I think there's a really good chance that Jaylon Smith will play this year

[J_Allen]

In theory yes, it's not Jerry's fault what other people report. In theory, an uncapped year means you can sign players to big money deals without it counting against the cap. But Mara has Goodell under some mind control, or pictures of him, and he got Dallas and Washington in trouble for paying players during the uncapped year. So Mara led the charge for Dallas and Washington, two division rivals, to be punished by taking salary cap money away from us for two years and Goodell agreed and signed off on it.

So I can see were Mara would have his feelings hurt if Dallas got the steal of the draft and Dallas' doctors performed the surgery and the expectation for him to play would be for 2017. Mara would pull the puppet strings again with Goodell and probably get us draft picks taken away.

I see. Thank you for the explanation. I had no idea Mara was behind Dallas getting fined that year.

 

[LittleD]

It's a common misconception that the peroneal nerve needs to grow or regenerate from the knee all the way to the ankle for foot dorsiflexion to occur. However, this is not the case. The deep peroneal nerve innervates the tibialis anterior, the extensor hallucis longus, and the extensor digitorum longus muscles, which all can be found proximal to (above) the ankle. These muscles allow for foot dorsiflexion and toe extension to occur. So, in short, the nerve doesn't need to regrow itself all the way down to the level of the ankle for foot dorsiflexion, only just to the level of the associated muscles that are responsible for foot dorsiflexion.

Give the man a like...There's a doctor in the house!

 

[LittleD]

I just get nervous and a tinkling in the leg reading all about this injury and how "Superman Smith" will be leaping over
OL's with a single bound by labor day. What a nerve Jerry has for signing this guy up in the second round of the draft.

 

[Typhus]

I just get nervous and a tinkling in the leg reading all about this injury and how "Superman Smith" will be leaping over
OL's with a single bound by labor day. What a nerve Jerry has for signing this guy up in the second round of the draft.

Oh no you dint.

 

[Jarv]

I will say again ....... if this kid plays this year ....... Mara will sue us for tampering and collusion.

For what? HIPPA laws? I'm sure the kid wanted positive info coming out from the doc.

 

[vaturkey]

I have a better chance of finding the fountain of youth and marrying a supermodel.

 

[CATCH17]

I really don't know anything about nerve damage, this injury is new to me, but Jerry better hope this guy can get back this year.

I've already gave up on that.

I really just hope he plays again and he can get to the level he was at.

 

[zrinkill]

For what? HIPPA laws? I'm sure the kid wanted positive info coming out from the doc.

Jeebus ......... it was a joke how Mara will do anything to hurt us.

95% of the people got it ......... the rest i am worried about.

 

[Sydla]

Precaution against what?

Even if he's cleared by doctors, the Cowboys would likely want to take every opportunity to let him rest and get comfortable with the knee, etc.

You see it all the time in sports where a guy could come back but the team holds the player back giving him more than enough time to get back into shape, more rehab on the injury than required, etc.

Teams want to be 100% sure, especially when a lot is invested. So I think even if he could play at some point this season, the Cowboys will be very, very cautious with him.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yeah it does, so it's kind of maddening to not know. I saw a bunch of Youtube videos with him working out, talking etc and from what I got is he started feeling sensations in his knee before he was expected to and that was a positive sign. Another thing is when people report about him, like espn or whatever, they say he suffered nerve damage. This isn't true. According to Jaylon the nerve in undamaged. The nerve was "stretched" either during the surgery or when it got injured but the nerve itself is fine. The nerve was traumatized and is reacting to the trauma, much like hitting your funny bone in your elbow but lasting a significantly longer time. So I believe that the nerve could start firing like normal any day now or it could take the 1 inch per month schedule. Or worst case scenario it stops firing for a while and the process is delayed.

But from what I understand is it's not out of the realm of reality that he could wake up one day and his nerve starts firing and he's good. That's unlikely, but it's a scenario that no one is talking about.

I don't know, I wish there was a clear cut time table and answer cuz I don't know how excited I want to be about him playing this year. Some things I read I get excited and some other things I read makes me think will see him in 2017.

Just out of curiosity, are you a doctor by profession?

 

[movaughn88]

A couple of thoughts on the subject.

1. The nerve he injured is the common peroneal nerve which itself splits into a deep peroneal nerve and a superficial peroneal nerve around the level of the knee.

We should sticky this post and only let @Eskimo, @FuzzyLumpkins ,and anyone who can prove a medical degree contribute to that post. Definitely not me, I've just been going on Fuzzy's information searches.

 

[tyke1doe]

WoW. Superman lives. I got stop an put on my boots cause the **** is getting deep in the zone. Out of control Honerism somebody help this kid

Is honerism the same as homerism?

 

[conner01]

If I understand pup rules correctly he will start regular season on pup and be out 6 weeks then we have a 5 week window or he is done for the year. So I thinks is very possible he could be availible late in the year. Not likely to have time to get in shape and make much impact but could be valuable time to let him get confidence in his knee and get a feel for the speed of the nfl. I could easily see him getting on the field but not likely to make much of an impact but very valuable reps for next year

 

[tyke1doe]

None of us are doctors so we don't know when he'll physically be ready enough to play without the danger of re-injuring it. They may say the time table is 8-10 months or whatever but everyone heals differently. And I'd be willing to bet a top-flight athletic freak like Jaylon Smith is gonna heal a whole hell of a lot faster than let's say a 50 year old man who fell down the staircase. Apparently Jaylon is already way ahead of schedule so he could realistically be back by November or December. But once again, none of us know where he'll be in his recovery at that point. There could be setbacks. Just let the kid heal and he'll come back when he's physically ready to and when the doctors have cleared him.

