I honestly think we can win with this staff

[PA Cowboy Fan]

When was the Super Bowl Parade under Garrett's reign of Greatness? No Super Bowls means Failure. We did not win anything unless a NFC East Crown in 2014 counts as your Super Bowl. Go ask Elway in Denver why Fox was fired. The Broncos have a higher standard of excellence then the TOP Sports Franchise in the entire world.

And Fox is a good coach. Better than what we got.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Continuity. Got to have that.

Meanwhile, let's lop off a few minor assistants and let Mike Pope retire.

Sounds like we made heads roll for all of this mess.

Continuity? the continuity of mediocrity as long as Garrett is HC.

 

[Idgit]

Most of the proponents of the staff

Forget:
The clock management issues
The ability to adjust to meet the advantages
The general dismay of penalties
General lack of execution at a given time when leadership is needed

Seriously

But, all y'all can carry on and beat that drum

Not me

A lot of us don't forget those things. We either reject the assessment, or we keep the mistakes in context. For example, the blown challenge this week was undeniably a bad challenge. That doesn't change the fact that the team has been generally really efficient with it's challenges under Garrett. Penalty dismay? Not sure what that means, but setting aside any correlation between winning and losing relating to penalties, we just haven't been victimized all that badly by them. (We're 10th in the league in penalties called, and 18th in penalty yardage against this year, if anybody's interested).

I don't know how you're measuring the 'general lack of execution at a given time when leadership is needed' so it's hard to debate that. My guess is that you're talking here about the times you're annoyed that a play didn't turn out right. That stuff all just falls into the tub of 'stuff I'm going to blame on the coach when the outcome is not what I want or expect.'
Some of that stuff might actually be on the coaches, but not all of it is. Deciding which is which isn't going to happen when the natives are as restless as they are this week, though, that's for sure.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Seems the OP and Jerry have some things in common . . . ..

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Continuity? the continuity of mediocrity as long as Garrett is HC.

Yes, and this guy is the example some here desire Garrett to be like

 

[MichaelWinicki]

A lot of us don't forget those things. We either reject the assessment, or we keep the mistakes in context. For example, the blown challenge this week was undeniably a bad challenge. That doesn't change the fact that the team has been generally really efficient with it's challenges under Garrett. Penalty dismay? Not sure what that means, but setting aside any correlation between winning and losing relating to penalties, we just haven't been victimized all that badly by them. (We're 10th in the league in penalties called, and 18th in penalty yardage against this year, if anybody's interested).

I don't know how you're measuring the 'general lack of execution at a given time when leadership is needed' so it's hard to debate that. My guess is that you're talking here about the times you're annoyed that a play didn't turn out right. That stuff all just falls into the tub of 'stuff I'm going to blame on the coach when the outcome is not what I want or expect.'
Some of that stuff might actually be on the coaches, but not all of it is. Deciding which is which isn't going to happen when the natives are as restless as they are this week, though, that's for sure.

This team is 3-8 for 3 reasons.

#1 The catastrophic injury to Romo
#2 The decision to make Weeden the buckup, which most likely wasn't a decision Garrett had a lot of control over
#3 The -12 turnover differential which is by far the worst in the NFL (the next worse team is -9)

If this team was even a -4 in turnover differential, we wouldn't be having this thread because the team would be at least 6-5 and that's with the Romo injuries.

Bottom line, you could have the exact same team next year as is on the field now, have a healthy Romo for at least 14 games, have a "0" turnover differential and be back in the playoffs.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

The Cowboys aren't winning with backups because they're last (by a wide margin) in turnover differential.

does it really matter why we lose, these coaches cannot coach them to wins unless Romo is playing.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Which is just like we did under Phillips against Minnesota. Minus the style points.

Hell, at least Wade was over .500 the three full years he coached here and actually won games without Romo.

 

[Coy]

Oh there will be bloodshed... Garrett probably will not be one of them... To me it doesn't matter much either way, but I can see the merit of not totally changing both offensive and defensive systems.

If we end up 4 - 12, do you think Garrett gets fired? that would mean he was the HC of a 1-11 team without his starting QB, not many could survive that.
In other words, do you think he is coaching for his job? or no matter what, he will be the HC next year.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

does it really matter why we lose, these coaches cannot coach them to wins unless Romo is playing.

Yeah it does matter.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If we end up 4 - 12, do you think Garrett gets fired? that would mean he was the HC of a 1-11 team without his starting QB, not many could survive that.
In other words, do you think he is coaching for his job? or no matter what, he will be the HC next year.

No.

I do not think he gets fired.

Again, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

 

[Coy]

This team is 3-8 for 3 reasons.

