I do not see any difference between that play and the Dez play in 2014 *merged*

[robertfchew]

The NFL claimed there wasn’t any evidence. I’m certainly not goomg to spend time on this. If you think there’s a bias against the Cowboys don’t watch the game.

Dude the NFL domestic violence expert said there was no ground to suspend Elliott and that the accuser was bogus. She was kept out of the official suspension meeting for a reason. This is a whole separate argument from the catches argument. You can't suspend on player without any foundation yet absolve another of fault within weeks. Why wasn't the dude drafted by the raiders this year suspended after his sexual assault allegations. Proof is not required, the nfl already set the standard as any accusation. Like I've said in previous posts the standard has been set and it needs to be followed. Catches are one thing and if they catch the ball they are a runner so all these penalties are bogus or they aren't catches like the dez thing. If you think there isn't a huge problem with the nfl contradicting itself on every matter possible then you don't watch the game.

If you want to get into more lets talks TO vs MOSS in the hof. TO was a model citizen off the field yet wasn't a first ballot even after having a 90ish more receptions and close to 1000 more yards only 3 less touchdowns. One was known for being a diva but with unmatched work ethic the other was a diva who quit on plays and didn't maximize his potential. The nfl is unparalleled in its hypocrisy.

 

[DogFace]

Do they think Pereira played along too? Because he agreed with both of them on the broadcast. Conspiracy is thrown around way too leisurely. Never need actual proof, so why not?

I see you’ve aligned yourself with @KJJ. That’s perfect!!

 

[zerofill]

Oh lord, here we go. Here's the difference. Dez jumped up to highpoint the ball and Ertz caught the ball while on his feet taking 3 steps and then executed a proper lunge/reach. Dez did not do the last part so the going to the ground rule applied. Just stop.

I agree in the differences... Although I still feel the Dez one was a catch. Personally, I think if you have control of the ball, and both feet on the ground, it is a friggin catch.

I also think Rodgers would have still screwed us, even if we did get that touchdown.

However the Clement one, I think was not a catch, by their NFL catch rule crap.

 

[KJJ]

Dude the NFL domestic violence expert said there was no ground to suspend Elliott and that the accuser was bogus. She was kept out of the official suspension meeting for a reason. This is a whole separate argument from the catches argument. You can't suspend on player without any foundation yet absolve another of fault within weeks. Why wasn't the dude drafted by the raiders this year suspended after his sexual assault allegations. Proof is not required, the nfl already set the standard as any accusation. Like I've said in previous posts the standard has been set and it needs to be followed. Catches are one thing and if they catch the ball they are a runner so all these penalties are bogus or they aren't catches like the dez thing. If you think there isn't a huge problem with the nfl contradicting itself on every matter possible then you don't watch the game.

If you want to get into more lets talks TO vs MOSS in the hof. TO was a model citizen off the field yet wasn't a first ballot even after having a 90ish more receptions and close to 1000 more yards only 3 less touchdowns. One was known for being a diva but with unmatched work ethic the other was a diva who quit on plays and didn't maximize his potential. The nfl is unparalleled in its hypocrisy.

I already said I didn’t agree with Zeke’s suspension but I also said I believe the league looked at the other incidents with him. He exposed a girls breast on a party boat that was caught on video. There was also a reported bar incident. There was a red flag with Zeke coming into the league. Appears the league wanted to send him a strong message seeing there was a troubling pattern with him. He’s one of the highest profile players in the league and a role model. It’s important that he cleans up his image.

As much as Jerry and Stephen didn’t like the suspension they said they hoped Zeke has learned his lesson. What Zeke has gone through this past year is bound to make him think more clearly on his choices. Anymore problems and he could be battling for his career the next time. I’m not going to get into a TO vs Moss discussion. If you’re just looking for topics to argue about find someone else.

 

[DogFace]

Now there is a truth bomb if ever I saw one. People claim they want a fair game called until a call goes against us and then it's CONSPIRACY!!!

Using the phrase “truth bomb” should tell everyone all they need to know about you.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I’ve spent more time on this topic the past three years than any topic that’s ever been posted on this board and I’m not going to continue wasting my time with it. I haven’t made any mistakes some of you just want to keep arguing this topic.

I was not talking to you. I agree with you.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Again going by your standard there can be no more fines of players jacking up other players as long as they have been touched or caught the ball on two sturdy feet regardless of time of possession. Watch the Devante Adams and Trevathan play. He was on solid ground and had full possession so he's a runner and there can be no penalty. ALA the cook play last night he was a runner and got hit helmet to helmet and no call. So if dez was touched like you say then he's a runner with possesion. If he didn't have possession then the touch doesn't matter. Pick which standard we are gonna go by. Nfl rules are contradictory. For the record I think ertz scored but per nfl precedent he did not score and it should have been called back. And for your final statement why would you care if the td last night got called back, Philly was moving the ball at will and likely would have gotten a legit score anyways. So what would it have mattered?

Your position has nothing to do with the Dez catch. You are changing the focus of the ruling.

 

[KJJ]

I was not talking to you. I agree with you.

