I feel that D Ware is going to blow up big time this year

[AdamJT13]

You just did

Let's see ... my post mentioned sacks, quarterback pressures, tackles and tackles for loss. And you somehow interpret that to mean that "pressures are the only measure of his success." Please.

Yes he did, so did Terrance Newman.

Newman had one. Ware had eight. Nice comparison there.

For a guy drafted where he was with the duties that he's been assigned, 8 sacks arent going to meet expectations.

Eight sacks was more than any Cowboys rookie in the past 32 years and only one away from tying the team rookie record, as well as the second-most among all rookies last season.

Thats his main responsibility. He rushes the passer probably 90% of the time.

Our opponents passed only 56 percent of the time, so he obviously wasn't rushing the passer 90 percent of the time.

Lets dont muddy the water with all these other jobs he has. He was drafted to rush the passer.

And he did that very well. Your mistake is thinking that sacks are the only way to make an impact as a pass-rusher.

I disagree. He was drafted to be a playmaker. He was a playmaer early and dissapeard for games at a time as the season went on.

Ware WAS a playmaker, and he was MORE of a playmaker as the season went on. Again, sacks aren't the only way to be a playmaker. They're a glamor stat whose impact is less than the attention they receive.

On third-and-3, what's the difference between 1) sacking the quarterback for a 3-yard loss; 2) stuffing the running back for a 3-yard loss ; and 3) pressuring the quarterback and forcing him to throw away the ball? To short-sighted fans as yourself, the first one is a huge deal and the other two are meaningless (or a sign of "disappearing"). But in reality, all three have almost the exact same result -- there is no difference between 1) and 2), and the difference between 1) and 3) is just 3 yards.

 

[Rack]

I swear, 50cent, you just don't get it. Either that, or you get it but you refuse to admit you are wrong.



And the whole point of the thread is that you think he was asked to gain 10 lbs so they could move him to the strong side and draft Manny Lawson, which is completely ignorant.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Meh, Nova is a troll IMO... He's always negative about everything.

Put me down in the camp that thinks Ware is going to be a monster. He's got incredible speed and quickness for a guy his size, and he was very good last year... Especially for someone who really didn't even know what he was doing. Once he learns this defense inside and out... Look out.

 

[50cent]

I swear, 50cent, you just don't get it. Either that, or you get it but you refuse to admit you are wrong.



And the whole point of the thread is that you think he was asked to gain 10 lbs so they could move him to the strong side and draft Manny Lawson, which is completely ignorant.

No actually you don't get it. BP loves versitility which Ware has. It was displayed all year last season when Ware lined up on both sides. He is capable of playing both WOLB and SOLB. Although, we don't have one healthy SOLB on our roster as of now besides Ware. Asking him to gain 10-15 covers our butt in case we can't get a true SOLB. The outside LBs duties are the same, they both most be stout vs. the run and able to get to the passer. Once again, name our starting SOLB that is on our roster that plays the run so exceptional that you feel comfortable with him in there? And once you don that, explain to me how he is more fitted to be the SOLB by outplaying Ware vs the run (the duty that everyone believes is the SOLB sole responsbility)?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

On the NFL Network last week, Bob Whitfield was the guest host. He broke down film of the pass rush ends in the NFL right now. He did it in conjunction with Mike Mayock's look at the OLB/DEs in this draft.

The guy he showed the most film of and commented most about was Demarcus Ware. He was very complimentary of Ware.

When you consider how stout Ware became against the run, the way he was able to play coverage and then the way he turned up the pressure on the QB in the last couple of games, you must be impressed with him.

If you aren't, you simply don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Rack]

:zzz:


You're the one dreaming up this crazy scenario where Ware has been asked to gain 10 lbs so he can play the strong side just so the cowboys could draft Manny Lawson.


Yet I'm the one that doesn't get it?


Oooooo k.

 

[50cent]

:zzz:


You're the one dreaming up this crazy scenario where Ware has been asked to gain 10 lbs so he can play the strong side just so the cowboys could draft Manny Lawson.


