I like what i saw from Lance

[_sturt_]

Take a look at Jordan Loves HS and College stats. Not an even close comparison.

(I swear, if Rich Eisen ever needs a stand-in for his "Overreaction Monday" segment, I'm the right guy. )


My friend, I specified "first preseason games."

So, the intended comparison is between Love's preseason games after his rookie season (2022) and now, Lance's first games, with this for all intents and purposes being his first potentially useful season after his SF stint.

Here's what was said about Love after his first 2022 preseason game...
https://thecomeback.com/nfl/packers-jordan-love-preseason-opener.html

Here's what was being said about him ahead of last season...
https://dairylandexpress.com/2023/02/15/packers-qb-jordan-love-scouting-report-development/

 

[ChronicCowboy]

At this rate of development, he’ll be 30 before he’s able to contribute. Dude ain’t it.

 

[Rockport]

Give examples.

specific plays of the ps game.

I’m not going to do that. You’re entitled to your opinion on Lance. I’m rooting for him.

 

[Chasing6]

(I swear, if Rich Eisen ever needs a stand-in for his "Overreaction Monday" segment, I'm the right guy. )


My friend, I specified "first preseason games."

So, the intended comparison is between Love's preseason games after his rookie season (2022) and now, Lance's first games, with this for all intents and purposes being his first potentially useful season after his SF stint.

Here's what was said about Love after his first 2022 preseason game...
https://thecomeback.com/nfl/packers-jordan-love-preseason-opener.html

Here's what was being said about him ahead of last season...
https://dairylandexpress.com/2023/02/15/packers-qb-jordan-love-scouting-report-development/

Yes, and what comes before rookie preseason games? HS and College experience, which Trance for the most part has zero.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

That makes one Trey Lance fan

 

[America's Cowboy]

They need to let him throw down the field more.

McCarthy called up 7 - 8 mid-to-deep open developing plays for him, but Lance never saw the open receivers.

 

[America's Cowboy]

as i wrote he played 19 game sin college. And around 5 in the NFL.

And that was my main point: The guy has no experience at all. Still with only one season in college he was able to take over the starting position of the 49ers in his 2nd nfl season.

lol...wow. You don't even understand why Lance was given the starting role in San Fran after only 1 season of college experience. It's for the same reason you fail to understand Lance was off the 49ers team a season later.

 

[erod]

I have to admit i was very surprised by all the negative threads and posts about Lance. I was irritated because i liked what i saw from him.

I can understand that some were disappointed. But i think those people are not aware where Lance does come from - how his career looked so far. So let me clarify a bit, maybe you all will change your opinion.

Trey Lance has essentially no game experience at the position. He made a very quick jump from college to the pros.

colllege career:

1. year: redshirted it
2. year: Lance played his only season in college. He broke several records.
3. year: The season was postponed becasue of COVID. He played only one game. When the season was scheduled to be continued in early 2021 Lance opted to declare for the NFL draft.

NFL career:

2021: He was drafted and was 2nd QB in that season. Never was the starter and sat behind Garappolo. He took over for an injured Garappolo. Got injured himself in that game. Essentially he was the no 2 QB and had only a few plays that season.
2022: Starter over Garappolo. Season ending ankle injury during week 2. Needed two surgeries. In 2022 Purdy took over and led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game
2023: Lance got traded to us also because the 49ers found themself their franchise qb.

Conclusion:

So Lance played essentially 16 Games (+3 in those other 2 seasons) during his college career.
Then in the NFL has basically no (~ 3 games) experience.

Lance was a high draft pick that cost the 49ers a lot. The 49ers found a gem with Purdy. So their investment for Lance can be projected on Purdy. They have what they want, for them it doesnt matter for whom they invested their picks.

Lances career can be compared to the late career with the career ending injury of Tony Romo: Romo got hurt, Dak was found by Dallas and Dallas never looked back. Same with the 49ers with Purdy and Lance.

What did i see, what did i like:

So now that we all know how little experience Lance has i was surprised how positive he looked during the game.

- I think he controlled the play calls very well
- he also audibled some. Which i didnt expect him to be able to do. He looked in control during those times.
- He looked calm during passing downs. managed the pocket well. He showed some jitters but so few that i also was surprised by his calmness.
- Some throws were overthrown, but they were still good reads. Not being able to read a defense is hard to teach or takes at least some time (just look at our "best shape of my life" QB). I was surprised he seems to be able to do that with that less of experience.
- That overthrow stuff to me right now is less concerning. Will he do it in half a year ask me again about it.
- the guy makes throwing look so natural and easy. I havent seen that in an QB for quite some time.
- i like the way he buys time in the pocket. It looks like he needs just two steps to find himself outside the tackle box and have bought him enough time to find a free receiver. That you cant teach in my opinion.
- the guy is a real threat in the running game.

Overall i liked what i have seen from Lance. I never expected him to be near a nfl starting level. I read so much negativ stuff during last season and this off season about his development. But nothing seems to be really true after this first ps game. I am really looking forward watching him in game 2.

He was wildly inaccurate. Horrible.