I'm not trying to be condescending or prohibit posters from giving their opinions, so please accept my caveat.

But ... it would be good to know which poster has a medical background - whether a doctor or a medical student, etc. - and which are just speculating from a lack of medical knowledge - especially in a thread such as this one.

I read these opinions, and I would like to believe them because the explanations sound good. But I'm like, "Are you a doctor? Is your opinion based on medical knowledge and experience?"

I say this because we all hope Jaylon Smith recovers, and posts like these - reading comments from posters who give optimistic reports and evaluations - can spread false hope.

My two cents.

 

[Aven8]

Nothing a little HGH can't cure.

 

[Maxmadden]

I'm not trying to be condescending or prohibit posters from giving their opinions, so please accept my caveat.

But ... it would be good to know which poster has a medical background - whether a doctor or a medical student, etc. - and which are just speculating from a lack of medical knowledge - especially in a thread such as this one.

I read these opinions, and I would like to believe them because the explanations sound good. But I'm like, "Are you a doctor? Is your opinion based on medical knowledge and experience?"

I say this because we all hope Jaylon Smith recovers, and posts like these - reading comments from posters who give optimistic reports and evaluations - can spread false hope.

My two cents.

Even the doctors don't know, so you have to take everything with a grain of salt.

 

[Jarv]

Jeebus ......... it was a joke how Mara will do anything to hurt us.

95% of the people got it ......... the rest i am worried about.

Gotcha...believe me living in the Northeast, I can't stand Mara. I did think of HIPPA laws because I work in the data center industry and there are strict regulations about storing/releasing medical (records) information. So when people talk about us having "inside information" because his doctor is our team doctor...well that would be a violation. Unless of course Smith wanted it public.

 

[tyke1doe]

A couple of thoughts on the subject.

1. The nerve he injured is the common peroneal nerve which itself splits into a deep peroneal nerve and a superficial peroneal nerve around the level of the knee.

2. While he has a foot drop there is more to the nerve injury than just that. That is only looking at the ankle as a hinge joint moving up and done. The ankle also inverts (twists foot so sole faces the midline) and everts (twists foot so sole faces outwards). The movement in eversion will be severely affected by the superficial peroneal part of the injury and can't be compensated for well in a brace or with taping.

3. There is some confusion about the degree of the nerve injury or whether the nerve was injured at all. There are 3 types and 5 degrees of nerve injury, roughly. The 3 types are neurapraxia (1st degree) which involves thinning of the outer insulation of the nerve, axonotmesis (2nd to 4th degree) which involves disruption of the inner wiring or axons of the nerves but leaves the outer nerve sheath physically intact and neurotmesis (5th degree) in which the nerve is transected.

Now Smith clearly has the 2nd type of injury, axonotmesis. This basically means the axons distal to the point of injury degenerated completely. However, we don't know how much of the inner architecture (endoneurium, perineurium and epineurium) were affected. If the inner architecture of the nerve is fully intact (2nd degree) he may get close to a complete recovery and on a reasonable timeframe. If there is 3rd degree injury there will be some loss of inner architecture, there will be scar tissue and the ability of the nerves to re-grown and find their way back to the muscles will be impaired to some degree and his recovery will be partial and probably take longer than the 1 inch per month figure which is usually a best case scenario anyways. If there is 4th degree injury that means much of the inner architecture has been disrupted, there will be a lot of scarring and nerve re-growth will be markedly restricted. Such patients will often have a later revision surgery to try and aid in recovery.

I think Smith likely has some 2nd and 3rd degree injury based on descriptions of surgical findings. How much is 2nd vs. 3rd degree isn't something you can figure out with current medical tests. If the Cowboys doctor thought it was probably more 2nd degree than 3rd degree than his thoughts on the subject could have influenced the Jones' decision as no one would know better than him as he visualized the nerve and how much deformation there was.

4. In terms of nerve regrowth, the important part is the gap between where the nerve degenerated to the motor point of the muscle. For the tibialis anterior that is fairly high up in the calf and the re-innervation there will end the foot drop. To get down to the peroneii which help with eversion of the ankle the nerve re-growth has to go down a bit further more like halfway down the calf. So while it is true that the main effects of the injury are on the control of the ankle, the nerve regrowth doesn't have to get all the way to the ankle for Smith to recover.

I'm not trying to be snarky so please don't read this into my question, but are you a doctor or do you have medical training?

Thanks.

 

[tyke1doe]

Even the doctors don't know, so you have to take everything with a grain of salt.

But doctors have more knowledge than lay people. I would much more believe a person who has training and experience in these matters than a poster pontificating about the issue.

 

[malbis030347]

I will say again ....... if this kid plays this year ....... Mara will sue us for tampering and collusion.

I was thinking the same thing on draft day...Mara will petition Goodele that the Cowboys had insider info on Jalon that gave them an unfair advantage and should be punished by taking away next years draft pick