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abersonc said:
I don't think he ever really dropped -- I think that the various media reports about how he looked at his pro day were given far too much weight by the mock draft folks and other psuedo-experts.
That I certainly agree with. Players that are overhyped for whatever reason fall on draft day and the next thing you know Kiper has some explaining to do.
 

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We both have unproven quantities at those positions. Our RT situation was arguably our wekest link on the team (Kicker not withstanding). That is how I draw that parallell.

Let me say that I do belive that Rob Petitti will be ok but he has to PROVE it before we can say for sure.

Gotcha. Just wanted to hear your thoughts. I do think we will be better off though, as we have a proven Vet or a better, youunger option to go to. All the Eagles have is a younger option that may or may not be better.
 

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The only person that scares me playing in the Eaglets O is Westbrook, but he's gonna be a marked man this season... McNubb doesn't scare me as a passing QB, especially with a pedestrian WR corps... R Brown #1... LMAO... It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Philly sign a veteran WR to add to the mix during TC or pre-season when the surprise cuts start happening... and they happen every year... But by saying that, Philly always goes cheap, so a Ricky Proehl or maybe even a Johnny Morton could wind up there.
 

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from what I saw Regie Brown was not that bad!!! Now can he beat teams that scheme for him I dont know but based on his play and Andy Reids O he could get 800 to 1000 yards!!! what is that 50 to 60 some yards a game!!!
 

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MONT17 said:
from what I saw Regie Brown was not that bad!!! Now can he beat teams that scheme for him I dont know but based on his play and Andy Reids O he could get 800 to 1000 yards!!! what is that 50 to 60 some yards a game!!!
Really!!! Not exactly what I would expect from my #1 WR in a WCO!!!
 

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It's difficult to really get a good read on how effective Reggie Brown, and Gaffney will be this season.

Most Eagle fans are concerned about our wide-receiver corp because they felt that we had missed opportunities to acquire Randle-El, and Javon Walker. So we're comparing what could have been if we had signed contracts with those big named reveivers. While many opponent fandoms are comparing their acquisitions to our no-named receivers.

Indeed, every NFC-East team have veteran play-makers in the WR position except the Eagles. That's reason enough for Eagle fans to be somewhat concerned.

Now I'll tell you what the buzz is from Eagle fans (at least some that I know)...

Reggie Brown played closely to TO and had to pick up some things from that mentorship. He's a rookie! But, he has shown vast improvement and potential in a very difficult year. There are stats available, but I don't think anyone is really Interested in seeing Reggie Brown's stats in 2005. Many in the Eagles camp believe that Reggie Brown is developing Into the next cadre of playmaker wide receivers. Of course I'd like to think so, but no one here could say yeah or nay to that possibility without checking him out in 2006. That potential to develop is magnified by two healthy QBs (McNabb and Garcia). While you can say what you want about Garcia, he is a leader and is at least a good backup QB; with potential to be lead QB if the opportunity presents itself.

Gaffney will probably be the number two WR. I guess if I were an opponent fan I'd say all the things that one would say to minimize his Potential to become a play-maker WR. Since he played with the Houston Texans, he was considered playing with a basement team. Carr, the Texans QB was not very good; but In all fairness did not have the OL to protect him. Inspite of all that, the buzz is that Gaffney still manageed to put up some decent numbers. That said, it's believed by many Eagle fans that under McNabb, and a much better OL, Gaffney will improve greatly; even to the point of Becoming a threat.

I won't bore you further with talk about Pinkston, or AVant, or even Bloom ...you know their stories anyway.

McNabb was recently ranked at the number 8 in the NFL. Now that McNabb is healthy, I have one concern ...and that is how he seem to throw interceptions at critical points In the game. I still remember that pick that Roy Williams made in the last quarter of the game in 2005 ...say what you want, but I believe we may have won that game if McNabb would have held onto the ball. But, I wasn't on the field and I can't say for sure, and Dallas got the win.

While we do Not have the strong WR corp the rest o the NFC-East has, we may be stronger than many of you may want to believe.
 

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Phoenix-Talon said:
It's difficult to really get a good read on how effective Reggie Brown, and Gaffney will be this season.

Most Eagle fans are concerned about our wide-receiver corp because they felt that we had missed opportunities to acquire Randle-El, and Javon Walker. So we're comparing what could have been if we had signed contracts with those big named reveivers. While many opponent fandoms are comparing their acquisitions to our no-named receivers.

Indeed, every NFC-East team have veteran play-makers in the WR position except the Eagles. That's reason enough for Eagle fans to be somewhat concerned.

Now I'll tell you what the buzz is from Eagle fans (at least some that I know)...

