I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning

[TheSkaven]

Have you never watched Peyton Manning play?

Exactly. He was like a machine this year, best quarterback in the league right now (yes, better than Brees). I'm not a big fan of the Mannings, but to question Peyton's talent seems dubious at best.

 

[Hostile]

Not sure how much respect you had for him if you call him Payton instead of Peyton.

:wink2:

 

[thssanders]

well at least we know peyton is human after all. Prior to this game, i would bet all the money i had that if he has a chance at the end to make a drive to win the game, he would make it. It wouldn't matter what defense he was facing, i would still bet all i had on him.

 

[Concord]

That was not my point. If shaking his hand meant respect or disrespect to Brees or Payton personally, I would say yes, do it. But overall in the real (not superficial world) that we live in, it did not. He gave those guys all kinds of respect and even went beyond that by contacting them after the game. They were not offended, so why should we be? If the tables were turned, Manning, I'm sure, would not have been offended either.

My point was, just because it looks good to you (or, actually me too) for him to do it does not mean it's right or wrong to those involved. In other words, he's not going to do it just to make you personally happy...it would have not value at all then (hebce style over substance).

Sorry I just don't agree with you.

It's easy to shake a guys hand when you win...it's the true test of a man to do it when he loses.

I've always thought Manning seemed to act like a baby when things don't go his way...and this just cemented it to me.

And you need to get off this personal stuff...I really don't care one way or the other...someone posted a thread and I offered my opinion on the matter.

My opinion is he showed poor sportsmanship...no skin off my back...but it is off of Manning's...cause he's the one doing the explaining.

 

[Clarkson]

Whoever taught him how to move his feet was a horrible coach. Have never ever seen another QB hop around like he does in the pocket. How come Montana, Marino, Elway, Aikman, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, Young, Rivers, Brees never hopped around in the pocket like Manning does. First, every defense stopped listening his fake calls 2 years ago. He is not a bright guy. Romo is smarter than him.

You're the one who's not bright.
Manning is one of the best QBs ever. I won't sit there and criticize the way he plays. He can hop around all he wants. He makes plays and wins games.

No one said you have to be a genius to play QB. However, Peyton studies harder than any other QB. He recognizes what the defense is doing faster than any QB out there. To do that, you have to be pretty dang smart. I see you don't know much about that, though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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[ajk23az]

What a dumb thread..

 

[RS12]

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

Who is great on that supporting cast? I see alot of average to slightly above talent on Indy.

 

[Bleu Star]

I saw nothing that would make me lose respect for Manning. The moment belonged to the Saints

This.

 

[odog422]

he did do that he may not have done it on your time table but he did get with Brees after the game to congratulate him. If you want to find reasons to rag on manning that is your own deal as far as the people involved go Manning did get with Brees and Brees acknowledged this.

He sent him a text mesage. Not the same. I'm not looking for reasons, I'm offering my opinion on the topic. People can do that without having ulterior motives, you know.

 

[odog422]

Sorry I just don't agree with you.

It's easy to shake a guys hand when you win...it's the true test of a man to do it when he loses.

I've always thought Manning seemed to act like a baby when things don't go his way...and this just cemented it to me.

And you need to get off this personal stuff...I really don't care one way or the other...someone posted a thread and I offered my opinion on the matter.

My opinion is he showed poor sportsmanship...no skin off my back...but it is off of Manning's...cause he's the one doing the explaining.

This is my point also. All the stuff about the chaos on the field is irrelevant. He didn't even make an attempt.

And apparently it is significant enough that it was noticed and questioned.

 

[jimmy40]

I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning because I saw nothing but a crybaby on the sidelines - complaining and not leading in a game where his leadership was needed the most.

Manning’s team responded in-kind and QB-Superman started to look like Clark Kent, and throwing like him too, real fast.

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

On top of that, his crybaby antics carried over to the post game; Manning shook no opponents' hands. He just quickly dashed/disappeared into his own locker room, kind of like a bully does with shame, after getting his *** kicked by the scrawny kid he was harassing.

I expect more from a QB that everyone touts as the best of all time and an ambassador of the game. Manning proved to me that he is neither.

I'm sure he's crushed.

 

[Phrozen Phil]

It's the offseason. Gonna be a long one.

