I would not pay WR's big money

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yep, Hurts gets going against prevent defenses piling up the garbage yards. I'm a huge fan of his and I hope Philly keeps him for the next 10 years. lol

Dak got a huge contract out of doing that, so at least Jalen has the blueprint

 

[KJJ]

BUT, sometimes, you did need a great wr to show you what you have at QB. It wasn't long ago that Dakota struggled to break 200 yards passing a game. Mid season, we swing a trade for Amari b/c we had to know if the problem was the QB or the WRs. So, every QB needs a baseline of talent. Imagine how many Super Bowls NE would have if they helped Brady out more. He had 1 HOF (randy moss) his entire career in NE. The rest were marginal players with any other QB.

A lot of times a great QB can make a receiver. Dan Marino made the Marks Brothers in Miami. Dak struggled to break 200 yards passing early in his career because he was still developing and we were a run first team. We had nothing at receiver when we traded for Amari Cooper. He made plays and opened up opportunities for our other receivers. We’re going to miss that. We’ll have to see how CeeDee performs as our number one with coverage rolling over to him. It’s likely to be a lot tougher on him especially with Gallup out. As for NE and Brady he’s had good receivers throughout his career. He had Wes Welker for a number of years along with Edelman. He’s had Gronk for years and had Randy Moss. The Super Bowls he lost and the Super Bowls he didn’t reach weren’t because of his receivers.

 

[KJJ]

name me the teams that get by with an elite QB?

It happens ... but what's that saying? Even a blind squirrel fins a nut once in a while.

Antonio Brown was the best WR in football 6 years ago. he was on fire.. Big Ben went down and he immediately became below avg. Dude was catching like 2-3 balls a a game for 17 yards when Ben went down.

When you watch Jerry Rice’s highlights you never saw him having to make diving catches. Montana and Steve Young were able to throw him open placing the ball right in his hands in stride. This isn’t to say he never made some great catches but both Montana and Young were very accurate.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, it's a team sport. If Stafford didn't get that point across, I don't know what will. But there's a big difference with a QB with a 5M cap hit and a QB with a 30M cap hit. Imagine how much more help you can get with that extra 25M. At least for as long as your rookie deal lasts.

How much more help? 1 receiver?

Dak was on a rookie deal for 4 years. Didn’t matter.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It will always be a players’ league. Nobody roots for the owners. Players have more leverage

fans root for teams not players. Owners own the teams.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

fans root for teams not players. Owners own the teams.

You don’t think fans root for players?

Fans root for the local team, regardless of the owner’s involvement. And the players who play for that local team.

In a shocking move, if Jerry Jones moved the Cowboys to be the second Chicago team, and Dallas got an expansion franchise a few years later… how many people here do you think would still be Chicago fans in 2030? They don’t root for Jones, they root for Dallas and Dallas’s players.

The owner owns the Cowboys, but the players ARE the cowboys.

You can always get a new owner. But there aren’t 100’s of non-NFL men in the world who can do what Dak can, what CeeDee can, what Zack Martin can. They’re what’s special, they’re the commodity, they are what makes the NFL great.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You don’t think fans root for players?

Fans root for the local team, regardless of the owner’s involvement. And the players who play for that local team.

In a shocking move, if Jerry Jones moved the Cowboys to be the second Chicago team, and Dallas got an expansion franchise a few years later… how many people here do you think would still be Chicago fans in 2030? They don’t root for Jones, they root for Dallas and Dallas’s players.

The owner owns the Cowboys, but the players ARE the cowboys.

You can always get a new owner. But there aren’t 100’s of non-NFL men in the world who can do what Dak can, what CeeDee can, what Zack Martin can. They’re what’s special, they’re the commodity, they are what makes the NFL great.

why would anyone want players to rule the league. It will go in the toilet.

Players come and go, teams live on.

you gonna go root for Cleveland now that cooper is there? Nope

if Dak gets 40 million that hurts the team you love. Cmon, give it a rest. It’s about team not players.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

why would anyone want players to rule the league. It will go in the toilet.