Reggie Brown played closely to TO and had to pick up some things from that mentorship. He's a rookie! But, he has shown vast improvement and potential in a very difficult year. There are stats available, but I don't think anyone is really Interested in seeing Reggie Brown's stats in 2005. Many in the Eagles camp believe that Reggie Brown is developing Into the next cadre of playmaker wide receivers. Of course I'd like to think so, but no one here could say yeah or nay to that possibility without checking him out in 2006. That potential to develop is magnified by two healthy QBs (McNabb and Garcia). While you can say what you want about Garcia, he is a leader and is at least a good backup QB; with potential to be lead QB if the opportunity presents itself.

Gaffney will probably be the number two WR. I guess if I were an opponent fan I'd say all the things that one would say to minimize his Potential to become a play-maker WR. Since he played with the Houston Texans, he was considered playing with a basement team. Carr, the Texans QB was not very good; but In all fairness did not have the OL to protect him. Inspite of all that, the buzz is that Gaffney still manageed to put up some decent numbers. That said, it's believed by many Eagle fans that under McNabb, and a much better OL, Gaffney will improve greatly; even to the point of Becoming a threat.

I won't bore you further with talk about Pinkston, or AVant, or even Bloom ...you know their stories anyway.

McNabb was recently ranked at the number 8 in the NFL. Now that McNabb is healthy, I have one concern ...and that is how he seem to throw interceptions at critical points In the game. I still remember that pick that Roy Williams made in the last quarter of the game in 2005 ...say what you want, but I believe we may have won that game if McNabb would have held onto the ball. But, I wasn't on the field and I can't say for sure, and Dallas got the win.

While we do Not have the strong WR corp the rest o the NFC-East has, we may be stronger than many of you may want to believe.

Your post seems to rely on "potential". Any time you rely on potential you set yourself up for disappointment. I have done that many times in the past with the Cowboys, and more times than not I have been disappointed.

As far as the Cowboys win when McNabb turned the ball over, we could say the same thing about several games last year. What if we had made those field goals, what if Moss hadn't burned our secondary two drives back to back against the 'skins. We could play that game all day long. It doesn't do any good.
 

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Phoenix-Talon said:
Now I'll tell you what the buzz is from Eagle fans (at least some that I know)...

Reggie Brown played closely to TO and had to pick up some things from that mentorship.

You Eagles fans really nailed that one. Look what that mentorship did for JJ Stokes and Tai Streets!

With that sort of mentorship, Reggie Brown may too be out of the league in a few years!!
 

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You Eagles fans really nailed that one. Look what that mentorship did for JJ Stokes and Tai Streets!

With that sort of mentorship, Reggie Brown may too be out of the league in a few years!!

Sir, do you mean to imply that JJ Stokes and/or Tai Streets were rookies when TO became an experienced veteran wide-receiver; In which case your point is accurate and I stand corrected. Or, were you giving facetious pontifications in your analogy; in which case, I still stand corrected:rolleyes: .

I ownder if you asked TO who his mentor was ...he'd probably say Jerry Rice among others. But I believe that Reggie Brown was influenced by TO (without the attitude of course).
 

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McNabb back healthy will elevate his play
mcnabb is the ONLY player i've ever seen who always has some freak injury happen to him after he has a really bad play/int or somethihng.

coincidence?

nope. maybe TO had a point.
 

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mcnabb is the ONLY player i've ever seen who always has some freak injury happen to him after he has a really bad play/int or somethihng.

coincidence?

nope. maybe TO had a point.

McNabb early in the november game, after running for a TD. Coincidentally, I believe on the first drive, McNabb scrambled for a nice gain, and got hit. Obviously he's in a ton of pain. (check out the height on that leg flip!!!!:eek:)

111405-mcnabb.jpg
 

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theebs said:
I think reggie brown is a good player. I think the eagles wr will be fine, they didnt exactly have game breakers 00-03 and they still won.

The difference now is the rest of the division are not pushovers like they were then and the nfc is much stronger.
That was when they had a defense with two solid cornerbacks and several legitimate pass-rushers. It's a much easier job for the offense when the defense is constantly handing you the ball at the 50-yard line and limiting opposing teams to 10 to 14 points.
 

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superpunk said:
McNabb early in the november game, after running for a TD. Coincidentally, I believe on the first drive, McNabb scrambled for a nice gain, and got hit. Obviously he's in a ton of pain. (check out the height on that leg flip!!!!:eek:)

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it's almost like he's a pro wrestler - and we know how "real" that is. but every time a wreslter makes a moves to hurt someone, they always come up limping or in pain to "sell the drama". i don't think mcnabb is trying to increase drama in as much as simply have a built in excuse for suckiness.

when roy int'd him and ran back for a TD (sorry, not feeling well this am so i hope i have the game right) mcnabb was a limping fool after that play as if his getting hurt caused the INT, not his poor decisions.

in all i can see why someone like TO would call out someone like mcnabb. it would get old quick for a "leader" to come up lame after any given bad play that consistantly.
 

