I honestly think we can win with this staff

[MichaelWinicki]

tell me then, how is it other teams can be coached to get turnovers and this coaching staff cannot do so?

I think the whole "coaching of turnovers" is kinda crap. Every coach teaches "get turnovers". But it has much more to do with luck and the bounce of the ball as it does with players running the correct routes or throwing to the correct spot. You can only coach these guys to a point and then they're on their own to succeed or fail... And sometimes it's just your opponent making a good play.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

8-8 8-8 8-8 Good season then this. Yup injuries, I get it. Then I watched Denver win last night with a guy named Brock. In a snow storm. Brady with an O line he doesn't even know and WRs off the street basically.
The Cowboys have been selling for the last 20 years with out doing much on the field. They will sell a few more years and every one incuding Jerry knows that. I mean he has museum quality art pieces in the stadium for pete's sake.
I think we all know Jerry pretty well. We know how much he loves him some credit and hates to be wrong. If JG wins any thing before Jerry bites it he will have ended up being right. If he bites it first it won't matter.

That's a valid point about Denver/Brock.

And the thing is they came this close [ ] to losing. And NE was decimated on offense, featuring maybe the worst OL in football at the moment.

Hey the Cowboys came darned close to beating several teams.

 

[Idgit]

8-8 8-8 8-8 Good season then this. Yup injuries, I get it. Then I watched Denver win last night with a guy named Brock. In a snow storm. Brady with an O line he doesn't even know and WRs off the street basically.
The Cowboys have been selling for the last 20 years with out doing much on the field. They will sell a few more years and every one incuding Jerry knows that. I mean he has museum quality art pieces in the stadium for pete's sake.
I think we all know Jerry pretty well. We know how much he loves him some credit and hates to be wrong. If JG wins any thing before Jerry bites it he will have ended up being right. If he bites it first it won't matter.

None of that changes what I said above. Jerry's not going to let coaches' salaries get in the way of marketing his team. And we haven't gone 20 years without doing much on the field. That period includes Parcels, the new stadium project, the run in 2007-2009, and last year's run.

Like it or not, guys, the team management actually likes the way this team has been coached under Jason Garrett. No amount of you guys not wanting that to be true is going to change that.

And I'd categorically dismiss the notion that Jerry's ego benefits from having a bad coach running his team. Or that Jerry's had anywhere near the success he's had in his life while getting manipulated into making such obvious organizational mistakes by something as childish as a big ego. That's a caricature that's drawn with a crayon.

That said, if a legitimate upgrade is out there, the organization would take it. Right now, that pretty much means Sean Payton as far as I'm concerned. But if another legitimate coach shakes loose between now and the start of next offseason, we'll consider him.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I think the whole "coaching of turnovers" is kinda crap. Every coach teaches "get turnovers". But it has much more to do with luck and the bounce of the ball as it does with players running the correct routes or throwing to the correct spot. You can only coach these guys to a point and then they're on their own to succeed or fail... And sometimes it's just your opponent making a good play.

And we have a bunch of stone handed defensive players. We have had a decent amount of defensive drops.

 

[cowboyblue22]

the dallas cowboys will NEVER win a super bowl with Jason garrett as head coach.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

None of that changes what I said above. Jerry's not going to let coaches' salaries get in the way of marketing his team. And we haven't gone 20 years without doing much on the field. That period includes Parcels, the new stadium project, the run in 2007-2009, and last year's run.

Like it or not, guys, the team management actually likes the way this team has been coached under Jason Garrett. No amount of you guys not wanting that to be true is going to change that.

And I'd categorically dismiss the notion that Jerry's ego benefits from having a bad coach running his team. Or that Jerry's had anywhere near the success he's had in his life while getting manipulated into making such obvious organizational mistakes by something as childish as a big ego. That's a caricature that's drawn with a crayon.

That said, if a legitimate upgrade is out there, the organization would take it. Right now, that pretty much means Sean Payton as far as I'm concerned. But if another legitimate coach shakes loose between now and the start of next offseason, we'll consider him.

I didn't say Jerry hasn't made splashes in 20 years. I said we haven't done much on the field and we haven't. Big difference IMO.
Give me Ralph Wilson stadium any day of the week if we are winning SBs. The house doesn't impress me. I liked Texas stadium, we won there.
To me the Cowboys are Jerry's play toy. He would have survived fine with out ever owning them. How may here have said they will switch teams
if they don't start winning again? .5%? Jerry knows the fans are loyal no matter the product.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

the dallas cowboys will NEVER win a super bowl with Jason garrett as head coach.

But are you ever going to quit watching?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And we have a bunch of stone handed defensive players. We have had a decent amount of defensive drops.

That figures into it too.

