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This is the time of year when Garrett always looks most impressive - when there's nothing on the line. That's been the case since he took over as head coach.

There's no doubt that Jason knows how to talk like a coach, walk like a coach and look like a coach. The question is does he know how to actually be a coach when the game is on the line and he has to make the tough in-game decisions that could mean a win or a loss? So far the answer has been no.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
Understood, but a couple things. I didn't like garret as an oc. This isn't a guy coming in we have no experience with. And I certainly thought he was a bad choice for a head coach. And the reasons I thought he was a bad choice have all came to the forefront.

I just don't understand this three year thing. Are you giving him a pass on blundering for three years.. Why not make judgements based on what you see now? Up to this point garret has been a disappointment. Is there problem in acknowledging that or admitting that?
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As I said I give him no more nor no less than any person hired. Seems you made your mind up ahead of time so you start from a bias stand point. I get accused of having some type of man love for Garrett? Facts are I give him the same dues as I would any person hired as the HC. I don't think it is unreasonable at all to give a person at least 3 years. I think the big mistakes I see from many teams is firing HC at will giving them no chance, no lee way, no room to do the job. If you are going to do that, 1 you will not find a HC that would want to work under that situation even Shannahan told Washington he would take the HC job but he wanted the time to do the job and if they were not willing to do that then he did not want the job. This is not about protecting Garrett it is about giving him what any other HC should get.
 
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I find it quite hilarious that the guys on NFL Network have pretty much laughed at JG being demoted, while still retaining the HC title... I believe they may have even referred to him as akin to a highly-paid cheerleader.
 
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khiladi said:
I find it quite hilarious that the guys on NFL Network have pretty much laughed at JG being demoted, while still retaining the HC title... I believe they may have even referred to him as akin to a highly-paid cheerleader.
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The guys on NFL Network have taken a few too many hits to the head, and were never that bright to begin with.

How many playoff teams had coaches that called their own plays?

I guess the Harbaugh brothers and Belichick are both highly-paid cheerleaders because neither of them do either.
 
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Funny, because those guys delegate out of their own free will... If they decide to call their own plays, they would and nobody could stop them. JG on the other hand, was demoted and had no choice. I'm glad JJ actually stopped making decisions while totally drunk.
 
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Meh. That about sums it up for me at this point. I really don't care how coaches go about getting results, so long as they get the right kind of results. It's hard to say at this point if the Cowboys are headed in the right direction, but I'd like to think they are. But based of what we have seen the last 3 seasons, I'm not getting my hopes up. As always, I'll stay cautiously optimistic.
 
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Most of the coaches Garrett brought in when he first got here are gone. First round was a failure. Now it's onto round two. Which was initializes by Jerry jones. And arguably forced by jones.
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2013
Coaching Staff
Offensive CoachesDefensive CoachesSpecialty Coaches
Bill Callahan
Offensive Coordinator/Offensive LineMonte Kiffin
Defensive CoordinatorRich Bisaccia
Special Teams Coordinator
Gary Brown
Running BacksJoe Baker
Assistant SecondaryMike Woicik
Strength and Conditioning Coordinator
Derek Dooley
Wide ReceiversBen Bloom
Quality Control/LinebackersBrett Bech
Assistant Strength and Conditioning
Keith O'Quinn
Off. Quality Control/Wide ReceiversMatt Eberflus
LinebackersChris Boniol
Assistant Special Teams
Wes Phillips
Tight EndsJerome Henderson
SecondaryDave Borgonzi
Offensive Assistant
Frank Pollack
Assistant Offensive LineLeon Lett
Defensive Assistant/Defensive LineKendall Smith
Assistant Strength and Conditioning
Wade Wilson
QuarterbacksRod Marinelli
Defensive Line



2012 Dallas Cowboys staff
Front Office
Head Coaches

Offensive Coaches

Defensive Coaches
Special Teams Coaches

Strength and Conditioning



Dallas Cowboys 2011 staff
Front Office
Head Coaches

Offensive Coaches

Defensive Coaches

Special Teams Coaches

Strength and Conditioning

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Looks like the normal coming and going of assistants to me. I don't see any wholesale changes whatever that means. I left 2010 off since Wade was fired and he was appointed interim HC. I could argue he's had to use the normal ebb and flow of assistants to bring in his own guys and keep the ones he likes. Getting rid of Ryan was a coordinated decision and not forced on him but I don't expect some to believe that nor Garrett letting Callahan calls the plays.


 
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That's what good HCs do. They get players and coaches together who can give you wins. You can only get so much out of schemes and coaching. You need players.
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So you believe he's a good head coach? Interesting.
 
