CFZ I am already thinking offseason

McKDaddy

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Ehhh not much leverage there. One, Dak would probably be OK with getting cut as he then could basically pick the team he signs with next.

And there's zero chance the Cowboys bench Dak for 2024 with a nearly $60MM cap hit. And you sure as hell aren't restructuring him to kick more cap space into those dummy years.

Cowboys wouldn't have a ton of leverage when it came to pushing him to accept a trade.
Sure it is. The difference between getting fired or benched & looking for a job while unemployed & being the subject of every sports program in the country OR finding a new job with the help of your current employer and avoiding a lot of drama.

His choices either way will be teams that are interested. So, they'll be limited but he'll still get some choice.
 

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Who said no glimmer of hope? Anything it possible. But history says don't put a ton of faith in the Cowboys going on a run, especially after this kind of start where your QB looks lost and the OC seems kinda clueless.

So you're saying there's a chance!

Hell yeah.

Let's go brother, LEGGO COWBOYS

Lol, I get it man.
 

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Is it crazy to think of trading Parson's to Chicago to the #1 or #2 pick? Especially if they decide to roll with Fields, seems like it may be a realistic possibility. They still have a high #1 pick. Put us in position to get Williams or Maye and not having to pay Parsons help us with the dead cap from Dak.

It really an opportunity to get a top QB prospect without having to blow-up your future drafts or tank.
Not crazy for Dallas to want it, but perhaps it's crazy for the Bears to consider it. Fields looks better the last couple weeks, but he is still something like 6-20 as a starter (or something close). He hasn't proved to be consistent enough to pass on this QB class. Perhaps he does that the rest of this season, but with this class, his play would have to be very convincing and consistent. I wouldn't be surprised if they hope he shows enough to be able to trade him for even more capital.

Plus most GMs would not like the idea of parting with #1 or #2 overall and also have to pay a record amount of money to the acquired player (like they would have to with Parsons). Part of the attractiveness of that high pick is the 5 year contract at reasonable pay levels

It there is a Parsons trade - I'll bet it is with a team that is already likes their QB situation and looking for a final piece
 

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Good to hear you give up that easily. Certainly a quality in life to be proud of.
Are you a new fan to the Cowboys? 28 years since this team has even made it to the NFCCG. Is that success to you? I'm just glad l got to witness the Landry and Jimmy Johnson years. Right now l'm just wishing that Jerry would sell the team...
 

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I do not want to see 5-6 win seasons again trying to find a QB.
I haven't wanted to see most of the seasons with #4 knowing we had almost zero shot at getting to the promised land. In every life a little rain must fall. Tis time.

If we find a good one, it'll all be worthwhile.
 

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This kind of logic never made sense to me. It was also used to justify keeping Garrett. That while Garrett wasn't great, it could be worse.

If the guy you have has no shot to lead you to the promised land, then why in the world would you keep him even knowing there could be worse options?

If I have no faith in McCarthy at year end, I would absolutely take the risk, hire a new guy and see if he works out. It would be a no brainer move.
I feel there are bigger concerns on our roster then just our QB and our HC. I don't feel we have no shot with Dak as our QB. Both 49ers/Eagles have dominate run games, we do not. Cowboy Defense struggles stopping the run and gets no pass rush outside of Parsons. They both have more talent, better coaching.
 
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Season is obviously not over but I need something to occupy my time. My offseason plan (with the easily assumed fact that this team will just spit the bit again at the end like they've done for years now):

1) Dak is done. But his cap number is tricky. Ideally you'd like to trade him for even some scrap picks but his pre June 1 trade cap hit is crazy (same as his pre June 1 cut hit). Unless I am missing something, I don't think you can trade him pre June 1 and designate him a post June 1 cap hit. So I bite the bullet, don't concern myself with the scrap picks you might get and just cut him, designated June 1.

