I want to see less Murray

[TheMarathonContinues]

I agree. As I am watching the game...it was Murray this Murray that. Does cowboys coaching staff know his guys history? A 30 carry game is good way to send him to IR. This is not A. Peterson back there. I get it that Murray looks great this year but they have Lance Dunbar on this team for a reason. And if Dallas doesn't trust him then moves Williams up ahead of him. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray looks less spirited the rest of year due to Tenn game.

Lance Dunbar is on this team not as a running back but as a change of pace back who they throw screens to. Randle is the back. And Randle had success running behind this line. Randle isn't Demarco but you invested a draft pick in Randle to where in case if Demarco got hurt you'd have Randle. And you have Ryan Williams on the practice squad.

I just don't understand the point of "saving" Demarco. For what? For the post season? We might not even make it to the post season. But I do know that are best chances is Demarco getting 25 to 30 carries a game.

 

[erod]

Murray in a single back formation. Let's keep a full back with played like crap the first 2 games both at FB and special teams.

1. That doesn't work on the goal line.

2. Murray is leading the league in rushing, but the fullback has played like crap? Interesting logic.

They've only used Clutts 8-10 times, but that's a coaches decision. You need a fullback on the roster.

 

[Doomsday101]

Think people are going a bit over board. Dallas ran him 29 times so what they are not going to run him 29 times a game. The situation dictated it, funny but had Dallas not continue to pound the ball late many of the same would be complaining about not running him. I like Dunbar but he is not a back you are going to grind it out to end a game. He is a change of pace but by the last 2 drive Tenn was loading up the box big time and Dallas ran it to win. Randle would have been a big help had he not gone down

 

[AbeBeta]

Exactly. If he gets hurt than so be it. If he gets hurt getting 25 to 30 carries? Than no matter how you "save" him he'll get hurt eventually some time down the road. You play to win. There's no shortcuts.

Shortcuts, no. But recognition that 25-30 carries a game translates to 400-480 carries in a season. In the history of the NFL a back has only carried 400 or more FIVE times. The NFL record is 416 carries.

You aren't playing to win if you make completely unreasonable demands of your players.

 

[Doomsday101]

Shortcuts, no. But recognition that 25-30 carries a game translates to 400-480 carries in a season. In the history of the NFL a back has only carried 400 or more FIVE times. The NFL record is 416 carries.

You aren't playing to win if you make completely unreasonable demands of your players.

True but do you think Dallas will run him 25 to 30 times a game? I don't I do think there will be games in which he will get a lot more carries than others in which he will have much less.

 

[Doomsday101]

I seem to recall people complaining Linehan would not run the ball much now he is catching grief for this? Who would have thunk it? LOL

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Shortcuts, no. But recognition that 25-30 carries a game translates to 400-480 carries in a season. In the history of the NFL a back has only carried 400 or more FIVE times. The NFL record is 416 carries.

You aren't playing to win if you make completely unreasonable demands of your players.

Well there are going to be some games where they will be forced to rely on Romo's arm. There will be some games where 15 to 20 carries may be enough. But the Cowboys shouldn't be stuck on "numbers" or "percentages". I hate the whole argument there's a certain percentage to pass to run plays that they should run. Or a certain a mount of carries Demarco needs. Call a solid offensive gameplan is all I ask. If its 25 to 30 carries so be it.

What do you get out of "saving" Demarco when you're sitting there 6-10 and outside of the postseason? Saving him for next season?

 

[diehard2294]

1. That doesn't work on the goal line.

2. Murray is leading the league in rushing, but the fullback has played like crap? Interesting logic.

They've only used Clutts 8-10 times, but that's a coaches decision. You need a fullback on the roster.

#3 shows #2 logic. Murray is leading the league in rushing without a FB. If you must have a FB a Clutts is not your guy

 

[conner01]

True but do you think Dallas will run him 25 to 30 times a game? I don't I do think there will be games in which he will get a lot more carries than others in which he will have much less.

i hope we can run the ball 25 times a game and thats not an unreachable number. 30 is getting up there. but i would'nt run one back 25 times a game. like any other player they are more effective when fresh so i like murray 18-20 times a game and the rest with the others. i would love to see us run the ball 30 times a game because that means you are never behind

 

[conner01]

people want clutts cut because he only play a handful of plays a game, yet we kept a qb on the roster who is never going to see the field this year.

 

[AbeBeta]

True but do you think Dallas will run him 25 to 30 times a game? I don't I do think there will be games in which he will get a lot more carries than others in which he will have much less.

No, I don't. But that is what people here are calling for. He's also a big part of the passing game as both a receiver and a blocker. If he's healthy, I think you target maybe 300 carries for the season.

 

[AbeBeta]

Well there are going to be some games where they will be forced to rely on Romo's arm. There will be some games where 15 to 20 carries may be enough. But the Cowboys shouldn't be stuck on "numbers" or "percentages". I hate the whole argument there's a certain percentage to pass to run plays that they should run. Or a certain a mount of carries Demarco needs. Call a solid offensive gameplan is all I ask. If its 25 to 30 carries so be it.