Players come and go, teams live on.

you gonna go root for Cleveland now that cooper is there? Nope

if Dak gets 40 million that hurts the team you love. Cmon, give it a rest. It’s about team not players.

Players rule the league now and it’s more lucrative than its ever been.

Dak getting 40m creates parity. The cowboys have to keep him because the odds of getting an equal replacement are so low. Thus, it helps other teams catch up to Dallas with alternate salary cap moves that Dallas can’t make, like AJ Brown, like Tyreek Hill, like Khalil Mack.

Dak getting paid is good for everyone in the nfl. Good for Dallas, good for Dallas’s opponents, good for fans, good for Dak, good for Jerry, good for future QBs looking to get paid.

 

[G2]

WRs average 2.8 years in the NFL and that doesn't account for the truly elite ones.
RBs average 2.57 years.

They're both a dime a dozen and it makes no sense extending them like they're a QB or lineman with longer careers.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Players rule the league now and it’s more lucrative than its ever been.

Dak getting 40m creates parity. The cowboys have to keep him because the odds of getting an equal replacement are so low. Thus, it helps other teams catch up to Dallas with alternate salary cap moves that Dallas can’t make, like AJ Brown, like Tyreek Hill, like Khalil Mack.

Dak getting paid is good for everyone in the nfl. Good for Dallas, good for Dallas’s opponents, good for fans, good for Dak, good for Jerry, good for future QBs looking to get paid.

we’re you hoping Dak signed for 40 or 35? It’s that simple. We are all hoping cowboys get a deal.

league was much better when players were playing because they loved the game. Players refusing to play until they get crazy money isn’t good for the league or the teams.

when the league became about making money over winning, that’s when it started going down hill.

 

[Killerinstinct]

elite players should be paid like elite players. This belief that the next guy up for a new contract deserves to be paid similarly is unjustified. Adams, Hopkins, Hill are worth it. Paying Cooper similarly was a problem. If this means losing a player to another team then so be it. That team has put themselves at a disadvantage.

 

[Reid1boys]

You don’t think fans root for players?

Fans root for the local team, regardless of the owner’s involvement. And the players who play for that local team.

In a shocking move, if Jerry Jones moved the Cowboys to be the second Chicago team, and Dallas got an expansion franchise a few years later… how many people here do you think would still be Chicago fans in 2030? They don’t root for Jones, they root for Dallas and Dallas’s players.

The owner owns the Cowboys, but the players ARE the cowboys.

You can always get a new owner. But there aren’t 100’s of non-NFL men in the world who can do what Dak can, what CeeDee can, what Zack Martin can. They’re what’s special, they’re the commodity, they are what makes the NFL great.

Fans root for the player because they are ON THE TEAM. The player leaves, the fans still root for the team. Players come and players go, but the team remains constant.

 

[dfense]

2021

Cooper 68 catches 865yards 12.7 avg 41 long 8TDs
Wilson 45 catches 602yards 13.4 avg 72 long 6TDs

Not much of a difference between them considering Amari was a full season starter. Talk about rags to riches. Cedrick was actually cut by Dallas and signed to the practice squad in 2019. 2022 he's 22 million richer.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

we’re you hoping Dak signed for 40 or 35? It’s that simple. We are all hoping cowboys get a deal.

league was much better when players were playing because they loved the game. Players refusing to play until they get crazy money isn’t good for the league or the teams.

when the league became about making money over winning, that’s when it started going down hill.

It doesn’t matter what was hope Dak would sign for, he wasn’t going to for 35. I compromise got him for 40, which allows Dallas to have a long term franchise QB and not rebuild yet again.

Players refusing to play until they get money may not be good for A team, but it works out for the new team. Just as much as Tennessee doesn’t appreciate AJ’s stance, Philly is all the better for it, and the league as a whole stands pat.