2) McCarthy is shown the door. He was a retread hire and not a very good one. What does he do well? As HC, the team is not very well coached and lacks discipline as once again they appear to be heading towards Top 10 status in penalties. And the penalties we are accumulating are mindnumbing. The pre-snap penalties are pathetic. That's coaching. What does he well as OC? Nothing. Offense is bland. For all the criticism of Dak, a quality coordinator would design an offense that gets Dak some easy throws. Watch what Shanahan is doing and how he creates the open looks for Purdy. Where is that with McCarthy? There's a reason he got run out of GB despite having Rodgers. He's repeating it again here.

3) My eye is on Shane Waldron in Seattle as the new HC. Coached under McVay in LA and now is sucking knowledge off Carroll. In his first year in Seattle he helped turn Geno Smith into an extremely competent QB. Smith's play this year hasn't fallen off that much. He seems like the perfect guy to work with Lance. Waldron is also young (44). Waldron likely is going to be a hot name this offseason so Cowboys need to strike fast. Jerry can't sit around with a thumb up his butt for a couple of weeks figuring out what to do while all the hot shot names get sucked up. Bienemy is my #2 but a lot depends on how he does in Washington this year. He doesn't have a lot to work with, especially at QB, but if he squeezes competence out of that group, I can live with him.

4) Lance is the guy in 2024. You take your lumps with Waldron working with him. You also draft a QB with one of your first 3 picks. You have to rebuild the QB room.

5) I am not as down on Quinn as some are but ideally, if you could talk him back into being DC under Waldron, I could live with that. But I could also see Waldron having his own ideas for DC and that's perfectly fine with me. I am not in love with Quinn.

Bold moves. Which means Jerry would never, ever do it, because 1) it would be outside his comfort zone, 2) he hates admitting failure and cutting Dak would be just that, 3) Waldron is likely going to have his pick of jobs, many of which will give him more control than Jerry will be willing to give up.

So basically, we are FUBAR'd.
Does it really matter? Is jones going to trade Dak? Is he going to fire MM? Even if he does is he going to hire a new age OC? Will he go back to puppet coaches for the next 20 years again?
 

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I haven't wanted to see most of the seasons with #4 knowing we had almost zero shot at getting to the promised land. In every life a little rain must fall. Tis time.

If we find a good one, it'll all be worthwhile.
If they go in that direction, they better have a plan as we have seen teams struggle to find a QB for years. It isn't a guarantee a high selection will pan out.
 

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If they go in that direction, they better have a plan as we have seen teams struggle to find a QB for years. It isn't a guarantee a high selection will pan out.
absolutely no guarantees. gotta throw some darts. you would hope they would focus on players who can process information quickly & who have good football instincts. common denominator among QB's who are above average.
 

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I agree, who will we get to suck like dak. It would break my heart to lose just like we are doing now. Let's stay status quo. Keep the dak..
 
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Season is obviously not over but I need something to occupy my time. My offseason plan (with the easily assumed fact that this team will just spit the bit again at the end like they've done for years now):

1) Dak is done. But his cap number is tricky. Ideally you'd like to trade him for even some scrap picks but his pre June 1 trade cap hit is crazy (same as his pre June 1 cut hit). Unless I am missing something, I don't think you can trade him pre June 1 and designate him a post June 1 cap hit. So I bite the bullet, don't concern myself with the scrap picks you might get and just cut him, designated June 1.

2) McCarthy is shown the door. He was a retread hire and not a very good one. What does he do well? As HC, the team is not very well coached and lacks discipline as once again they appear to be heading towards Top 10 status in penalties. And the penalties we are accumulating are mindnumbing. The pre-snap penalties are pathetic. That's coaching. What does he well as OC? Nothing. Offense is bland. For all the criticism of Dak, a quality coordinator would design an offense that gets Dak some easy throws. Watch what Shanahan is doing and how he creates the open looks for Purdy. Where is that with McCarthy? There's a reason he got run out of GB despite having Rodgers. He's repeating it again here.