What do you get out of "saving" Demarco when you're sitting there 6-10 and outside of the postseason? Saving him for next season?

Gee, I guess every team should go out and run their RBs into the ground. After all, what are you saving them for?

 

[Doomsday101]

No, I don't. But that is what people here are calling for. He's also a big part of the passing game as both a receiver and a blocker. If he's healthy, I think you target maybe 300 carries for the season.

I think that number is about right.

 

[Stash]

If we keep running him like this he wont make it half the season...

I don't know what the word is on Joseph Randle but I would like to see more of him or get Ryan Williams out there and really have a good 1-2 punch.

I'll respectfully disagree with you. He looks to be having a career year and I think this team needs to ride it out with him and the running game as long as possible.

And I think Dunbar brings NOTHING to the running game and I felt the offense suffered every time Murray exited and he entered.

But, given the increased reliance on the running game, I'd have no problem bringing Williams up to the main roster if they could figure out the roster shuffling involved.

However, I'm not going to take carries from the best option for fear of injury.

 

[mrmojo]

If he's healthy use him, especially now in his prime. We ran Emmitt almost exclusively, no need holding any talent back for fear of injury, because what usually happens?...he gets injured.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Gee, I guess every team should go out and run their RBs into the ground. After all, what are you saving them for?

I think that should be what most teams who have been 8-8 and missed the playoffs the past 3 or 4 years should be thinking. If you are a team with no identity but you're pretty much undefeated when you give Murray 20+ carries.....why on earth would you do something different?

It is essentially like they try and save him every season lol. Its essentially what they have been doing and it hasn't been working. Granted, its been more so because they haven't been running anyone other than Murray and they refuse to give him over 20 carries but it still remains they have been saving him and it hasn't worked in our favor.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think that should be what most teams who have been 8-8 and missed the playoffs the past 3 or 4 years should be thinking. If you are a team with no identity but you're pretty much undefeated when you give Murray 20+ carries.....why on earth would you do something different?

It is essentially like they try and save him every season lol. Its essentially what they have been doing and it hasn't been working. Granted, its been more so because they haven't been running anyone other than Murray and they refuse to give him over 20 carries but it still remains they have been saving him and it hasn't worked in our favor.

Yes, let's ride him into the ground over the course of the first 8 games. He should be real effective down the stretch then.

Like any player, you have to use them sensibly - not even the most ridden backs in the history of the league have gone 30 carries a game over the course of a season. I'm sure you like what he's doing for your fantasy team, but reality dictates that 29 carries is unsustainable.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'll respectfully disagree with you. He looks to be having a career year and I think this team needs to ride it out with him and the running game as long as possible.

And I think Dunbar brings NOTHING to the running game and I felt the offense suffered every time Murray exited and he entered.

But, given the increased reliance on the running game, I'd have no problem bringing Williams up to the main roster if they could figure out the roster shuffling involved.

However, I'm not going to take carries from the best option for fear of injury.

i hope we can run the ball 25 times a game and thats not an unreachable number. 30 is getting up there. but i would'nt run one back 25 times a game. like any other player they are more effective when fresh so i like murray 18-20 times a game and the rest with the others. i would love to see us run the ball 30 times a game because that means you are never behind

He looked pretty fresh ending the game.lol I have no set number of carries in mind but if it came down to giving him some extra carries to seal a game away then I do it. However I think there will be games vs certain teams he will not be getting the ball 25 to 30 times. I think you play the guys you have to win the games you do what you have to with the cards you are dealt. Game situations will dictate much of what we have to do.

 

[Stash]

He looked pretty fresh ending the game.lol I have no set number of carries in mind but if it came down to giving him some extra carries to seal a game away then I do it. However I think there will be games vs certain teams he will not be getting the ball 25 to 30 times. I think you play the guys you have to win the games you do what you have to with the cards you are dealt. Game situations will dictate much of what we have to do.

I think that if anyone is serious about putting Murray on a 'pitch count', the next thought needs to be finding a way to have Ryan Williams active on game days to help carry the load.

With Randle having a concussion, he might not be available and I haven't seen anything to suggest Dunbar is a viable option and nothing more than a niche player.

You want to go committee? You'd better figure out a way to have Williams active, and you'd also better be worried about him getting plucked from your practice squad at any time given the state of running backs around the league.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, let's ride him into the ground over the course of the first 8 games. He should be real effective down the stretch then.

Like any player, you have to use them sensibly - not even the most ridden backs in the history of the league have gone 30 carries a game over the course of a season. I'm sure you like what he's doing for your fantasy team, but reality dictates that 29 carries is unsustainable.

I do like what he's doing for my fantasy team but I also like that win we just came off of even more.

If you have the solution on how the Cowboys can win without giving Murray over 20+ carries than i'd love to hear it. But the only evidence i've seen that proves this team can win consistently? Its been giving him 20+ carries. Its punished defenses and has benefited our own defense by not being on the field as much.