I see you Jalen Tolbert!

RonnieT24 said:
Hell those numbers are good for a WR2. I don't know about Brooks.. He might be one of those guys who looks good when there is no pressure like last week when he had a nice catch in a no pressure game but dude looked hella tight in this one. When he needed to step up he stepped down. Tolbert did the opposite.. which is a good sign. I'd like to see Flournoy too but we know about coaches and rookies.. Unless there is an overarching reason to play them.. they don't.
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jazzcat22 said:
We got away with one in the Browns game and it was questionable.
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I thought we got away with a few...some non calls where DBs got there early too. Point being I feel like most games are poorly officiated if you want all of it called
 
blueblood70 said:
Right but I gotta see more consistency you know this is one nice play but where is all the guys downfield making plays it's either Mike McCarthy is not calling them because I got very frustrated with the **** and dunk offense the running the ball into the teeth of a defense that literally would not give up more than three yards on average..

I mean it's either our guys are not getting open but I haven't done any like investigations to actually see the all 22 film where you can see all the routes but it doesn't seem like this offense has many deep routes I watching Derek Carr and the Saints look like the greatest show on turf and Mike McCarthy while down like two or three scores is still running for three yards and then dumping it off and then trying to work the edges I mean when was he gonna get out of that offense so before we give tober his flowers are these guys getting any separation 'cause it seems like Prescott was looking downfield a lot and then turning around you have to dump it off because nobody was open so are they running deep routes or hardly ever running deep routes so I wanna see tolbert getting open on Fillmore before you give him this one great play 'cause that's all it is is 1 great catch....
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The amazing part is that people are still having this conversation 9 years later. Same questions asked over and over again. And I actually believe you have no clue . . . How can this be?
 
RonWashington said:
McCaffrey went down I didn’t see the 49ers wave the white flag .
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I think the 49ers have some issues too. They are going to lose another back or 2 before it is all over. They also gave up 6 sacks and the Cardinals look outstanding out of the gate.
 
I hope the Cowboys are mad enough at themselves to bounce back and fight like mad, vs. the Ravens. If they do, it would be sweet!:thumbup:
 
Bullflop said:
I hope the Cowboys are mad enough at themselves to bounce back and fight like mad, vs. the Ravens. If they did, it would be sweet!:thumbup:
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Yes, it would. Ravens fans are 0 and 2 and could have been 2 and 0. I'm real curious what's going to happen with the Eagles and the Saints.
 
rambo2 said:
I think the 49ers have some issues too. They are going to lose another back or 2 before it is all over. They also gave up 6 sacks and the Cardinals look outstanding out of the gate.
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Why would they lose “ another back or two “ .
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The catch was amazing and the effort was great. Big time. That said I’d hold off on comparing the guy to drew pearson
 
rambo2 said:
Yes, it would. Ravens fans are 0 and 2 and could have been 2 and 0. I'm real curious what's going to happen with the Eagles and the Saints.
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We’ll avenge, you I swear it!

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MarcusRock said:
I don't wanna be right, it just happens to be that way most of the time. Just call 'em like I see them. We get shafted by calls. We also benefit. It evens out all the time if the victim mentality doesn't take over. But when you're biased and accuse refs of bias at the same time, there's an actual name for that psychological maneuver.
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Look man you're missing the point we're allowed to talk about what happens in a game because it was real it's not complaining or making excuses it's not saying that if the calls were made we probably won the game because it's probably not true but I think you have to talk about him because it really happened the referees are terrible just like they didn't get the ball set in game one yes they didn't reset the clock and our kicker didn't get his record tying field goal that made it because they make a mistake and don't even come out and admit it I mean they literally sometimes all factors in wins and losses then they should not be because they're making that big a mistake and they're not being held accountable..

You're trying to shame us for talking about actual things that happen in the game because that's what these debates should be about that's what social media and this forum should be about instead people come in here talk about salary cap and how to run a billion dollar sports franchise how to be a better GM and and none of that matters players contracts and all this nonsense we talk about here nobody knows anything about it they think they do because they read stuff but I don't care how much I read the stock market that doesn't make me an expert you guys are not experts but the one thing we're allowed to do is talk about things we see with our own eyes literally the games were supposed to be debating the games and the referees and the lack of calls that we get in the lopsided when they call a ticky track call on our team, the fact that they called on our guys and in the same game they don't call it on theirs,


yes it effects the flow of the game and might , low probability, change the outcome. You cannot ignore reality,,
 
CTcowboy203 said:
The catch was amazing and the effort was great. Big time. That said I’d hold off on comparing the guy to drew pearson
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right he hasn't done anything for a full game not even to be as good as miles Austin hell he hasn't even put enough good games together to be Cedric Wilson... Yes it was a great play but let's see a whole entire game where he's getting open and has like 100 yard game with a touchdown or two...

