I wouldn't be opposed to Mike McCarthy returning

[RustyBourneHorse]

If they win 4-5 more. They are gonna run it back . Unless the last loss keeps them out of a crazy playoff scenario. Listen to MP talk about Zim lately. He doesn’t want to learn another scheme. Offensively, the scheme sucks. But the players love Big Mike. His play calling skills bother the hell out of me. I can see Jerry telling him to turn the play calling duties over to someone else and going back to being the HC.

Well, and that's where Daboll might come in. He's a good play caller who's been in a bad situation with the Giants.

 

[BigD5]

I wouldn't be opposed to Bill either. Either him, Vrabel, or Mike would be great. That said, how much of that was Brady?

Like I've said, Jerry extending Mike's contract would be fine by me. Other than Bill and Vrabel (and who's to say either would be on board with Jerry hiring them), I might be inclined to keep Mike.

Well some was Brady. But who developed a 6th round draft pick into the GOAT QB?

Also it seems as though people have forgotten that those Patriot teams were built on defense. Especially the early teams. Their defense won them more super bowls than Brady did. Bill and his defenses also were the main reason Parcells had any success and won 2 super bowls with the Giants

 

[TheCritic]

I've come to the conclusion that while there are better coaches out there, that it would take the Joneses selling the team to get one. Or at least Jerry stepping down as GM. Not holding my breath. McCarthy is as good as it gets for now IMO

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Well some was Brady. But who developed a 6th round draft pick into the GOAT QB?

Also it seems as though people have forgotten that those Patriot teams were built on defense. Especially the early teams. Their defense won them more super bowls than Brady did. Bill and his defenses also were the main reason Parcells had any success and won 2 super bowls with the Giants

Valid, and I'd love for Bill to be here. I'm just saying, if he and Vrabel tell Jerry to take a hike, McCarthy for another few seasons wouldn't be a problem with me.

 

[BigD5]

Valid, and I'd love for Bill to be here. I'm just saying, if he and Vrabel tell Jerry to take a hike, McCarthy for another few seasons wouldn't be a problem with me.

I agree. At this point who cares? Jerry is the real Head Coach anyway

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I agree. At this point who cares? Jerry is the real Head Coach anyway

Exactly, and, at least McCarthy has the team fighting. Not many coaches that Jerry's hired (besides Jimmy and Parcells) can do that.

 

[blueblood70]

I know some of you will ridicule this OP, and I don't care. I wouldn't be opposed to Mike McCarthy returning. There's something to be said for a coach who, despite all the adversity he's faced, has kept this team in contention to where the playoffs are not out of the realm of possibility.

I remember in 2015 when we lost Romo, and the team fell apart under Garrett for a 4-12 record. This is now twice where Mike has kept this team fighting despite significant injuries to the team.

I think, unless the replacement in mind is someone like Vrabel, I'd rather Jerry give Mike a 3-4 year extension (especially since there's no cap on a coach). If Jerry and Mike are okay with this, I'd like a coaching staff of Mike at HC, Daboll at OC (he did well with Josh Allen in Buffalo, and he can call good plays), and Saleh at DC. That'd actually be a good coaching staff.

I know it's easy to look at a coach like Bill B and point to the championships. However, 1. What's his record without Brady and 2. How does he coach through adversity?

To me, when I see Mike McCarthy coach, I see someone who has, despite Jerry, kept a culture of keeping a struggling and less talented team fighting. It seemed he'd lost the locker room. Yet, especially the last 3 weeks, he's got the team fighting. Sure, he's got his flaws, and every coach does. That said, I love the culture he's instilled of fighting through adversity. He's got a winning record with us.

So yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a 3-4 year deal for Mike *shrugs*, especially since Jerry can sack him without salary cap consequences.

I'm 100% opposed to it unless he listens to some outside sources and gives up his play calling and completely has this offense and defense revamped literally we need new voices new schemes new ideas we need some fresh faces in here and that's why I just don't wanna back he's a nice guy he's a good guy he's a pretty good coach but he lacks his own self evaluation to see that his offense is pretty much as bad he has lacks creativity he lacks the use of in game adjustment skills to see what's going on to see that his game plans are terrible and he doesn't ever adjust he doesn't use players correctly until it's too late I mean it would be nice when we had our full compliment like with Prescott and everybody else on the team healthy that he actually started game one with a lot of motion using Turpin more in the offense I mean using Rico from day one as a starter these things are his job these are obvious to all of us no if it wasn't obvious up front it was obvious after the Pittsburgh game that Rico Donald deserved to be the number one running back and he should have got every carry that he can handle except for the ones he needs to go out for some rest and it should have been happening since the Pittsburgh game was very obvious but there are the coaches they are the ones that look at practice and they try to force everybody else into the role of running back by committee and it didn't work and yet they didn't even have the foresight and the self evaluation to get it fixed and that's why I want them gone not 'cause he's a bad coach it's just time..