My bad that response was meant for another poster. Got several coming at me.

 

[BourbonBalz]

After skying high to catch the ball and coming down to the ground with each step. He had possession, 2 feet but did not make the football move that would have undone the going to the ground rule. There was no lunge. He intended it but did not execute. Therefore, once the ball hit the ground and came loose, there was no catch. There are rules that govern this.

You might want to go back and look at the Dez catch again. Didn't make a football move? Hell, he moved the ball to one hand and extended the arm towards the damn goal. It trying to score a touchdown isn't considered a "football move", then I don't know what in the hell does.

 

[TwoDeep3]

My bad that response was meant for another poster. Got several coming at me.

I can relate. Unless you say the Cowboys got screwed on that call, you are the target. No amount of logic or looking at the entire video will convince some.Good luck.

 

[KJJ]

You might want to go back and look at the Dez catch again. Didn't make a football move? Hell, he moved the ball to one hand and extended the arm towards the damn goal. It trying to score a touchdown isn't considered a "football move", then I don't know what in the hell does.

This is where some of you are completely lost on the rule. When a receiver is ruled “going to the ground” they still have to complete the catch process. A football move goes out the window if they're ruled going to the ground.

 

[Established1971]

These are the things loser franchises argue over. So sad how far this fan base has fallen that we need moral victories to feel good about ourselves. Our last 22 years have been fitted with just "ifs".

oh stop man, nothing wrong with discussing things from the past

 

[Blackspider214]

There was no difference in this play and the Dez and Steelers player plays. The difference is, one was a Super Bowl and the other 2 were not. They were not going to change that call with it being that close and the call on the field being a TD. These refs and the NFL are human. They are not wanting that to be the narrative today. I thought the refs did a good job yesterday. They stayed out of the game. No game changing calls.

But the one last night was a catch. And so was the the Dez and Steelers player.

 

[KJJ]

I can relate. Unless you say the Cowboys got screwed on that call, you are the target. No amount of logic or looking at the entire video will convince some.Good luck.

I may be the biggest target here. I’ve received a lot of nasty hate mail the past three years due to my views on this topic.

 

[BourbonBalz]

This is where some of you are completely lost on the rule. When a receiver is ruled “going to the ground” they still have to complete the catch process. A football move goes out the window if they're ruled going to the ground.

The rule book at the time said you have to get both feet in bounds, have control of the ball, and make a football move. He did all three. It was a catch. Period. End of story.

 

[KJJ]

The rule book at the time said you have to get both feet in bounds, have control of the ball, and make a football move. He did all three. It was a catch. Period. End of story.

Ever since everyone became aware of the rule in 2010 with the Calvin Johnson play it’s been called the same way. It wasn’t a catch. Period. End of story.

 

[robertfchew]

I already said I didn’t agree with Zeke’s suspension but I also said I believe the league looked at the other incidents with him. He exposed a girls breast on a party boat that was caught on video. There was also a reported bar incident. There was a red flag with Zeke coming into the league. Appears the league wanted to send him a strong message seeing there was a troubling pattern with him. He’s one of the highest profile players in the league and a role model. It’s important that he cleans up his image.

As much as Jerry and Stephen didn’t like the suspension they said they hoped Zeke has learned his lesson. What Zeke has gone through this past year is bound to make him think more clearly on his choices. Anymore problems and he could be battling for his career the next time. I’m not going to get into a TO vs Moss discussion. If you’re just looking for topics to argue about find someone else.

Now you're just making things up. He was not on a boat. To you it may be a small detail but to me it shows you don't research anything and just spout off. You have no credibility at this point. There is nothing in the cba that says good players are held to a higher standard than jags.

The TO vs Moss reference was just another item to prove my point that the NFL does not care about behavior. Moss is a golden boy despite not being a role model at all. TO was beyond cocky, or high self esteem if you want to spin it, but the dude had work ethic and stayed out of trouble. My entire point is the nfl has no credibility on character issues so shush about Elliot needing to be a role model.

 

[robertfchew]

Ever since everyone became aware of the rule in 2010 with the Calvin Johnson play it’s been called the same way. It wasn’t a catch. Period. End of story.

wrong. explain Jesse James. Explain the eagles guy bobbling twice not maintaining and then explain ertz losing control when he hits the ground. Nfl has no leg to stand on because its called different every time.

 

[percyhoward]

Now there is a truth bomb if ever I saw one. People claim they want a fair game called until a call goes against us and then it's CONSPIRACY!!!

Dismissing the possibility that the opposing argument might have merit is much, much easier than considering it and proving it doesn't have merit.

 

[robertfchew]

There was no difference in this play and the Dez and Steelers player plays. The difference is, one was a Super Bowl and the other 2 were not. They were not going to change that call with it being that close and the call on the field being a TD. These refs and the NFL are human. They are not wanting that to be the narrative today. I thought the refs did a good job yesterday. They stayed out of the game. No game changing calls.

But the one last night was a catch. And so was the the Dez and Steelers player.

two touchdowns that were not touchdowns aren't game changing?