I do not see any difference between that play and the Dez play in 2014 *merged*

[MarcusRock]

I don't bet either I have no money invested at all. I would just prefer a game without league interference. I want the best to win regardless the nfl survived decades without a league office and sure the refs botched calls back then but why ever leave it open to speculation that its fixed by having some annonymous determine the outcomes.You prefer a good show. Go watch a broadway play if thats all you want. thats the difference between us.

He's not an "all seeing football god," he prefers to go by the name "The Wizard."

 

[MarcusRock]

you can't refute my points so you just make jokes about bunkers. Glad to know I've destroyed your entire argument.

The only thing you've destroyed of mine is a few brain cells with your wacky opinions but luckily my brain regenerates cells as designed.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Basically, the difference is Dez skied high to make his catch and each of his steps brought him lower and lower to the ground before he hit the ground whereas Ertz was already on the ground and running when he caught his ball. When you watch the Dez play at regular speed, you see why the official probably called it complete, because the reverse angle is where you see the ball hit the ground, not where the official was standing. Plus, it happened so fast at regular speed, that who could tell except by replay. So I don't blame the field official. I didn't think it was a catch but making Green Bay challenge to be sure was the right call so you could be sure of what happened. The system worked. People just don't want to accept the result.

They called it complete until they watched the replay and saw Dez's leg hit the defender before his first step. That is what caused this to be an incomplete pass when he did not maintain control. I hate that call, but it was correct.

 

[robertfchew]

The only thing you've destroyed of mine is a few brain cells with your wacky opinions but luckily my brain regenerates cells as designed.

And you still don't have enough to argue my points. Regenerate them all you want but you clearly didn't have enough to begin with.

 

[MarcusRock]

They called it complete until they watched the replay and saw Dez's leg hit the defender before his first step. That is what caused this to be an incomplete pass when he did not maintain control. I hate that call, but it was correct.

Actually, contact with the defender doesn't matter per the going to the ground rules but they got the call correct eventually. What your video showed that I didn't notice before was that Shields' contact to Dez' arm made the ball slide a little so Dez actually didn't get control of the ball until later in his leap than I remember. Doesn't matter a whole lot but again if you watch that clip at actual game speed, it means he didn't gain total control until a time after the ball hit his hands.

 

[KJJ]

It's not a conspiracy. Its just like wrestling they have a set storyline and they are sticking to it. Explain the suspension then letting another player off? Explain 6 games no holding? explain the catch thats not a catch but its a catch twice in the super bowl. It obvious there is a bias and you refuse to believe it despite every other major sport being caught fixing games. You think goodell isn't human and holds no grudge with jerry? You think the nfl is so special it is immune to corruption?

What player are you talking about that was a let off? I didn’t agree with Zeke’s suspension but I believe the league looked at some of the other off the field issues with him and wanted to send him a strong message. Zeke being suspended may have been the best thing that could’ve happened to him because it was a wake up call. Hopefully he’s learned his lesson. He found out that all that’s needed is an accusation to get in trouble. As for the the six games with no holding calls that’s just the way it’s gone.

Those who think there’s a conspiracy with that are just looking for something. Some here are so ridiculous they were trying to spin that it was already predetermined for the Patriots to win the Super Bowl. That’s just how ridiculous this fan base is. If anyone truly believes the league is conspiring against the Cowboys, can’t understand why they keep watching the game. This is nothing but BS from a frustrated fan base whose team has done nothing the past 20+ years. It’s fans looking for excuses. It’s not us it’s the leagues fault. lol

 

[KJJ]

IMO it hit the ground. I won't even argue that part of it. But if the ball slammed the ground and there was a goal line there it would be called a catch so the same should happen without the goal line.

I’ve posted close up pictures of the ball clearly touching the ground. It wasn’t going to be called a catch unless he held onto the ball through the contact of the ground. He was going to the ground therefore he had to complete the process.

 

[links18]

Its subjective and he did not maintain so therefore its not a score.

Who did not maintain? And of course its subjective, most things are.

 

[TwoDeep3]

it does not define football move because that is self explanatory. Had dez caught it then fell back uncontrolled and lost it then fine. Catching the ball, taking steps no matter how off balance, switching hands on purpose, and reaching for the end zone clearly establish possession and football moves. You Cannot debate this. The NFL determine that 100% firm holding of the ball without movement must be maintained in order for it to be a catch. but they went against their own rules twice last night. Also what you guys are trying to argue makes ertz a catch means there is no such thing as a defenseless receiver if the dude has 2 feet on the ground regardless of time of possession. You want it to be both ways but it can't. Nfl screwed this up so badly

I have read several of your posts on this specific page. Your comments here are the ones I copied because this is where you are making a mistake.