Brandon cooks is still producing more now I'm wondering if they give a little bit more of cook snaps to tolbert and or Turpin that maybe they step up more I don't know I don't like Mike McCarthy's play calling I'm starting to move over to that side I think this guy likes to **** and dunk the ball down the field he doesn't know how to call the run plays with the proper rotation of running backs I mean running Vaughn up the middle all the time so I don't know if he's going to ever get to a point where he's going to trust tolbert to get him more snaps or even give him the opportunities....
 
blueblood70 said:
right he hasn't done anything for a full game not even to be as good as miles Austin hell he hasn't even put enough good games together to be Cedric Wilson... Yes it was a great play but let's see a whole entire game where he's getting open and has like 100 yard game with a touchdown or two...

Brandon cooks is still producing more now I'm wondering if they give a little bit more of cook snaps to tolbert and or Turpin that maybe they step up more I don't know I don't like Mike McCarthy's play calling I'm starting to move over to that side I think this guy likes to **** and dunk the ball down the field he doesn't know how to call the run plays with the proper rotation of running backs I mean running Vaughn up the middle all the time so I don't know if he's going to ever get to a point where he's going to trust tolbert to get him more snaps or even give him the opportunities....
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That was insanity. The one drive where they moved it down to the 15 yard line with Zeke in the backfield then subbed in Vaughan had me throwing things at my TV. That was a chance to cut it to a one score game with our power back in the game and we sub in a 175 pound scatback. A back that needs space in the toughest area of the field to find it. Made zero sense and almost immediately left me thinking "Okay we have accepted losing today to break tendencies for later in the season."

Back to Tolbert though.. I think the main reason he has not had a full game of ballin is he's been the 4th or 5th option in the offense at best so far. That catch might elevate him some and give McCarthy and Dak confidence to take more shots with him if they see him one on one. The kid can clearly run because he was pulling away from that DB before he had to slow down to track the ball. He's also a smooth strider so DBs can't tell how fast he's running just by looking at him. That's a HUGE advantage believe me. He is not as versatile as Cedric Wilson but their games are similar in the receiving aspect. There's a lot to like. Not sure if he ever becomes a true #1 but I see him as a possible 10 year veteran at the #2 slot with 1 or 2 games a year over 100 yards with multiple TDs because the other team's #2 corner is no match for him. Kinda like Alvin Harper was. I hear the Gallup comparisons but I think he's a little less "stiff" when running than Gallup was and as I said has a much smoother gait. As well as I think a more diverse route tree. When all is said and done I think he will become a more complete receiver than MG.
 
RonnieT24 said:
That was insanity. The one drive where they moved it down to the 15 yard line with Zeke in the backfield then subbed in Vaughan had me throwing things at my TV. That was a chance to cut it to a one score game with our power back in the game and we sub in a 175 pound scatback. A back that needs space in the toughest area of the field to find it. Made zero sense and almost immediately left me thinking "Okay we have accepted losing today to break tendencies for later in the season."

Back to Tolbert though.. I think the main reason he has not had a full game of ballin is he's been the 4th or 5th option in the offense at best so far. That catch might elevate him some and give McCarthy and Dak confidence to take more shots with him if they see him one on one. The kid can clearly run because he was pulling away from that DB before he had to slow down to track the ball. He's also a smooth strider so DBs can't tell how fast he's running just by looking at him. That's a HUGE advantage believe me. He is not as versatile as Cedric Wilson but their games are similar in the receiving aspect. There's a lot to like. Not sure if he ever becomes a true #1 but I see him as a possible 10 year veteran at the #2 slot with 1 or 2 games a year over 100 yards with multiple TDs because the other team's #2 corner is no match for him. Kinda like Alvin Harper was. I hear the Gallup comparisons but I think he's a little less "stiff" when running than Gallup was and as I said has a much smoother gait. As well as I think a more diverse route tree. When all is said and done I think he will become a more complete receiver than MG.
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Maybe on the tobert thing I don't know let's just see what he does if he slipped into the full time 3 but I think he needs to have cooks' opportunities or it's going to be hard to tell..

Oh I already know Mike McCarthy is lost in how to use a running back by committee he either needs a strong running back he can rely on for three downs or he's lost he does not use Vaughn correctly ever I mean even if he wanted to bring him in was I can live with you need to have some motion and get him to the outside, he did this last year he couldn't get it right between Rico and Tony he never used Vaughn right he didn't use turban enough so I'm starting to not like Mike McCarthy the offensive coordinator is Dink and dunk, it's working the edges all the time he literally doesn't seem to stretch the field at all he's happy with these time consuming drives it seems like he's trying to protect the defense in these games and maybe he is but I just don't see it he doesn't know how to use the running back by committee he doesn't know how to use these players the way I think Andy Reid could use these players I think Turpin and Vaughn could be very effective if used correctly..

He seemed OK just running the ball into the teeth of the defense when they were letting you seemingly throw the ball downfield but we never did they brought everything up to stop the run to stop the over the middle chunk yards and they're saying go ahead test us deep and then never have I mean it's I almost never see many deep passes in our last two offenses where are they?

I did read a tweet the other day Mina kimes says that the NFL seems to be turning into a dink and dunk because of the two deep high safeties and they're forcing the ball underneath, and the big plays are becoming less and less because they just don't want to allow them.. she's showing that each year has been getting smaller the yards per throw have been shrinking...
 
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