#1 The catastrophic injury to Romo
#2 The decision to make Weeden the buckup, which most likely wasn't a decision Garrett had a lot of control over
#3 The -12 turnover differential which is by far the worst in the NFL (the next worse team is -9)

If this team was even a -4 in turnover differential, we wouldn't be having this thread because the team would be at least 6-5 and that's with the Romo injuries.

Bottom line, you could have the exact same team next year as is on the field now, have a healthy Romo for at least 14 games, have a "0" turnover differential and be back in the playoffs.

I have a hard time believing Garrett couldn´t tell Jerry or Stephen, "hey boss, Weeden sucks, we need to go out there and bring a capable backup". He shares the blame IMHO.

 

[Coy]

No.

I do not think he gets fired.

Again, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

Thanks, I agree with you, I don´t understand it, but I do agree with you.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

If we end up 4 - 12, do you think Garrett gets fired? that would mean he was the HC of a 1-11 team without his starting QB, not many could survive that.
In other words, do you think he is coaching for his job? or no matter what, he will be the HC next year.

I know you didn't ask me but I butt in all the time. Reason one he will have his job because Jerry won't lose that much cash to pay him to go away.
Reason two is Jerry would have to admit he turned the team over to a guy who wasn't any where near ready to HC the Cowboys.
He already cut the prettiest passer he's ever seen in Weeden. How much could we expect Jerry to take in one season?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Jason is the HC next year I think.

 

[Idgit]

I know you didn't ask me but I butt in all the time. Reason one he will have his job because Jerry won't lose that much cash to pay him to go away.
Reason two is Jerry would have to admit he turned the team over to a guy who wasn't any where near ready to HC the Cowboys.
He already cut the prettiest passer he's ever seen in Weeden. How much could we expect Jerry to take in one season?

Jerry'd fire Garrett if he thought the team was going to be worse next year under Garrett than it would be under another available coach. I'm surprised Cowboys fans legitimately doubt that, knowing Jerry like they should.
The problem you guys who want him replaced have is that Jerry actually genuinely likes Garrett and genuinely thinks we've got a good staff in place. He might be wrong (I don't think he is, but he might be), but the coaching salary won't be the concern, and the blow to his ego is irrelevant. Jerry's got way, way more to lose by having a noncompetitive team or, worse yet, a team that's quit on its staff to try to market for the next four years. He wouldn't be happy about eating the salaries, but he's not going to let a sunk cost get in the way of the right business decision. No way.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I have a hard time believing Garrett couldn´t tell Jerry or Stephen, "hey boss, Weeden sucks, we need to go out there and bring a capable backup". He shares the blame IMHO.

Oh I don't think there's anyone associated with the team that didn't think Weeden was sub-par. The game last year vs. the Cards exposed all of his warts. Plus they watched him in practice day in and day out. They knew what they had. But he was kept for three reasons:

1. He was cheap... like $600K for the season, which allowed the team to spend elsewhere like the Dez extension and Hardy.
2. They took a calculated risk that Romo would not suffer a severe injury this season so maybe Weeden would do like last year... get in a couple games and start one.

I'm not saying going with Weeden was a smart, dumb or whatever. If Romo had not suffered his severe injuries, Weeden would have been a moot point.

But it is what it is. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Jerry'd fire Garrett if he thought the team was going to be worse next year under Garrett than it would be under another available coach. I'm surprised Cowboys fans legitimately doubt that, knowing Jerry like they should.
The problem you guys who want him replaced have is that Jerry actually genuinely likes Garrett and genuinely thinks we've got a good staff in place. He might be wrong (I don't think he is, but he might be), but the coaching salary won't be the concern, and the blow to his ego is irrelevant. Jerry's got way, way more to lose by having a noncompetitive team or, worse yet, a team that's quit on its staff to try to market for the next four years. He wouldn't be happy about eating the salaries, but he's not going to let a sunk cost get in the way of the right business decision. No way.

8-8 8-8 8-8 Good season then this. Yup injuries, I get it. Then I watched Denver win last night with a guy named Brock. In a snow storm. Brady with an O line he doesn't even know and WRs off the street basically.
The Cowboys have been selling for the last 20 years with out doing much on the field. They will sell a few more years and every one incuding Jerry knows that. I mean he has museum quality art pieces in the stadium for pete's sake.
I think we all know Jerry pretty well. We know how much he loves him some credit and hates to be wrong. If JG wins any thing before Jerry bites it he will have ended up being right. If he bites it first it won't matter.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yeah it does matter.

tell me then, how is it other teams can be coached to get turnovers and this coaching staff cannot do so?

 

[Sasquatch]

Which is just like we did under Phillips against Minnesota. Minus the style points.

Disgraceful that our D allowed a gimpy Rodgers to tear us apart.