If Dak can't throw, how do you explain 2016?

[Johnny23]

It's simple, Dak got lucky that with several dropped interceptions on his streak. Dak displayed all the issues that I and others have with him that show up on tape.

1. He only sees half the field and can only make one read.

2. He runs toward his target.. and telegraphs his throws.

3. Slow decision maker if the quick first read isn't there.

4. Poor foot work...

5. Lackluster pocket awareness and internal clock.

I am just sick of this song and dance that Dak was flawless two years ago. He hasn't changed the way he plays since college. Just because he gotvaway with his bad habits his rookie year doesn't mean that keeps up. The tape doesn't lie. How he consistently misses throws and something has to give.

 

[plymkr]

Dak? Dak? .......Linehan too, big-time.

I agree

 

[buybuydandavis]

Zeke was shut down by a top run defense.

Zeke wasn't shut down by Carolina. 4.6 ypc. He was shut down by our OC.

 

[buybuydandavis]

See above, Romo coached/mentored DAK. There is so much a QB has to know, read defense, protections, plays etc. DAK had the best coach on the Cowboys team helping him. After Romo's departure....DAK was left to figure it out on his own = drop in performance

Romo on the Team = DAK Shined
Romo gone = DAK disappoints

The rumor from Butler was that Romo installed the offense every week. "The coaches don't coach." I'm very interested to know if Romo was still doing that in 2016.

2015 started with Romo as QB, so he likely continued doing it all through 2015 when injured, so doing it again in 2016 seems a real possibility too.

I wish there were actually journalists somewhere who would follow up on this story.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It's simple, Dak got lucky that with several dropped interceptions on his streak. Dak displayed all the issues that I and others have with him that show up on tape.

Dak always had some pocket presence issues, but he was never nearly so panicky in 2016 as he's become since the Atlanta game.

 

[Melonfeud]

This is just not even close to true and refuted by people close to the team. Everyone agrees that Sanchez and Moore were the two people in Dak's ears, not Tony. Stop pushing this false narrative. It gets annoying hearing the same thing after a while.

Well bro! I can only recall seeing ROMO wearing the offensive headsets on the sidelines,,, no Moore nor Sanchez,although,while yer most assuredly entitled to yer beliefs ,YER' not authorized in expounding upon them & even slightly expecting in gaining any traction with it,ya know?

 

[beware_d-ware]

Dak has regressed, plain and simple. I said it in another thread - blame Zeke, Linehan, Romo, defenses catching on, I don't care. There was still probably 4-6 throws on Sunday when he had a clean pocket and a wide-open receiver and he simply missed the freaking throw. Some of those throws were so horrendous that I doubt he would have started at Mississipi State if he was truly unable to make those. We've SEEN him make them before, so it's not like he's a 4th round scrub that teams have finally caught up to. He's gotten worse as a player.

Now is Linehan's offense helping? Hell no, the offense we called on Sunday was embarassingly conservative and predictable. NFL defenses have caught onto our plays - everyone knows that 2 TEs means we're going to run the ball, everyone knows that Dak is going to the TE in the flat off of play action. The gameplan to stopping us is so obvious that opposing players openly discuss it with the media. But when push comes to shove. Dak simply can't hit an open throw. Before the Atlanta game he could, after the Atlanta game, he has repeatedly struggled with it.

 

[birdwells1]

But there are 31 other teams who are seen on tape also. What makes us so different from them?

Not to mention a lot of those teams still succeed regardless of tape. The tape excuse has to stop.

We did to when we had a highly dangerous passing offense and an highly effective running game. You put the defense in a "pick your poison" situation. For every dc in the league it's a no brainer, take away the run game against the Cowboys.
If playing the Saints what would the same dc choose? Whatever he chooses to take away against the Saints they'll kill you with the other, until we can do this we are going to have problems.

 

[birdwells1]

Clear your cards, we have a bingo.

Prescott 2017-18
with all 5 OL starters playing most of game
212 of 338 2464 yd (7.3 ypa) 21 td 6 int 98.0
without
98 of 151 851 yd (5.6 ypa) 0 td 7 int 60.3

Which one is the real Prescott? They both are. Dak's problem (and with the current state of the OL, the team's problem) is that consistent pressure ruins his game.

I know that this is true for all qbs (more pressure/lower rating) but to what degree? Is his drop off the same?

 

[Jake]

If dak can't throw, how do you explain 2016?

If zeke was a crutch for dak in 2016, how do you explain week 1?

This is how. In 2016, Zeke was ripping off chunks on early downs. Teams have learned they don't have to respect our passing game.