The only way he comes back here is if it's truly no other really good coaches wanna be here you know the interviews with Jerry go badly he won't listen to them he won't take the advice and maybe give up some of his control and that's what they're gonna want maybe Bill Belichick some of these old school coaches might not wanna come here and some of these high end coaches you know like the lions offensive coordinator they may not wanna be here we may not have a choice but to keep Mike McCarthy but even in that case Jerry Jones better take the play calling away from and hire a real offensive coordinator so if you can't change the head coach you can change the offensive coordinator and that's the only way I would accept him here without back I'm gonna be pretty angry if he stays here and it's gonna be another year of this terrible WCO offense..

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think McCarthy is gone at the end of the year, its just the easiest thing for Jerry to sell the fans is a coaching change.

Ultimately though I don't see 2024 as a McCarthy failure nearly as much as it is a front office failure. I wouldn't mind him receiving an extension, but roster building philosophies need to change for anyone to really have success past mediocrity.

 

[maryquality]

What bothers me the most about McCarthy is that some of his play calling has no rhyme or reason to it!! I find myself during games saying "WTH was that play call?"

 

[blueblood70]

I agree. At this point who cares? Jerry is the real Head Coach anyway

actually he's not he's simply the owner in the GM and yeah he makes a lot of decisions but not what goes on on the practice field not what goes on on the active roster who's inactive and how many plays each player play and This is why I have to keep coming at you because you keep making statements you think are true but it's just a fan narrative it's he it's not metal and that type of things that once it gets on the field this is on the head coach it is on the coaching staff to overcome any ridiculous pressure or things they have to deal with with Jerry's mouth yes Jerry has his hands on a lot of things but not that he does not make up plays he does not call down and tell them who to play and who not to play and if it hasn't been that obvious I mean Ezekiel Elliott was brought here in the last four weeks the coaching staff has hardly used them at all he's had like 20 touches or I don't know it's not a lot he's just giving Rico a breather and if that was the guy everyone said was gonna be Jerry's pet cat he brought back it's kinda obvious that that's not the truth this is all on Mike McCarthy Mike McCarthy decides who plays how much they play and it's his play calling and Mike zimmer's play calling this is on them that once the game start this is on them.. There's a lot of blame to go around but act like Jerry's a head coach is ridiculous it's one of the oldest and worst narratives that's completely untrue he does not get involved outside of the trades and the draft and free agency he puts the players on the field whether they're the good ones or not he makes the decisions or lack of decisions we get that but he does not have any control in the everyday operations of the actual roster in the way it's utilized on the field during game days game plans all that is not Jerry if you think it is you and I are gonna keep going through this on every thread these are the narratives that I say are the worst and untrue narratives that keep being spread around just like the word tank that is a fan thing and saying Jerry's meddling so much that he's involved in the head coaching is also a busted and untrue unsubstantiated narrative that you all like to throw around 'cause you like to hate Jerry so every thread what do we get you saying Jerry's name this was not even about Jerry this is about Mike McCarthy but you circled it back around and you made it about Jerry no Jerry will be doing the hiring firing but Jerry doesn't deal with what's going on building game day rosters and game plans and how the play calling goes that is what a head coach does and that is where Mike McCarthy's been failing especially as an offensive coordinator....

 

[blueblood70]

What bothers me the most about McCarthy is that some of his play calling has no rhyme or reason to it!! I find myself during games saying "WTH was that play call?"

right I don't think he's a bad head coach but he's a terrible offensive coordinator and that's why we don't want him back but if he does come back my caveat my condition is they better get a really good offensive coordinator and then just let him do his thing completely revamp this offense we don't even need a lot of new players we need a new vision and a new scheme and somebody who has an idea on how to actually play the game of chess like war during games and figure out the other teams doing and try to counter it and try to get better at it as the game goes on he does not do that he relies on his talent he is just a extended version of Garrett that they're not any good if they don't have their full complement of players to run what they wanna run...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I'm 100% opposed to it unless he listens to some outside sources and gives up his play calling and completely has this offense and defense revamped literally we need new voices new schemes new ideas we need some fresh faces in here and that's why I just don't wanna back he's a nice guy he's a good guy he's a pretty good coach but he lacks his own self evaluation to see that his offense is pretty much as bad he has lacks creativity he lacks the use of in game adjustment skills to see what's going on to see that his game plans are terrible and he doesn't ever adjust he doesn't use players correctly until it's too late I mean it would be nice when we had our full compliment like with Prescott and everybody else on the team healthy that he actually started game one with a lot of motion using Turpin more in the offense I mean using Rico from day one as a starter these things are his job these are obvious to all of us no if it wasn't obvious up front it was obvious after the Pittsburgh game that Rico Donald deserved to be the number one running back and he should have got every carry that he can handle except for the ones he needs to go out for some rest and it should have been happening since the Pittsburgh game was very obvious but there are the coaches they are the ones that look at practice and they try to force everybody else into the role of running back by committee and it didn't work and yet they didn't even have the foresight and the self evaluation to get it fixed and that's why I want them gone not 'cause he's a bad coach it's just time..