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As I said I give him no more nor no less than any person hired. Seems you made your mind up ahead of time so you start from a bias stand point. I get accused of having some type of man love for Garrett? Facts are I give him the same dues as I would any person hired as the HC. I don't think it is unreasonable at all to give a person at least 3 years. I think the big mistakes I see from many teams is firing HC at will giving them no chance, no lee way, no room to do the job. If you are going to do that, 1 you will not find a HC that would want to work under that situation even Shannahan told Washington he would take the HC job but he wanted the time to do the job and if they were not willing to do that then he did not want the job. This is not about protecting Garrett it is about giving him what any other HC should get.
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I have been watching him for 4 years under Wade and thought he was a bad OC. So why would he be a good head coach that still called his own plays? He was his own problem.

Giving him what any head coach would get? Sorry, I don't need three years to figure out if someone is a good coach or not. AGAIN..........I have now had 6 years of watching Garrett coach the Cowboys and he doesn't have it.
 
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I have been watching him for 4 years under Wade and thought he was a bad OC. So why would he be a good head coach that still called his own plays? He was his own problem.

Giving him what any head coach would get? Sorry, I don't need three years to figure out if someone is a good coach or not. AGAIN..........I have now had 6 years of watching Garrett coach the Cowboys and he doesn't have it.
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And that is your view. OC however is not the same as a HC but again I told you how I see it not how others see it. If you don't like him that is your baggage not mine. I expect him to go out and do the job if he fails then I expect he will lose his job.
 
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I find it quite hilarious that the guys on NFL Network have pretty much laughed at JG being demoted, while still retaining the HC title... I believe they may have even referred to him as akin to a highly-paid cheerleader.
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Yep, and they have laughed at his coaching blunders since he has been here. In a poll they concluded that the #1 coach on the hottest seat in the NFL was Garrett.

Yet he is the next great coach in waiting. LOL As he gets stripped of his authority and responsibilities that it was quite clear he didn't want to give up.
 
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2013
Coaching Staff
Offensive CoachesDefensive CoachesSpecialty Coaches
Bill Callahan
Offensive Coordinator/Offensive LineMonte Kiffin
Defensive CoordinatorRich Bisaccia
Special Teams Coordinator
Gary Brown
Running BacksJoe Baker
Assistant SecondaryMike Woicik
Strength and Conditioning Coordinator
Derek Dooley
Wide ReceiversBen Bloom
Quality Control/LinebackersBrett Bech
Assistant Strength and Conditioning
Keith O'Quinn
Off. Quality Control/Wide ReceiversMatt Eberflus
LinebackersChris Boniol
Assistant Special Teams
Wes Phillips
Tight EndsJerome Henderson
SecondaryDave Borgonzi
Offensive Assistant
Frank Pollack
Assistant Offensive LineLeon Lett
Defensive Assistant/Defensive LineKendall Smith
Assistant Strength and Conditioning
Wade Wilson
QuarterbacksRod Marinelli
Defensive Line



2012 Dallas Cowboys staff
Front Office
Head Coaches

Offensive Coaches

Defensive Coaches
Special Teams Coaches

Strength and Conditioning



Dallas Cowboys 2011 staff
Front Office
Head Coaches

Offensive Coaches

Defensive Coaches

Special Teams Coaches

Strength and Conditioning

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Looks like the normal coming and going of assistants to me. I don't see any wholesale changes whatever that means. I left 2010 off since Wade was fired and he was appointed interim HC. I could argue he's had to use the normal ebb and flow of assistants to bring in his own guys and keep the ones he likes. Getting rid of Ryan was a coordinated decision and not forced on him but I don't expect some to believe that nor Garrett letting Callahan calls the plays.
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Interesting because the defensive staff was overhauled including the top 2 guys running it. Did you notice that we have completely switched from the 3-4 to the 4-3?

And on the offensive side of the ball we have a new OC running the show in Bill Callahan. Certainly on the staff, but a new guy taking the place of Garrett. That's as close to an overhaul as you are going to get without firing the head coach.
 
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And that is your view. OC however is not the same as a HC but again I told you how I see it not how others see it. If you don't like him that is your baggage not mine. I expect him to go out and do the job if he fails then I expect he will lose his job.
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That's correct. I have seen him coach and I don't like him. Based on 6 years of evidence. Im still not sure what your stance is.

You have no opinion one way or the other until after 3 years? Yet you get upset when other people judge him before? Seems a rather odd stance to me.
 