I posted the youtube video in my post above. Watch it.

The point in which your explanations, outside of conspiracy - is invalidated is at the beginning of the catch sequence.

Dez leaps up to catch the ball at the highest point, over the defender. Now watch his right leg as he comes down.

The defenders leg is still elevated, although he is going to the turf. Dez's leg hits the defenders leg. THIS CONSTITUTES CONTACT.

Dez begins falling forward. Now it doesn't make a difference if Dez Dez is leaping toward the endzone of merely falling forward. The CONTACT immediately after he comes down negates the football move becuase his is moving forward and down to the ground.

Let me restate this because so many people get confused here.

The contact immediately after coming down from his leap to secure the ball, takes away the football move because he is moving forward and down to the ground.

The reason it was called a catch is the ref did not notice the contact. Dez digging for the endzone was not a football move because he was still falling forward. Leaping or falling is the same in the context of the contact.

The ball was jarred loose by the ground, thus making it an incomplete pass. Once the contact was made and Dez headed to the ground, all the football moves you assume had no bearing.

But none of that mattered because Rodgers would have still gotten the ball back.

 

[rynochop]

Not a conspiracy theorist, but the Patriots had a grand total of two penalties in the super bowl and afc championship game. That's just refs almost afraid to call a penalty. It's like in the Michael Jordan days, all he had to do was go to the basket and jump and there was going

 

[robertfchew]

What player are you talking about that was a let off? I didn’t agree with Zeke’s suspension but I believe the league looked at some of the other off the field issues with him and wanted to send him a strong message. Zeke being suspended may have been the best thing that could’ve happened to him because it was a wake up call. Hopefully he’s learned his lesson. He found out that all that’s needed is an accusation to get in trouble. As for the the six games with no holding calls that’s just the way it’s gone.

Those who think there’s a conspiracy with that are just looking for something. Some here are so ridiculous they were trying to spin that it was already predetermined for the Patriots to win the Super Bowl. That’s just how ridiculous this fan base is. If anyone truly believes the league is conspiring against the Cowboys, can’t understand why they keep watching the game. This is nothing but BS from a frustrated fan base whose team has done nothing the past 20+ years. It’s fans looking for excuses. It’s not us it’s the leagues fault. lol

His name is Tremane Brock. The league claimed he didn't violate any policy. Isn't being arrested enough? If they wanted to send zeke a message they could have fine him years pay instead of making up bs charges that their own dv specialist said didn't warrant a penalty. Call it a conspiracy all you want but what else is it when the league domestic violence guru who was a prosecutor says the accuser is not credible. How else do you explain this? Its not a zero tolerance policy obviously. Doesn't matter that Brock is a no name. The rules are the rules and just like the catch thing thats being argued on here its 1000000% obvious the nfl has 2 sets of standards.

 

[JustChip]

The irrefutable evidence was that the going to the ground rule applied. The field official didn't rule that it did so when they reviewed, they applied the correct rule as they should have.



Oh don't get me wrong the refs DO screw stuff up. They're human so it happens. My problem is taking a human mistake and crying CONSPIRACY! because the mistake didn't favor us but then saying, "they owed us" when the mistake does favor us. So do people want a fairly called game or do they just want all calls to go our way?

I'm not crying conspiracy - just inconsistency. There is a measure of interpretation in the rule as it was in 2014 as well as conflict between the first part and the last part. The first part is the "football move" requirement, the last part is "surviving the ground".

You have to rule that Dez taking 2 steps with control of the ball and then lunging for the end-zone and extending the ball is not a football move and, therefore, is a continuation of "the catch" in order for the "surviving the ground" aspect to be pertinent. But if you rule that what Dez did was a "football move", then he's not in continuation of the catch and "surviving the ground" is not pertinent. Therefore, it becomes subjective and not fact whether it was a "football move" which is my point that the catch should've stood since it was ruled a catch on the field. I would be saying the same thing if they had rule incomplete on the field and upheld it.

The only leg to stand on regarding whether it was "football move" or not is that the 2014 rule didn't say "football move", it said "(i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent.....)". Clearly Dez wasn't in position to pitch it or pass it, nor to ward off an opponent, but I think it's fair enough to say he was attempting to advance it. Also, immediately after "opponent" is "etc." which again makes it subjective.

Essentially, even under the 2014 rule, Ertz's catch would've hinged on whether he made a football move or not. I think he did so the call was correct, but as with Dez, that's interpretation, not fact. Same with Jesse James.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Your interpretation of the clause is silly.

If it only applied to diving catches where there was no time to complete the catch process before hitting the ground...it wouldn't say that it applies when the act of catching the pass occurs while going to the ground.