The only way he comes back here is if it's truly no other really good coaches wanna be here you know the interviews with Jerry go badly he won't listen to them he won't take the advice and maybe give up some of his control and that's what they're gonna want maybe Bill Belichick some of these old school coaches might not wanna come here and some of these high end coaches you know like the lions offensive coordinator they may not wanna be here we may not have a choice but to keep Mike McCarthy but even in that case Jerry Jones better take the play calling away from and hire a real offensive coordinator so if you can't change the head coach you can change the offensive coordinator and that's the only way I would accept him here without back I'm gonna be pretty angry if he stays here and it's gonna be another year of this terrible WCO offense..

That's why I said "unless the replacement in mind is someone like Vrabel". So, if it was Bill, Vrabel, or someone or that sort of coach, obviously, Jerry should sack Mike McCarthy. However, assuming the Jerry variable and if coaches like Vrabel and Bill tell Jerry to take a long walk through the Amazon, the I have no problem with Mike coming back. I'd like him to have a different play caller. (I'd also love Ben Johnson at HC, but I think he's going to Chicago)

 

[blueblood70]

That's why I said "unless the replacement in mind is someone like Vrabel". So, if it was Bill, Vrabel, or someone or that sort of coach, obviously, Jerry should sack Mike McCarthy. However, assuming the Jerry variable and if coaches like Vrabel and Bill tell Jerry to take a long walk through the Amazon, the I have no problem with Mike coming back. I'd like him to have a different play caller. (I'd also love Ben Johnson at HC, but I think he's going to Chicago)

to be honest I didn't read your whole thing I was in a hurry but I get what you're saying I don't hate the man as a head coach but I hate the man as an offensive coordinator... That's not changing these two game-winning streak run it has nothing to do with that if you watch still really close in the games you still see the disconnect this is his fault that Rico and Turpin and this offense has looked so bad for two years at times we need some juice any ices his players his play calling just counters his own play calling it makes it easy for the counter... They're over there watching this stuff and going hey I know what's coming that's pretty obvious they probably know what's coming 3 plays later that's what I'm upset about that's why I want them gone...

 

[Ring6]

Cool, you do you, there is no perfect answer. I'd prefer to move on, and hire Ben Johnson away from the Lions.

 

[blueblood70]

That's why I said "unless the replacement in mind is someone like Vrabel". So, if it was Bill, Vrabel, or someone or that sort of coach, obviously, Jerry should sack Mike McCarthy. However, assuming the Jerry variable and if coaches like Vrabel and Bill tell Jerry to take a long walk through the Amazon, the I have no problem with Mike coming back. I'd like him to have a different play caller. (I'd also love Ben Johnson at HC, but I think he's going to Chicago)

i'm hoping that's not the case but yes there's a VERY small % that MM comes back but again they must resign his OC status get great OC to offset MM short comings.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Cool, you do you, there is no perfect answer. I'd prefer to move on, and hire Ben Johnson away from the Lions.

I'd love to have Ben Johnson too, but I think he's going to Chicago.

 

[JonesBoys]

Yea this a cute little 2 game win streak. Even if they make a run to sneak in I still can’t forgive that beat down at home in the playoffs against GB. McCarthy has had talent here with 3 straight 12 win seasons and they have done nothing come playoff time.
Dallas needs a coach that can get them over the hump. McCarthy has had 5 years and I don’t see anything that shows he’s the guy. Solid coach but with an owner like Jerrah he can’t get the job done.
They need a coach that won’t care what Jerrah says they are going to run the team the way they want. Unfortunately Jerrah probably doesn’t hire that type of coach so we are right back with the McCarthy’s of the world.

 

[JW82]

We beat the worst team in football at home. Coming off a season ending no show playoff blowout at home. Yes lets get him a lifetime contract...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

i'm hoping that's not the case but yes there's a VERY small % that MM comes back but again they must resign his OC status get great OC to offset MM short comings.

Well, And here's and upside. If Jerry does extend Mike with a 3-4 year deal, there's no salary cap on coaches. Let's say, hypothetically, that we keep him with a different OC calling the plays. Let's suppose the 49ers have another terrible season and Kyle Shanahan gets sacked. If Jerry can get Kyle to agree to come here, that's an upgrade. I'm just using Kyle Shanahan as a hypothetical, but the point is we could keep Mike until an obvious upgrade that would agree to work with Jerry comes along (assuming Mike even accepts a new contract, which he might not).

 

[fivetwos]

This roster isn’t terrible, but since they refuse to use free agency, it’s going to take at least two great drafts to fix it, and even by then, positions that aren’t problems now will be by that time.

They continue to look down the road at how they are going to keep all the home grown players that aren’t good enough together. That’s their plan. Good luck.

Whoever the next HC is has little chance to succeed, so the advantage of keeping McCarthy lies in that he will likely sign as little as a two year extension, whereas a new coach will want at least four…..and as we clearly see…they do NOT eat years. They will be here for every minute even if it’s obviously not a great choice after half the contract length.