Yet I'm the one that doesn't get it?


Oooooo k.

Why can't you answer the question? Who would be our starting SOLB that is the run stopping beast that we were missing last season? Which one of our OLB plays the run better than Ware since he is below average?

Where did you see me state that Ware was asked to gain the weight to play OLB. I simply implied that by him gaining weight it covers our tails in case we can't get a true SOLB or if we have to settle for a smaller OLB thats better suited for the WOLB spot. My example was Lawson. I stated several times, that its not guarantees that some other team won't draft all of thes tweeners before we can get our hands on just one of them or if we even like any of these guys at 18.

Please answer the question now!

 

[Rack]

Why can't you answer the question? Who would be our starting SOLB that is the run stopping beast that we were missing last season?

Who started there last season? That would be Al Singleton.

Which one of our OLB plays the run better than Ware since he is below average?

You know what, Dude, I warned you about this. I asked you nicely NOT to spin doctor my posts or to put words in my mouth. I never said he was "Below average" in playing the run. Is that all you can so since you've obviously lost the debate?

Please answer the question now!

I already have. More then once.

Please, stop spin doctoring my posts. If you MUST "change" what people are saying in order to have a chance debating against them, then maybe internet forums aren't for you.

 

[dbair1967]

He wont get 8 again without an inside move and some creativity on Zimmers part.

He was shut down after teams got some film on him.

really? is that why he had his best game of the yr in game 15 against one of the best teams in the league? (3 sacks, 3 forced fumbles)

David

 

[Rack]

Where did you see me state that Ware was asked to gain the weight to play OLB. I simply implied that by him gaining weight it covers our tails in case we can't get a true SOLB or if we have to settle for a smaller OLB thats better suited for the WOLB spot. My example was Lawson.

BS.


link to your post


You're exact quote:

If BP wants him at 260, I think BP has in mind to move him to SLB and drafting Lawson to use his athletic ability on the other side.

You didn't imply anything. You didn't mention anything about it being a "Possibility" incase we couldn't find someone bigger to play SOLB. You made yourself quite clear.


If you insist on digging yourself into a deeper hole, you might want to use this...

 

[50cent]

Who started there last season? That would be Al Singleton.







You know what, Dude, I warned you about this. I asked you nicely NOT to spin doctor my posts or to put words in my mouth. I never said he was "Below average" in playing the run. Is that all you can so since you've obviously lost the debate?





I already have. More then once.

Please, stop spin doctoring my posts. If you MUST "change" what people are saying in order to have a chance debating against them, then maybe internet forums aren't for you.

Excuse me debate god Rack, but your the one spinning things as if your JJ or Stephen. I merely speculated that BP might want to move Ware since they asked him to add the weight. You then sir have turned that into me saying, Ware was asked to gain the weight so he would move to SOLB. You my friend are full of BS. If you think Singleton will be our starting SOLB. I for one have no idea if he can, but his play last season didn't warrant any confidence booster in his play. If it did, why would we bring in Fujita.

Now we have lost Fujita, Singleton, Burnett are coming off injuries, and the only guy that could play SOLB (Ayodele) will be moved to ILB. So, i still ask you, who is this guy that is guaranteed to shore up our SOLB play opposite of Ware? As of right now, Ware is the only player suited to do so. So yes, your right, it would be stupid to ask a player as versitile as Ware to move to the other side which has the same reponsibilities as the one he just learned to play. Oh yeah Ware, you won't have to go up against the best OTs anymore. You ca dominate those lesser RTs with your superior skill and still rush the passer like you did last year, i.e. Rams game.

 

[BigDFan5]

Excuse me quote]

So who would be the WWOLB if Ware moves? same dilemma the answer to where the SOLB comes from is the draft same as it is for WOLB if Ware was moved

 

[Rack]

You then sir have turned that into me saying, Ware was asked to gain the weight so he would move to SOLB.

No, YOU said it. CRYSTAL CLEAR.

I even put your EXACT quote and the link to that quote. There was absolutely NO spin doctoring whatsoever.