The tools are there for sure, but he throws like he's blindfolded.

 

[CWR]

Where did i say that ? Please dont make stuff up just because you wanr to bash my post.

I wrote that he was able to make good reads. Thats more than Dak could in the beginning of his career. And dak still has big issues with that. Thats not only my take, watch kurt warners take on his pre snap reads.

If you weren't intentionally slanted I apologize, and I'll leave it as we simply disagree.

Dak came out making better reads and is actually pretty good at reading a field. He runs into problems when we have zero run support and they are playing coverage. I've watched him progress to his 3rd and 4th reads time and again. You don't put up his numbers if you "have big issues" reading the field.

To be clear I was on the fence with re-signing him. I like our qb, but felt similar with Romo. He isn't or hasn't been good enough.

I'm not anymore. Lance isnt the answer. 4 yards a pass isnt reading the field. It's dumping the ball off because you were too slow to actually read the field. Additionally I have zero faith if we didn't sign Dak that we'd actually use the cap relief aggressively.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I love the argument that "he just doesn't have the experience yet."

Um, he doesn't have the experience because he hasn't been good enough for anyone to put on the field.

And he still isn't.

 

[CWR]

I’m not going to do that. You’re entitled to your opinion on Lance. I’m rooting for him.

So am I but it can only work if he takes a minimal deal for the next 2 seasons in order to stay and develop. His contract may become the sticking point. Does he go elsewhere for a short term pay day or does he stay and bet on himself?

That's why I don't think he's the answer. He could be, but we don't know and he's too far away to find out without paying up. Maybe he shows more the next few games.

 

[Rockport]

So am I but it can only work if he takes a minimal deal for the next 2 seasons in order to stay and develop. His contract may become the sticking point. Does he go elsewhere for a short term pay day or does he stay and bet on himself?

That's why I don't think he's the answer. He could be, but we don't know and he's too far away to find out without paying up. Maybe he shows more the next few games.

All the people that really know Lance say he just needs snaps. The only way he’s going to get that is in the UFL. I don’t think the Cowboys resign him in 2025 and allow him to go and gain some experience. He’s still young and has the physical tools to excel.

 

[DandyDon52]

I was waiting for this part. See first we all saw the game and the immediate reaction, based on the fact that we saw it live, was that Lance was bad and he had not improved at any of his weaknesses in college. Now we are the coping part where we try to pretend that what we saw with our eyes was not really what we saw.

Well it is hard to take you serious since your avatar is rowdy lol.
But I watched it live, and he wasnt bad, he just wasnt great.
It is all about expectations. Mine were realistic, and you and others, were off in fantasy land or something.

Here is another argument I will shoot down.
Many of you have said if shanahan gave up on him, and (Shan is a off genius) then that says trey must be awful.
Well if SF and shanny are so smart, why did they draft trey in the first place ?? Why did they give up 3 1sts to get him??

To me that makes shanny look like a moron and same for the SF front office, as that was the worst drafting ever ! The worst player
evaluation ever, and now you want me to believe that these same morons "know" he is bad ?? Uh no , I think I will do my own evaluation, and so should
the cowboys.
Also it isnt about taking over for dak, it is can he be a good bkup, or someday a starter? Also can he get good enough to warrant a trade where
dallas could get a pick back for him?

 

[DandyDon52]

So am I but it can only work if he takes a minimal deal for the next 2 seasons in order to stay and develop. His contract may become the sticking point. Does he go elsewhere for a short term pay day or does he stay and bet on himself?

That's why I don't think he's the answer. He could be, but we don't know and he's too far away to find out without paying up. Maybe he shows more the next few games.

good point, he will have to take less to stay here or really any other team.
He has to show a lot more to get a bigger payday.

 

[Big D]

Interesting how all of these people with positive outlooks on Lance's play are the very same ones who see nothing but doom and gloom in Dak's.

 

[rambo2]

I have to admit i was very surprised by all the negative threads and posts about Lance. I was irritated because i liked what i saw from him.

I can understand that some were disappointed. But i think those people are not aware where Lance does come from - how his career looked so far. So let me clarify a bit, maybe you all will change your opinion.

Trey Lance has essentially no game experience at the position. He made a very quick jump from college to the pros.

colllege career:

1. year: redshirted it
2. year: Lance played his only season in college. He broke several records.
3. year: The season was postponed becasue of COVID. He played only one game. When the season was scheduled to be continued in early 2021 Lance opted to declare for the NFL draft.

NFL career:

2021: He was drafted and was 2nd QB in that season. Never was the starter and sat behind Garappolo. He took over for an injured Garappolo. Got injured himself in that game. Essentially he was the no 2 QB and had only a few plays that season.
2022: Starter over Garappolo. Season ending ankle injury during week 2. Needed two surgeries. In 2022 Purdy took over and led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game
2023: Lance got traded to us also because the 49ers found themself their franchise qb.

Conclusion:

So Lance played essentially 16 Games (+3 in those other 2 seasons) during his college career.
Then in the NFL has basically no (~ 3 games) experience.

