I do think Parsons was the guy all along

[Diehardblues]

Do you know for sure CHI didn't offer that to every team after the 2nd WR came off the board?

Gregg, one thing I do know for a fact. GM's do not value 1st round picks like we do. If they did, they wouldn't deal them so often.

Of course we didn’t know for sure. But we suspected they did or we probably don’t trade down as Giants had Parsons on their board too.

Usually in those situations teams like the Bears wanting to move up are offering everyone in front of them a deal. Not unrealistic to believe we heard Bears we’re on the prowl.

Amd if we had our sights on Parsons at that time must have known Giants were taking the deal.

 

[Diehardblues]

Those "experts" and analysts, how often are they wrong?

Of course they aren’t right all of the time. You and I both agreed with them going in to Draft Day.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Nope, not to me. Cowboys have stars on their helmets.

Well, there’s no way to rationally discuss this issue with you. Rookies are just as much a part of the team as a 10 year vet. They’re under contract. They’re Dallas Cowboys. End of story, but you relish your weird rationale.

 

[JoeKing]

Well, there’s no way to rationally discuss this issue with you. Rookies are just as much a part of the team as a 10 year vet. They’re under contract. They’re Dallas Cowboys. End of story, but you relish your weird rationale.

NOT the end of story! If they were Cowboys then why no star on their helmet? They are obviously star-less for a good reason... not Cowboys yet.

 

[Corso]

NOT the end of story! If they were Cowboys then why no star on their helmet? They are obviously star-less for a good reason... not Cowboys yet.

The Star, lol. They are signed contractees under the Dallas Cowboys.
They are Dallas Cowboys.

You so...
Don't want to get disparaging today.

 

[kskboys]

Those "experts" and analysts, how often are they wrong?

All depends which ones you pay attention to. The guys on TV? A lot. They're paid to give strong/cockamamie opinions.

The guys I pay attention to? Not all that often.

 

[kskboys]

Belechek actually builds his defenses from the secondary. You can't have a weak level of defense in the NFL.

We have a tackling machine at LB already in Jaylon Smith. Go look at his impressive tackling stats. They mean nothing.

We do not have a stud DT. We have some bigger guys and a lot of hope.

He really doesn't. Belly knows he can get frontline guys later in the draft and in FA. He always makes sure to have a strong front, and then the CB's are the final pieces.

 

[kskboys]

Of course we didn’t know for sure. But we suspected they did or we probably don’t trade down as Giants had Parsons on their board too.

Usually in those situations teams like the Bears wanting to move up are offering everyone in front of them a deal. Not unrealistic to believe we heard Bears we’re on the prowl.

Amd if we had our sights on Parsons at that time must have known Giants were taking the deal.

Listen. NYG and PHilly were targeting WR's. No danger at all.

However, teams after that, Chargers and Vikings, prolly would've taken Parsons.

You're really making something complicated that is not.

 

[Cowpolk]

Listen. NYG and PHilly were targeting WR's. No danger at all.

However, teams after that, Chargers and Vikings, prolly would've taken Parsons.

You're really making something complicated that is not.

I wanted Parsons and am glad we got him Cowboys could not have made a better selection in the 1st round and got an extra 3rd rounder while they were at it.

 

[john van brocklin]

At first, I thought it was nothing more than the usual spin from the front office trying to make themselves look good but the more I see this unfolding, I think that's a fact.

How does a CB help a defense that struggles against the run? Quinn was hired to fix that first and when the Legion of Boom was assembled, SEA already had a solid run defense.

Look at how Quinn devotes his time, he's all about the front 7 because that's where the leaks are.

There wasn't a DL ranked in the top 15 that could help with stopping the run, which is unusual for any draft, so what's the next best thing? A tackling machine MLB. A fast tackling machine MLB.

I don't think the Cowboys get him at 12 if he plays in 2020. His last college game was the Cotton Bowl where he was MVP with 14 tackles, 2 sacks and 2 forced fumbles and he is the first player in Penn State history to lead the team in tackles as a freshman and he only started 1 game. Let that sink in.

If you were apprehensive about this pick, you might want to revisit his last full season at the most famous college for LB's in history. That season was so special with just about every individual honor a player could get that he could afford to opt out in 2020 and still be regarded as a top 10 pick. I think if he plays in 2020, he's the first non QB off the board.

Every great Dallas D had that guy, that MLB that led the team in tackles, made drive stopping plays and lifted the D around him and I am not saying Micah Parsons is that guy but this team has to have that guy so taking him makes perfect sense to me. Because until we do find that guy, we do not field a true contender defense to play in January.

I wonder if we will ever know for sure?

 

[atlantacowboy]

He really doesn't. Belly knows he can get frontline guys later in the draft and in FA. He always makes sure to have a strong front, and then the CB's are the final pieces.

Go look at the Pats salary cap distribution. 3 of their top 6 most expensive players are DBs. Belechek was a secondary coach first and that is where he invests his cap money.