You're the one claiming I said Ware was below average vs the run, when I've clearly said numerous times throughout this thread that he is AVERAGE vs the run.

 

[Manster54]

:fight:

:laugh1:

 

[50cent]

Excuse me quote]

So who would be the WWOLB if Ware moves? same dilemma the answer to where the SOLB comes from is the draft same as it is for WOLB if Ware was moved

Its not the same dilemma, its easier to put a guy like Thornton over on the other side or Boiman for that matter. Thornton is not as talented as Ware, but he can put pressure on the Qb, but neither Thornton or Boiman are suited for the SOLB.

 

[50cent]

No, YOU said it. CRYSTAL CLEAR.

I even put your EXACT quote and the link to that quote. There was absolutely NO spin doctoring whatsoever.

You're the one claiming I said Ware was below average vs the run, when I've clearly said numerous times throughout this thread that he is AVERAGE vs the run.

Once again, I speculated what BP might have in mind. I never said that "Ware was actually told to gain the weight, because BP WAS moving him to SOLB." You need to learn to read better, spin doctor. Again, that speculation was based on the fact that he has been asked to gain weight.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

There are these things called Private Messages at the top right of the screen...

 

[Clove]

There are these things called Private Messages at the top right of the screen...

No, this is like watching TO play. This is really entertaining..

 

[bobbie brewskie]

50 cent do you not realize that if Ware was moved from WOLB to SOLB we are filling a need but creating a new one?

do you understand that Ware is potentially a great pass rusher off the Weakside. and is only Average at stopping the run. another 10 lbs is not so he can be moved to SOLB, 10 lbs added on to just about any player is a coaches dream as long as he maintains his other attributes/Strong suites.

basically moving ware away from his strong suite to fill a team need (in which he is not as good at) would just bust a hole in our WOLB position. if you can tell me somebody who is better than ware at the WOLB position and worse than him at the SOLB i would be happy to take your idea into mind, but since there is nobody you may as well get that idea out of your head, as ware will only play SOLB if we have multiple injuries and he is forced to make the switch.

 

[50cent]

50 cent do you not realize that if Ware was moved from WOLB to SOLB we are filling a need but creating a new one?

do you understand that Ware is potentially a great pass rusher off the Weakside. and is only Average at stopping the run. another 10 lbs is not so he can be moved to SOLB, 10 lbs added on to just about any player is a coaches dream as long as he maintains his other attributes/Strong suites.

basically moving ware away from his strong suite to fill a team need (in which he is not as good at) would just bust a hole in our WOLB position. if you can tell me somebody who is better than ware at the WOLB position and worse than him at the SOLB i would be happy to take your idea into mind, but since there is nobody you may as well get that idea out of your head, as ware will only play SOLB if we have multiple injuries and he is forced to make the switch.

I understand that, but I want to know if your understand that we don't have anyone opposite Ware suited to play SOLB. At 260 ware is the best fit to do it. We already have a need at SOLB (without any idea if we will be able to draft a true SOLB). My point is this, at this day and time we are hands down in the same prediciment at SOLB as last year. The guy that we traded for to play opposite Ware is gone. The other 2 are coming off injury. Its easier to have Ware play SOLB with Thornton as the WOLB and cover our shortcomings than to have Ware at WOLB and teams abuse us to the SOLB.

Realize, I am basing this on the assumption that the SOLB is SUPPOSED to have a greater run stopping ability which niether Thornton, Boiman, Shanle, Burnett , or Singleton have over Ware as of right now. I am also basing this on the fact that teams could draft Carpenter and Wimberly (guy more suited for SOLB) ahead of us. Forcing us to draft Lawson (who will weigh 240, 20LBs less than Ware if he gets to 260). In this scenario, which guy is better suited to play SOLB? Ware!!! Now if we are fortunate to grab a Wimberly or Carpenter, then this whole debate is useless, but as I've stated before, that not our right of passage. Lastly, for someone just to boldly say it ain't happening, because I say it ain't, is a hell of an debate.