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theebs said:
I think reggie brown is a good player. I think the eagles wr will be fine, they didnt exactly have game breakers 00-03 and they still won.

The difference now is the rest of the division are not pushovers like they were then and the nfc is much stronger.

The Eagles have rebuilt their lines on both sides. If Reid had half a clue they could run teams over. They are weak at LB, WR, and RB but are very strong at QB, DB, DL, and OL. They are going to win their share and really surprise Washington and the Giants.
 

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it's almost like he's a pro wrestler - and we know how "real" that is. but every time a wreslter makes a moves to hurt someone, they always come up limping or in pain to "sell the drama". i don't think mcnabb is trying to increase drama in as much as simply have a built in excuse for suckiness.

when roy int'd him and ran back for a TD (sorry, not feeling well this am so i hope i have the game right) mcnabb was a limping fool after that play as if his getting hurt caused the INT, not his poor decisions.

in all i can see why someone like TO would call out someone like mcnabb. it would get old quick for a "leader" to come up lame after any given bad play that consistantly.

He pulled up "lame" after James thumped him on a block for Roy. Just thought it was interesting that he had been getting hit all game long (2 sacks, 5 rushing attempts - his most of the season) and it was only after he threw an INT that he pulled up.

He attempted to come back out after the INT. But somehow, with the pressure on, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn - like that's anything new. Instead of coming up big, making up for his mistake, he bows out and McMahon almost leads them back, if that receiver can hold onto that pass Reeves broke up at the end.

I have a very low opinion of McNabb - no matter how much equity he built up while slamming on the uber-weak NFC 4 years in a row.
 

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He pulled up "lame" after James thumped him on a block for Roy. Just thought it was interesting that he had been getting hit all game long (2 sacks, 5 rushing attempts - his most of the season) and it was only after he threw an INT that he pulled up.

He attempted to come back out after the INT. But somehow, with the pressure on, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn - like that's anything new. Instead of coming up big, making up for his mistake, he bows out and McMahon almost leads them back, if that receiver can hold onto that pass Reeves broke up at the end.

I have a very low opinion of McNabb - no matter how much equity he built up while slamming on the uber-weak NFC 4 years in a row.

wow - is this what it's like to agree with another cowboys fan these days??? >g< (kidding man - always appreciate reading your views - just fun not to argue about them for a change (and not you but w/anyone))

i always gave him the benefit of the doubt but last year it really stuck out that the worse things got, the more he got "hurt". and all injuries that you really can't xray or catscan to "reality" it seems. i do remember the play better now so thanks for the help there.

who knows man - maybe TO had a point. (did *I* say that???)
 

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mcnabb's never "healthy" when he does bad, apparently....
Isn't that the truth. We all saw his "Michael Jackson" imitation in the endzone after he scored a TD against us in Philadelphia. Then, a few minutes later, after he was intercepted by Roy Williams, he was hurt again.

I cannot stand cry baby McNabb. The more I read and the more I here about the whole Owens/McNabb issue, it seems to me that McNabb found a way to play it off like he was an innocent party. Far from it.
 

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He pulled up "lame" after James thumped him on a block for Roy. Just thought it was interesting that he had been getting hit all game long (2 sacks, 5 rushing attempts - his most of the season) and it was only after he threw an INT that he pulled up.

He attempted to come back out after the INT. But somehow, with the pressure on, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn - like that's anything new. Instead of coming up big, making up for his mistake, he bows out and McMahon almost leads them back, if that receiver can hold onto that pass Reeves broke up at the end.

I have a very low opinion of McNabb - no matter how much equity he built up while slamming on the uber-weak NFC 4 years in a row.

I'm with you on all of this. McNabb is a big con artist. I'm not falling for his BS. I cannot wait until we get a hold of him this year.
 

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superpunk said:
He pulled up "lame" after James thumped him on a block for Roy. Just thought it was interesting that he had been getting hit all game long (2 sacks, 5 rushing attempts - his most of the season) and it was only after he threw an INT that he pulled up.

He attempted to come back out after the INT. But somehow, with the pressure on, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn - like that's anything new. Instead of coming up big, making up for his mistake, he bows out and McMahon almost leads them back, if that receiver can hold onto that pass Reeves broke up at the end.

I have a very low opinion of McNabb - no matter how much equity he built up while slamming on the uber-weak NFC 4 years in a row.

It's part of his history.

Remember the "thumb" when they were beaten by us in the first meeting in 2003?

The "ribs" against Tampa Bay in the NFC Championship?

All NFL QBs take punishment. All of them.

But name for me the last time you heard Brett Favre (for example) talk about his injuries after he threw five interceptions? Any QB worth his salt for that matter? You can't.

McNabb is the only one I can recall who has used injuries as a crutch for struggling. It isn't just the media who keeps this alive. He himself has cited his injuries as excuses before.
 
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