Amen. Manning's one hell of a player. Winning the SB has to be one incredible high. Losing it would be on the opposite end of the spectrum. I'll cut the guy some slack.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning because I saw nothing but a crybaby on the sidelines - complaining and not leading in a game where his leadership was needed the most.

Manning’s team responded in-kind and QB-Superman started to look like Clark Kent, and throwing like him too, real fast.

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

On top of that, his crybaby antics carried over to the post game; Manning shook no opponents' hands. He just quickly dashed/disappeared into his own locker room, kind of like a bully does with shame, after getting his *** kicked by the scrawny kid he was harassing.

I expect more from a QB that everyone touts as the best of all time and an ambassador of the game. Manning proved to me that he is neither.

Who is this PAYton Manning you speak of?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Well, excuuuuuusssssse the Colts QB for being disappointed and wanting to walk off the field before being mobbed by mindless ***** who would think nothing of pouring beverages over players heads and maybe be hurt by a pushing 200 pounder who thinks the field is his playground.

Nothing Payton Manning could do would dampen or enliven the Saints Celebrations. As deserved, they truly acted like they had never been there before and Payton Manning acknowled that it was "their" moment.

But let us pile on Manning. He can chuckle when he makes his next commercial with Drew Brees, proabably playing the John Madden 20011 game.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, excuuuuuusssssse the Colts QB for being disappointed and wanting to walk off the field before being mobbed by mindless ***** who would think nothing of pouring beverages over players heads and maybe be hurt by a pushing 200 pounder who thinks the field is his playground.

Nothing Payton Manning could do would dampen or enliven the Saints Celebrations. As deserved, they truly acted like they had never been there before and Payton Manning acknowled that it was "their" moment.

But let us pile on Manning. He can chuckle when he makes his next commercial with Drew Brees, proabably playing the John Madden 20011 game.

Imagine if it was Romo who lost a Super Bowl and jogged off the field without shaking hands and the media were leveling heavy criticism against the Cowboys quarterback.

You think you'd be seeing the same reaction downing Romo from Cowboys fans?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Imagine if it was Romo who lost a Super Bowl and jogged off the field without shaking hands and the media were leveling heavy criticism against the Cowboys quarterback.

You think you'd be seeing the same reaction downing Romo from Cowboys fans?

Any QB gets a pass from me. Imagine the post-game crush. The media alone.
Any QB wants to get away quickly and uncerimoniously is OK wit me.

Staying and faking it and pretending to be glad for someone who just beat you is empty drama of which the networks love but, ultimately, a drama that just makes me feel maniplulated.

In a week that saw alleged violence by Sapp and Irving toward women -- both NFL spokesmen -- I choose to walk away, too, from the souless smiles and fake expressions of sportsmanship when the losers hearts are breaking.

Manning can be blamed for a lot of things but robotic sentiment is not among them.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning because I saw nothing but a crybaby on the sidelines - complaining and not leading in a game where his leadership was needed the most.

Manning’s team responded in-kind and QB-Superman started to look like Clark Kent, and throwing like him too, real fast.

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

On top of that, his crybaby antics carried over to the post game; Manning shook no opponents' hands. He just quickly dashed/disappeared into his own locker room, kind of like a bully does with shame, after getting his *** kicked by the scrawny kid he was harassing.

I expect more from a QB that everyone touts as the best of all time and an ambassador of the game. Manning proved to me that he is neither.

Manning is 9-9 in the Playoffs and had just thrown the Superbowl. If Manning was Tony ROmo he'd have an Albatross hanging around this neck the size of Texas.

:bang2:

 

[Don Corleone]

Manning is 9-9 in the Playoffs and had just thrown the Superbowl. If Manning was Tony ROmo he'd have an Albatross hanging around this neck the size of Texas.

:bang2:

I agree with this. I remember Manning and the Colts getting blown out against the Patriots in the playoffs, much like Dallas did against the Vikings.

Dallas would never be able to live down a 9-9 record in the playoffs with Romo as the QB.

In no way do I believe that Manning is overrated. He is truly an elite QB, but let's be fair when dishing out playoff debacle criticism.

The reality is that it is tough to win in today's NFL, especially in the playoffs.

 

[DFWJC]

Actually, a 9-9 playoff record is not considered terrible..