Bottom line is that next year IF you had exactly the same staff you could see the team have a positive turnover differential... Yep, with EXACTLY the same coaching.

 

[cowboyblue22]

no I will still watch I have lasted twenty years so I guess I will go longer I remember the good days more than I do the last twenty

 

[Dave_in-NC]

That figures into it too.

Bottom line is that next year IF you had exactly the same staff you could see the team have a positive turnover differential... Yep, with EXACTLY the same coaching.

I really don't have a problem with our defense. I think they have been fine for the most part. But our offense even last year was to predictable.
I think even with a healthy team this season wouldn't have matched last years.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

no I will still watch I have lasted twenty years so I guess I will go longer I remember the good days more than I do the last twenty

That's my point. No matter the product we will watch every stinking game. The popularity of the Cowboys will attract the youngsters. Jerry can't lose.

 

[Idgit]

I didn't say Jerry hasn't made splashes in 20 years. I said we haven't done much on the field and we haven't. Big difference IMO.
Give me Ralph Wilson stadium any day of the week if we are winning SBs. The house doesn't impress me. I liked Texas stadium, we won there.
To me the Cowboys are Jerry's play toy. He would have survived fine with out ever owning them. How may here have said they will switch teams
if they don't start winning again? .5%? Jerry knows the fans are loyal no matter the product.

We've been competitive on the field in spurts during that time, too.

Look, say what you want about Jerry, but he spends money to try to field a good team when he can. There's no reason to pretend he's not going to do it next year, either. In his mind, if he can upgrade the team, he will. The problem you've got is that he's not going to see most possible coaching changes as an upgrade.

 

[Jarv]

A lot of us don't forget those things. We either reject the assessment, or we keep the mistakes in context. For example, the blown challenge this week was undeniably a bad challenge. That doesn't change the fact that the team has been generally really efficient with it's challenges under Garrett. Penalty dismay? Not sure what that means, but setting aside any correlation between winning and losing relating to penalties, we just haven't been victimized all that badly by them. (We're 10th in the league in penalties called, and 18th in penalty yardage against this year, if anybody's interested).

I don't know how you're measuring the 'general lack of execution at a given time when leadership is needed' so it's hard to debate that. My guess is that you're talking here about the times you're annoyed that a play didn't turn out right. That stuff all just falls into the tub of 'stuff I'm going to blame on the coach when the outcome is not what I want or expect.'
Some of that stuff might actually be on the coaches, but not all of it is. Deciding which is which isn't going to happen when the natives are as restless as they are this week, though, that's for sure.

After 5 years of basically .500 ball that is mediocrity. Something has to change and it isn't going to be the GM....the scapegoat may end up being JG so the owners can save face...at least i hope so.

 

[Doomsay]

Damn players just need to execute, I suppose. The same players have been failing Jason for the better part of a decade, but they have not quit on him.. Just not executed. If that makes sense.

 

[khiladi]

The Cowboys aren't winning with backups because they're last (by a wide margin) in turnover differential.

Because they play conservative in every respect... They are trying to get back to 2010 and they are putting that much pressure on the defense to win, knowing it was their weakest link in the beginning of the season.

That's how incompetent the staff is. Jason isn't getting 20 TOs in 8 games from his defense, like he did in 2010, when Jerry went wild and they had nothing to lost after being eliminated from the playoffs. And that rarely works against good teams and you play close against bad teams. That's why we were 0-7 this year.

And when they fired Rob Ryan, they used the same excuse, which was he didn't generate enough TOs to get the offense more opportunities.

 

[khiladi]

When was the Super Bowl Parade under Garrett's reign of Greatness? No Super Bowls means Failure. We did not win anything unless a NFC East Crown in 2014 counts as your Super Bowl. Go ask Elway in Denver why Fox was fired. The Broncos have a higher standard of excellence then the TOP Sports Franchise in the entire world.

We won the division twice under Wade and you can be damn sure Jim Garrett and Stephen Jones were in Jerry's ear to pull the trigger to fire him, despite Jason's stagnant offense.

I wouldn't be surprised if these guys were leaking stuff to the media those days...

 

[fifaguy]

Brock Osweiler.....

Let's keep it going!!

Mike Vick, Landry Jones..

 

[TXCowboyVol]

We didn't almost go to a superbowl. We almost went to the NFC championship game.

We would've beaten Seattle, in Seattle, again....that's why I said that. We were simply the better team than them last year. Would we have beaten NE....well that's a whole other story...

 

[SultanOfSix]

Win at Bingo.

Romo going down exposed Garrett for what he is.

The team scored six points against Tampa Bay, a team they stopped in the red zone twice with two turnovers.

 

[Aven8]

Mike Vick, Landry Jones..

Drum rollllllllllll................

Ryan Fitzpatrick.