 

[Diehardblues]

Listen. NYG and PHilly were targeting WR's. No danger at all.

However, teams after that, Chargers and Vikings, prolly would've taken Parsons.

You're really making something complicated that is not.

Yea, no worries unless someone else wanted Parsons and traded up with Philly or NY.

Point is , theres always a risk if they’re still on the board.

And why the fact we didn’t select Parsons at the 10th pick tells me he wasn’t our first choice or we would have taken him there eager to get our guy.

As it turned out I think we probably got a better talent and the added pick was a bonus. But I’ll always believe the CB’s were on top of our board.

 

[Diehardblues]

Go look at the Pats salary cap distribution. 3 of their top 6 most expensive players are DBs. Belechek was a secondary coach first and that is where he invests his cap money.

Yep

He does make DL a priority in draft. And usually churns roster with a rotating DL . NE does a great job prioritizing their DL. And then often uses FA to land a DB if needed.

 

[kskboys]

Go look at the Pats salary cap distribution. 3 of their top 6 most expensive players are DBs. Belechek was a secondary coach first and that is where he invests his cap money.

OK, now you go look at how Belly always signs quality DT's for cheap. He doesn't have to pay for them and knows it, especially since he can make guys who are average or have been underachievers and get them to play at a higher level. Does it ever year. The latest is Lawrence Guy who was unnoteworthy at best coming in, but now is a top tier run stuffer.

Spending money and high draft picks on a position does not mean you don't value the other positions. Belly's emphasis in FA is on the DLine. Carl Davis is currently on the roster, another underachiever who he will get to play well, most likely.

 

[kskboys]

Yea, no worries unless someone else wanted Parsons and traded up with Philly or NY.

Point is , theres always a risk if they’re still on the board.

And why the fact we didn’t select Parsons at the 10th pick tells me he wasn’t our first choice or we would have taken him there eager to get our guy.

As it turned out I think we probably got a better talent and the added pick was a bonus. But I’ll always believe the CB’s were on top of our board.

Yeah, but now you're turning to couldawouldashoulda. You're basing your entire thought process on the "IF" strategy.

 

[Diehardblues]

Combination of things but it began when I backtracked after the draft.

Nolan was fired and Quinn hired because of the run D. I believe part of that problem was the MLB.

The best player on Quinn's D in SEA was the MLB. His absence changed the D as we saw when we played them in SEA. Nobody ran the ball on SEA except when Wagner was out.

The public love CAR expressed for Horn, I thought he was gone.

If DEN is rolling with their QB's, then their biggest need was CB with the QB's they face in the NFC West.

Jane Slater's unwavering matter of fact it would be Parsons and saying nothing beyond that. Somebody told her and suspect one of the Joneses, now she owes them.

Booger's comments about discounting any player that opted out was a smokescreen as he had absolutely no reason to make that statement except to throw others off the trail.

And the feeling I had all along every time someone mentioned the Cowboys taking a CB. How did that address the problem? It didn't make sense to me. No NFL team that is that bad in run D, because that's particularly embarrassing, is going to fix that with a CB. And tackling was the calling card of Parsons, it just made sense to me.

Alone, anyone of those is something to consider but combined, the conclusion was simple to me.

Sorry I didn’t pick up on this sooner but I went back and reread your thoughts on why you’ve changed your mind on who were our priorities with our 1st round.

Looks like the biggest reason is revolves around Quinn and the fact Wagner was a vital piece of his defense in Seattle.

And your analysis is Nolan was fired because of his run defense which I’d argue his entire defense was the culprit as he became the scapegoat for the season instead of McCarthy.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, but now you're turning to couldawouldashoulda. You're basing your entire thought process on the "IF" strategy.

Well, that’s what we do here is speculate based on the info we have. Ha

 

[kskboys]

Well, that’s what we do here is speculate based on the info we have. Ha

Yes, but the draft is not a set in stone process. For some odd reason, the interest in Parsons wasn't there. So, we were safe to trade back a couple slots for an extra third. If someone jumps ahead and gets him, ce la vie. Happens. You cannot base your entire draft strategy on those type things.

 

[kskboys]

Sorry I didn’t pick up on this sooner but I went back and reread your thoughts on why you’ve changed your mind on who were our priorities with our 1st round.

Looks like the biggest reason is revolves around Quinn and the fact Wagner was a vital piece of his defense in Seattle.

And your analysis is Nolan was fired because of his run defense which I’d argue his entire defense was the culprit as he became the scapegoat for the season instead of McCarthy.

It really appears as if Jerry stepped back and let Quinn get his guys. We haven't been taking guys like Diggy and Bohunk in forever.

 

[Diehardblues]

It really appears as if Jerry stepped back and let Quinn get his guys. We haven't been taking guys like Diggy and Bohunk in forever.

Who?? Lol