You say it’s not good for the league, yet nothing is being affected by it. Buffalo is a perennial contender in large part because Stefon wanted out of Minny. Wherever Aaron went this offseason would have created an instant contender. The excitement of it dwarfs general fan bitterness. This is the best, most engaging offseason the NFL has had maybe ever.

 

[jterrell]

If you don’t want to pay a WR then you’ll be stuck without a good one because even good ones are making big money. There’s a reason their salaries are starting to skyrocket. Amari Cooper had better numbers last season than AJ Brown who will be making 25 million per. If it was up to some of you we wouldn’t have a good QB or a viable WR. By the way I wouldn’t be lumping a WR in with an RB. This is a passing league and you have to have playmakers at the WR position. Most teams are rotating RB’s and they can be found more easily than an elite WR. There’s a reason WRs are going high in the draft and RBs no longer are.

Thats not really true.
You can draft a good one every year.
Dallas has 2 good WR right now not making big money in Gallup and CeeDee.
This would require drafting a WR essentially every year but Dallas has proven to be good at drafting them and that's not a bad plan.
You just gotta keep drafting them.
That worked with Ced Wilson, CeeDee, Gallup.

The simple reality is there are about 100X more humans with WR size than there are OL or interior DL.
Parcells argued against drafting WR early because he wanted the rarer humans.
On its face he isn't wrong.

Also if you look closely many of the best WR in football come in rounds 2 and 3.
Claypool was 49, AJ Brown was 51.
I'd gladly toss a 2 or 3 yearly at WR and see what happens there before going 20M+ AAV for a WR.
Like RB it isn't an overly long life-line position and once you give these guys insane money they tend to become divas wanting to dictate the offense.

 

[KJJ]

Thats not really true.
You can draft a good one every year.
Dallas has 2 good WR right now not making big money in Gallup and CeeDee.
This would require drafting a WR essentially every year but Dallas has proven to be good at drafting them and that's not a bad plan.
You just gotta keep drafting them.
That worked with Ced Wilson, CeeDee, Gallup.

Drafting a good one every year is not true. You don’t always hit on them. The Cowboys have a couple of good WRs and one of them is injured and may end up on PUP the first few weeks of the regular season. We’ll have to see what the rookie has in camp. CeeDee has never had to deal with being the number one receiver for us. With Cooper gone all the coverage will roll over to him. He’s going to have to step up the season and eliminate the drops. He only had one catch against San Francisco in the playoffs.

 

[Flamma]

How much more help? 1 receiver?

Dak was on a rookie deal for 4 years. Didn’t matter.

Yeah, 1 WR. There's not a WR in the league that takes up 25M in cap space. For example, Gallup, Shultz, Anything Brown, Kearse, all don't take up 25M in cap space this season combined.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It doesn’t matter what was hope Dak would sign for, he wasn’t going to for 35. I compromise got him for 40, which allows Dallas to have a long term franchise QB and not rebuild yet again.

Players refusing to play until they get money may not be good for A team, but it works out for the new team. Just as much as Tennessee doesn’t appreciate AJ’s stance, Philly is all the better for it, and the

You say it’s not good for the league, yet nothing is being affected by it. Buffalo is a perennial contender in large part because Stefon wanted out of Minny. Wherever Aaron went this offseason would have created an instant contender. The excitement of it dwarfs general fan bitterness. This is the best, most engaging offseason the NFL has had maybe ever.

That’s what I thought, you wanted the discount. So don’t act like you root for the player. Lol

Nfl has gotten worse. Lots of fans are fed up

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, 1 WR. There's not a WR in the league that takes up 25M in cap space. For example, Gallup, Shultz, Anything Brown, Kearse, all don't take up 25M in cap space this season combined.

These new deals are 25 million or more.

Did having those guys on the team win us a championship?

 

[G2]

Some of these WRs with the higher salaries have the same agent. It's one of the things I dislike about the salary cap era. I have zero issue with any person making as much money as they can, but I think the quality of play could improve dramatically if they focused on that more.