.

Any team acquiring him isn't saddled with the cap hits for his bonuses already paid and restructures. In other words, while we are on the hook for like a $60MM cap hit next year, any team trading for him wouldn't come close to that cap hit. They are only saddled with the base salary of $29MM for next year and roster bonus of $5MM. Any team that wants him could easily restructure or extend and make the contract more palatable. So it's not the contract that would hinder the Cowboys from moving him if they wanted to. It would be finding a team that actually thinks he's a good QB to trade for him.

Any team acquring him, would have to take the 10th biggest cap hit amongst QBs next year if they did nothing with his contract. Not ideal but certainly not terrible.

THINK..................Who wants him and why?
Are they lacking Field Goals or 3 and outs?
Do they really want a QB that the defense needs to carry weekly?
Or is it his great accuracy and pocket presence?
In the end its really not about the $ it's about the lack of talent and man Dak hit the jackpot on that trait!!!

 

[Sydla]

THINK..................Who wants him and why?
Are they lacking Field Goals or 3 and outs?
Do they really want a QB that the defense needs to carry weekly?
Or is it his great accuracy and pocket presence?
In the end its really not about the $ it's about the lack of talent and man Dak hit the jackpot on that trait!!!

Good question. A team would have to think he's better than what they have.

But contrary to your point, it wouldn't be the contract that prevents them from acquiring him. They'd be acquiring a one year contract for $34 million that could easily be extended to lower the cap hit.

 

[Sydla]

Is it crazy to think of trading Parson's to Chicago to the #1 or #2 pick? Especially if they decide to roll with Fields, seems like it may be a realistic possibility. They still have a high #1 pick. Put us in position to get Williams or Maye and not having to pay Parsons help us with the dead cap from Dak.

It really an opportunity to get a top QB prospect without having to blow-up your future drafts or tank.

Interesting but I think there would be some serious comp for that pick. Probably would cost you Parsons, this year's #1, maybe a 2nd this year or next year too.

 

[Aven8]

Good grief……

 

[starfan1]

Except it's not just the San Fran beatdown. It's the continuation of problems that have plagued this franchise for years.

We keep being told that things are different, we made this change or that change to make us better, etc............ and then the results don't change. Sunday night was supposed to be the measuring stick. We found out we still are lagging behind.

I guess for this fan it just isnt that serious. I love the cowboys and would love to see a lombardi but i dont need 1 to be content.Its just entertainment to me. And if its bad like that sunday night abortion i watch something else. I got no sweat equity in this and right now I can be content with the Texas Rangers till they are done.

Cowboys arent eliminated and until then Ill be engaged

 

[Denim Chicken]

Interesting but I think there would be some serious comp for that pick. Probably would cost you Parsons, this year's #1, maybe a 2nd this year or next year too.

I don't know. Say Parson's ends up having a great year, like DPOY. Wouldn't you think a player of that caliber is with more that a 1st? I recall Jalen Ramsey netting 2 #1 picks.

 

[Sydla]

I don't know. Say Parson's ends up having a great year, like DPOY. Wouldn't you think a player of that caliber is with more that a 1st? I recall Jalen Ramsey netting 2 #1 picks.

That is true. Was that a contract year for Ramsey or was he already signed to an extension? Can't remember.

EDIT: No, he hadn't signed his extension yet. That came after the trade. So you may be right, but then again, the Rams were pretty good when traded so those #1s were expected to be lower round picks. To get the #1 or #2 pick, you are probably paying a premium here.

 

[Denim Chicken]

That is true. Was that a contract year for Ramsey or was he already signed to an extension? Can't remember.

EDIT: No, he hadn't signed his extension yet. That came after the trade. So you may be right, but then again, the Rams were pretty good when traded so those #1s were expected to be lower round picks. To get the #1 or #2 pick, you are probably paying a premium here.

I might be inclined to pay. It's not often a decent team can work a deal to get a top prospect without trashing everything else. Losing Parson's will hurt significantly, and maybe you lose Q as a result too (I'm still high on him as DC), but man, I fell like that's something you have to at least consider.

 

[Sydla]

I might be inclined to pay. It's not often a decent team can work a deal to get a top prospect without trashing everything else. Losing Parson's will hurt significantly, and maybe you lose Q as a result too (I'm still high on him as DC), but man, I fell like that's something you have to at least consider.

Totally but at the end of the day, which is more important? A great edge rusher or a QB that can win games for you? Seems obvious to me.

I'd probably make the trade.

 

[McKDaddy]

You are going to have to cut him unless you can get him to waive his NTC

They can make it in his best interest to waive it. Getting benched and \ or outright cut is not a good look for a 30 yr old QB. You help him understand that it's going to happen if he isn't traded.

 

[McKDaddy]

Be careful what you wish for, remember the Dave Campo years? Dak isn't elite, but he is far better then the alternative.

Granted, it can get worse. But it's past time to try alternatives.

 

[Sydla]

They can make it in his best interest to waive it. Getting benched and \ or outright cut is not a good look for a 30 yr old QB. You help him understand that it's going to happen if he isn't traded.

Ehhh not much leverage there. One, Dak would probably be OK with getting cut as he then could basically pick the team he signs with next.

And there's zero chance the Cowboys bench Dak for 2024 with a nearly $60MM cap hit. And you sure as hell aren't restructuring him to kick more cap space into those dummy years.

Cowboys wouldn't have a ton of leverage when it came to pushing him to accept a trade.

 

[KJJ]

I’ve noticed several members of the sunshine gang have disappeared since the beatdown by San Francisco. They can’t even find anything positive to talk about. Lol

 

[KJJ]

I am also thinking about the off-season....how I will celebrate SB trophy #6, in February of 2024.

Funny, I never knew you were a 49ers fan.

 

[ShortRound]

Still have 12 games left. Down but not out ... Got to see how it plays out.