The clause was interpreted since 2010 in a way that justified the ridiculous Calvin Johnson ruling. Your interpretation would mean that the "Calvin Johnson Rule" doesnt apply to the play it was named after.

This was a mistake on your part.

 

[KJJ]

I have read several of your posts on this specific page. Your comments here are the ones I copied because this is where you are making a mistake.

I posted the youtube video in my post above. Watch it.

The point in which your explanations, outside of conspiracy - is invalidated is at the beginning of the catch sequence.

Dez leaps up to catch the ball at the highest point, over the defender. Now watch his right leg as he comes down.

The defenders leg is still elevated, although he is going to the turf. Dez's leg hits the defenders leg. THIS CONSTITUTES CONTACT.

Dez begins falling forward. Now it doesn't make a difference if Dez Dez is leaping toward the endzone of merely falling forward. The CONTACT immediately after he comes down negates the football move becuase his is moving forward and down to the ground.

Let me restate this because so many people get confused here.

The contact immediately after coming down from his leap to secure the ball, takes away the football move because he is moving forward and down to the ground.

The reason it was called a catch is the ref did not notice the contact. Dez digging for the endzone was not a football move because he was still falling forward. Leaping or falling is the same in the context of the contact.

The ball was jarred loose by the ground, thus making it an incomplete pass. Once the contact was made and Dez headed to the ground, all the football moves you assume had no bearing.

But none of that mattered because Rodgers would have still gotten the ball back.

I’ve spent more time on this topic the past three years than any topic that’s ever been posted on this board and I’m not going to continue wasting my time with it. I haven’t made any mistakes some of you just want to keep arguing this topic.

 

[robertfchew]

I have read several of your posts on this specific page. Your comments here are the ones I copied because this is where you are making a mistake.

I posted the youtube video in my post above. Watch it.

The point in which your explanations, outside of conspiracy - is invalidated is at the beginning of the catch sequence.

Dez leaps up to catch the ball at the highest point, over the defender. Now watch his right leg as he comes down.

The defenders leg is still elevated, although he is going to the turf. Dez's leg hits the defenders leg. THIS CONSTITUTES CONTACT.

Dez begins falling forward. Now it doesn't make a difference if Dez Dez is leaping toward the endzone of merely falling forward. The CONTACT immediately after he comes down negates the football move becuase his is moving forward and down to the ground.

Let me restate this because so many people get confused here.

The contact immediately after coming down from his leap to secure the ball, takes away the football move because he is moving forward and down to the ground.

The reason it was called a catch is the ref did not notice the contact. Dez digging for the endzone was not a football move because he was still falling forward. Leaping or falling is the same in the context of the contact.

The ball was jarred loose by the ground, thus making it an incomplete pass. Once the contact was made and Dez headed to the ground, all the football moves you assume had no bearing.

But none of that mattered because Rodgers would have still gotten the ball back.

Again going by your standard there can be no more fines of players jacking up other players as long as they have been touched or caught the ball on two sturdy feet regardless of time of possession. Watch the Devante Adams and Trevathan play. He was on solid ground and had full possession so he's a runner and there can be no penalty. ALA the cook play last night he was a runner and got hit helmet to helmet and no call. So if dez was touched like you say then he's a runner with possesion. If he didn't have possession then the touch doesn't matter. Pick which standard we are gonna go by. Nfl rules are contradictory. For the record I think ertz scored but per nfl precedent he did not score and it should have been called back. And for your final statement why would you care if the td last night got called back, Philly was moving the ball at will and likely would have gotten a legit score anyways. So what would it have mattered?

 

[KJJ]

His name is Tremane Brock. The league claimed he didn't violate any policy. Isn't being arrested enough?

The NFL claimed there wasn’t any evidence. There were other issues with Zeke that I believe played a part in his suspension. I’m certainly not going to spend time on this. If you think there’s a bias against the Cowboys don’t watch the game.

 

[robertfchew]

I’ve spent more time on this topic the past three years than any topic that’s ever been posted on this board and I’m not going to continue wasting my time with it. I haven’t made any mistakes some of you just want to keep arguing this topic.

whats an offseason without arguing the dez Bryant catch.

 

[KJJ]

whats an offseason without arguing the dez Bryant catch.

We’re into the fourth offseason arguing it. That’s how sad this fan base is.

 

[nathanlt]

We’re into the fourth offseason arguing it. That’s how sad this fan base is.

There's no argument or controversy whatsoever, actually. Dez caught it, plain and simple. Blandino tweets #Dezcaughtit all the time now.

 

[KJJ]

There's no argument or controversy whatsoever, actually. Dez caught it, plain and simple. Blandino tweets #Dezcaughtit all the time now.

You’re still at it.