3) My eye is on Shane Waldron in Seattle as the new HC. Coached under McVay in LA and now is sucking knowledge off Carroll. In his first year in Seattle he helped turn Geno Smith into an extremely competent QB. Smith's play this year hasn't fallen off that much. He seems like the perfect guy to work with Lance. Waldron is also young (44). Waldron likely is going to be a hot name this offseason so Cowboys need to strike fast. Jerry can't sit around with a thumb up his butt for a couple of weeks figuring out what to do while all the hot shot names get sucked up. Bienemy is my #2 but a lot depends on how he does in Washington this year. He doesn't have a lot to work with, especially at QB, but if he squeezes competence out of that group, I can live with him.

4) Lance is the guy in 2024. You take your lumps with Waldron working with him. You also draft a QB with one of your first 3 picks. You have to rebuild the QB room.

5) I am not as down on Quinn as some are but ideally, if you could talk him back into being DC under Waldron, I could live with that. But I could also see Waldron having his own ideas for DC and that's perfectly fine with me. I am not in love with Quinn.

Bold moves. Which means Jerry would never, ever do it, because 1) it would be outside his comfort zone, 2) he hates admitting failure and cutting Dak would be just that, 3) Waldron is likely going to have his pick of jobs, many of which will give him more control than Jerry will be willing to give up.

So basically, we are FUBAR'd.
Lance was only brought here as a negotiating ploy to drive Dak's price down, they are not relying on him as QB of the future.
 

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Season is obviously not over but I need something to occupy my time. My offseason plan (with the easily assumed fact that this team will just spit the bit again at the end like they've done for years now):

1) Dak is done. But his cap number is tricky. Ideally you'd like to trade him for even some scrap picks but his pre June 1 trade cap hit is crazy (same as his pre June 1 cut hit). Unless I am missing something, I don't think you can trade him pre June 1 and designate him a post June 1 cap hit. So I bite the bullet, don't concern myself with the scrap picks you might get and just cut him, designated June 1.

2) McCarthy is shown the door. He was a retread hire and not a very good one. What does he do well? As HC, the team is not very well coached and lacks discipline as once again they appear to be heading towards Top 10 status in penalties. And the penalties we are accumulating are mindnumbing. The pre-snap penalties are pathetic. That's coaching. What does he well as OC? Nothing. Offense is bland. For all the criticism of Dak, a quality coordinator would design an offense that gets Dak some easy throws. Watch what Shanahan is doing and how he creates the open looks for Purdy. Where is that with McCarthy? There's a reason he got run out of GB despite having Rodgers. He's repeating it again here.

3) My eye is on Shane Waldron in Seattle as the new HC. Coached under McVay in LA and now is sucking knowledge off Carroll. In his first year in Seattle he helped turn Geno Smith into an extremely competent QB. Smith's play this year hasn't fallen off that much. He seems like the perfect guy to work with Lance. Waldron is also young (44). Waldron likely is going to be a hot name this offseason so Cowboys need to strike fast. Jerry can't sit around with a thumb up his butt for a couple of weeks figuring out what to do while all the hot shot names get sucked up. Bienemy is my #2 but a lot depends on how he does in Washington this year. He doesn't have a lot to work with, especially at QB, but if he squeezes competence out of that group, I can live with him.

4) Lance is the guy in 2024. You take your lumps with Waldron working with him. You also draft a QB with one of your first 3 picks. You have to rebuild the QB room.

5) I am not as down on Quinn as some are but ideally, if you could talk him back into being DC under Waldron, I could live with that. But I could also see Waldron having his own ideas for DC and that's perfectly fine with me. I am not in love with Quinn.

Bold moves. Which means Jerry would never, ever do it, because 1) it would be outside his comfort zone, 2) he hates admitting failure and cutting Dak would be just that, 3) Waldron is likely going to have his pick of jobs, many of which will give him more control than Jerry will be willing to give up.

So basically, we are FUBAR'd.
I knew it before the game. I asked the question here, “ which corp of players at all position on both teams to we have the advantage at over the Niners?”…....it was pretty much crickets

the delusional rah rah stuff starts to go south when one has to see things for what they are.

Turn out the lights on the Super Bowl talk and just enjoy watching the games knowing where it’s going to end.
 
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