Lance was a high draft pick that cost the 49ers a lot. The 49ers found a gem with Purdy. So their investment for Lance can be projected on Purdy. They have what they want, for them it doesnt matter for whom they invested their picks.

Lances career can be compared to the late career with the career ending injury of Tony Romo: Romo got hurt, Dak was found by Dallas and Dallas never looked back. Same with the 49ers with Purdy and Lance.

What did i see, what did i like:

So now that we all know how little experience Lance has i was surprised how positive he looked during the game.

- I think he controlled the play calls very well
- he also audibled some. Which i didnt expect him to be able to do. He looked in control during those times.
- He looked calm during passing downs. managed the pocket well. He showed some jitters but so few that i also was surprised by his calmness.
- Some throws were overthrown, but they were still good reads. Not being able to read a defense is hard to teach or takes at least some time (just look at our "best shape of my life" QB). I was surprised he seems to be able to do that with that less of experience.
- That overthrow stuff to me right now is less concerning. Will he do it in half a year ask me again about it.
- the guy makes throwing look so natural and easy. I havent seen that in an QB for quite some time.
- i like the way he buys time in the pocket. It looks like he needs just two steps to find himself outside the tackle box and have bought him enough time to find a free receiver. That you cant teach in my opinion.
- the guy is a real threat in the running game.

Overall i liked what i have seen from Lance. I never expected him to be near a nfl starting level. I read so much negativ stuff during last season and this off season about his development. But nothing seems to be really true after this first ps game. I am really looking forward watching him in game 2.

I liked the Noah Fant running free in the endzone and for some unknown reason Lance throws it to a covered guy.

 

[Adreme]

Well it is hard to take you serious since your avatar is rowdy lol.
But I watched it live, and he wasnt bad, he just wasnt great.
It is all about expectations. Mine were realistic, and you and others, were off in fantasy land or something.

Here is another argument I will shoot down.
Many of you have said if shanahan gave up on him, and (Shan is a off genius) then that says trey must be awful.
Well if SF and shanny are so smart, why did they draft trey in the first place ?? Why did they give up 3 1sts to get him??

To me that makes shanny look like a moron and same for the SF front office, as that was the worst drafting ever ! The worst player
evaluation ever, and now you want me to believe that these same morons "know" he is bad ?? Uh no , I think I will do my own evaluation, and so should
the cowboys.
Also it isnt about taking over for dak, it is can he be a good bkup, or someday a starter? Also can he get good enough to warrant a trade where
dallas could get a pick back for him?

"I cant take people seriously who do not put time into online digital avatars because that is how tell sincerity". Are you real? I have read some bad takes on here but never one I considered pathetic. People can enjoy doing what they want but if you consider whether one bothers to put a random picture next to their relevant to an argument... that is just sad. There is no other way to describe it.

Next up lets talk your expectations. If your expectations were that he would look, at best, like he belongs with a bunch of players who will not be on NFL rosters or at best young players on practice squads as he enters his 4th season, you are expecting him to not be an NFL QB. Even a low end backup QB would pop off the tape against the competition he faced and he did it so your expectations were that he should not in the NFL.

As for why the 49ers drafted him (though the coach does not draft the player so not sure why you put his name in you should be putting Lynch's name in there), they likely saw a ton of potential and with his physical gifts figured they could coach him up. They realized how bad he is after spending 2.5 years trying to coach him up and the end result is that he was worse than Sam Darnold. The fact that the Cowboys overpaid for a player who had just lost to Sam Darnold was the mistake. Meanwhile the 49ers are fine with how it worked out. They double dipped on QB in the draft and the second ended up working out. I am not about to chastise the team that is overflowing with talent for how they draft and acquire talent because they are very clearly quite good at it. Its like dinging a model because her right shoulder is sunburned.

 

[_sturt_]

Yes, and what comes before rookie preseason games? HS and College experience, which Trance for the most part has zero.

Incoherent to reply to me and my post, then. My comment was explicitly, precisely about that singular comparison.

But, but, but.

Let's agree with your exceptional insight... why not, after all... it only actually makes the larger point here that much stronger... ie, that it's stupid premature to be reaching grandiose fatalist conclusions about Trey Lance's career.

It's one damn game, folks. Sheesh.

 

[Chasing6]

Incoherent to reply to me and my post, then. My comment was explicitly, precisely about that singular comparison.

But, but, but.

Let's agree with your exceptional insight... why not, after all... it only actually makes the larger point here that much stronger... ie, that it's stupid premature to be reaching grandiose fatalist conclusions about Trey Lance's career.

It's one damn game, folks. Sheesh.

He does not have a career, it is an illusion based on athletic potential with zero experience.

 

[Chasing6]

Incoherent to reply to me and my post, then. My comment was explicitly, precisely about that singular comparison.

But, but, but.

Let's agree with your exceptional insight... why not, after all... it only actually makes the larger point here that much stronger... ie, that it's stupid premature to be reaching grandiose fatalist conclusions about Trey Lance's career.

It's one damn game, folks. Sheesh.

Maybe Lebron's son should switch to become an NFL QB. He is very athletic, is young and has potential. He has also played about the same amount of football.