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That's correct. I have seen him coach and I don't like him. Based on 6 years of evidence. Im still not sure what your stance is.

You have no opinion one way or the other until after 3 years? Yet you get upset when other people judge him before? Seems a rather odd stance to me.
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Not upset at all. I think many have knee jerk reactions. I think many have their own views of who the HC should be and when they don't get their way they come down quickly on any other candidate for the job. There are things Jason has done at times I disagree with and others I have agreed with even when things have not panned out. In the end you hire a HC you give him time as the HC to do the job if your not going to give a man 3 years then why bother because no one is taking the job if they are not given the time. I don't know how else to put it I would give any HC the same oppertunity this is not a stance I take only with Garrett
 
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Interesting because the defensive staff was overhauled including the top 2 guys running it. Did you notice that we have completely switched from the 3-4 to the 4-3?

And on the offensive side of the ball we have a new OC running the show in Bill Callahan. Certainly on the staff, but a new guy taking the place of Garrett. That's as close to an overhaul as you are going to get without firing the head coach.
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And Garrett wanted Floyd, a 3-4 NT. And he got over-ruled by Jerry, who listened to Marinelli, plus get Romo the interior OL he desperately needed.
 
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And Garrett wanted Floyd, a 3-4 NT. And he got over-ruled by Jerry, who listened to Marinelli, plus get Romo the interior OL he desperately needed.
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and BP wanted Spencer above Ware and was over ruled by Ireland so what is the point?
 
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If this team all of a sudden takes the next step, it will be obvious to me that it is because of less Garrett.
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Yet the injury situation last year that helped caused the 8-8 record is all Garrett's fault?
 
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Interesting because the defensive staff was overhauled including the top 2 guys running it. Did you notice that we have completely switched from the 3-4 to the 4-3?

And on the offensive side of the ball we have a new OC running the show in Bill Callahan. Certainly on the staff, but a new guy taking the place of Garrett. That's as close to an overhaul as you are going to get without firing the head coach.
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Yeah I just noticed the other day. The team made the decision to move away from Ryan and to Kiffin's D. Kiffin himself has said it doesn't make a lot of difference whether its a 3-4 or 4-3. I don't completely agree with that and I don't think he meant that universally as he said it was the players that mattered. It just so happens we have the personnel to make the switch to his version of the 4-3. It's also simpler. But the main reason was to create TOs which this team has done poorly. So Garrett didn't make wholesale changes. The team did. In fact we've had fairly good continuity since he's been here. There's always going to be some coaches coming and going for various reasons. Some were sent packing. Garrett has been the HC since 2010. For a regime change I don't think we've changed a great deal with the exception of the switch to 4-3 and a fair number of the defensive coaches remain despite that. I'm not going to count Marinelli or Kiffin as they are the main ingredient.

The main reason for rebuttal is Garrett making all the changes. Certainly he's influenced the changes some probably greatly. The guy can't win. There's haters on both sides of the fence. Jerry forced all the changes vs Garrett is making wholesale changes whatever that is. I'm saying the FO and the coaches made the decisions on what to do.
 
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Not upset at all. I think many have knee jerk reactions. I think many have their own views of who the HC should be and when they don't get their way they come down quickly on any other candidate for the job. There are things Jason has done at times I disagree with and others I have agreed with even when things have not panned out. In the end you hire a HC you give him time as the HC to do the job if your not going to give a man 3 years then why bother because no one is taking the job if they are not given the time. I don't know how else to put it I would give any HC the same oppertunity this is not a stance I take only with Garrett
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I guess your not understading. I wouldnt even have hired Garrett, so there is no need for any kind of three years for me. AGAIN....he has been here 6 years now. 3 years is long past overdue in case you are counting years, which you apparently are. None of that has anything to with the job he has done or critiquing it. First two years of Garrett he has coached poorly. Great, so you would give him one more year. Congrats. I would never have hired him and I definitely would have fired him year #2. Now if I wasnt going to fire him and I was going to give him a 3rd year, then I would have done exactly what Jones did. Fire his DC, bring in my hand picked DC, strip him of his play calling duties and hand them over to Callahan. Keep him out of the gameday stuff as he has proven to be anything but good at it. Let him walk around and act like he owns the place and put on a big smile and be a politician. He seems to be made for that. But leave the football stuff to real football people.
 
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And Garrett wanted Floyd, a 3-4 NT. And he got over-ruled by Jerry, who listened to Marinelli, plus get Romo the interior OL he desperately needed.
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Yes, actually a nice move by Jones. But then of course, once Jones figured he fixed all the Oline problems he went right back to his skill position toy fetish.
 
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