 

[G2]

I wouldn't put all of money on this one game. All of these numbers and stats comparing one game to 2016 and/or 2017 are going to look a lot different at the end of the season. For better or worse.
I get that the offense was garbage and Prescott was bad but for **** sake, this place is like the apocalypse hit from one game.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I wouldn't put all of money on this one game. All of these numbers and stats comparing one game to 2016 and/or 2017 are going to look a lot different at the end of the season. For better or worse.
I get that the offense was garbage and Prescott was bad but for **** sake, this place is like the apocalypse hit from one game.

If we win it's on to the playoffs. That's the way it is around here. lol

 

[G2]

If we win it's on to the playoffs. That's the way it is around here. lol

Crazy!

 

[HungryLion]

So many forget this. Even the 'magical' 2016 run wasn't actually all on Dak until the media started to pump the stories.

early on it was establish on the back of an exceptional run game, with Zeke putting up 100+ yards every game. then when the D stacked the box, we simplified the O for dak.. he wasn't calling audibles etc etc.. he was restricted to screen passes, bubble routes and simple check downs. Also he was using his legs to pick up some easy first downs.

We also had a few games where it didn't look good in the first half but we eventually wore down the D and came with the surge late in games.

We NEVER won football games because teams were afraid of Dak's arm.. never. So many sheep bought into the hysteria when those who were really paying attention could see the glaring holes. Hence why we spent so long pleading, praying and hoping Romo would come back.

Since we dumped Romo.. gave Dak extended play calling etc.. we have seen the hot garbage he produces. He still can't read the D at all.. has no arm strength and without Zeke pounding the rock for 100 and wearing out the D.. he looks ineffectual.

2016 was indeed the somewhat perfect storm.. had we bought back Romo it could have been the perfect season but alas.. our time has passed. Sadly we have no viable options to replace Dak right now.. but I would be getting the cheque book out and hunting. Put a decent QB into the line up and we still could save this season.

This post is not accurate.

Dak made a lot of plays downfield in 2016. He wasn’t restricted to bubble screens and Check downs.

 

[G2]

This post is not accurate.

Dak made a lot of plays downfield in 2016. He wasn’t restricted to bubble screens and Check downs.

It's interesting that there are some letting the coaching off the hook.

 

[black label]

This is how. In 2016, Zeke was ripping off chunks on early downs. Teams have learned they don't have to respect our passing game.

my 92 year old grammy saw this coming

 

[Jake]

Zeke wasn't shut down by Carolina. 4.6 ypc. He was shut down by our OC.

The 4.6 average is deceiving. Zeke had two carries longer than 4 yards - one for 7, another for 14. He averaged 3.5 on the other 14 carries.

Coupled with being 2/12 on 3rd/4th down that made for a lot of short possessions.

 

[percyhoward]

I know that this is true for all qbs (more pressure/lower rating) but to what degree? Is his drop off the same?

No, that's why I say he needs a good psychiatrist. His drop off is a free fall into an abyss. It isn't normal for a QB to struggle from a clean pocket in games in which he's getting consistent pressure. Like his scouting report said and like we're all seeing right now, when the pressures in a game accumulate fast, he starts to feel pressure that isn't there and he becomes a different player. It's PTSD from his senior year in college, revisited in Atlanta. It's absolutely nothing new.

from a clean pocket in games when total pressures equaled or exceeded 40% of dropbacks.

2016-17
Brady
128 170 1418 11 2 116.2

Prescott
128 197 1225 8 10 74.5

Cousins
98 127 1112 7 2 114.6

Rodgers
57 82 567 5 1 104.0

Stafford
107 154 1095 5 0 100.4

Ryan
63 94 862 6 3 104.1

Keenum
153 218 1622 10 6 95.4

Winston
103 151 1273 7 2 103.9

Goff
87 128 907 4 4 85.6

Manning
47 73 454 2 1 85.1

Newton
111 187 1259 5 4 79.6

Smith
43 68 489 2 0 94.5

Rthlsbrgr
58 82 766 7 0 128.4

McCown
86 139 969 5 3 85.7

Bortles
59 91 626 4 3 85.7

Rivers
215 322 2655 20 9 101.0

Flacco
75 111 660 3 3 80.9

Wentz
60 82 715 4 2 105.4

Siemian
111 161 1320 4 4 91.6

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

It's interesting that there are some letting the coaching off the hook.

Just trying to give them more excuses.

 

[birdwells1]

No, that's why I say he needs a good psychiatrist. His drop off is a free fall into an abyss. It isn't normal for a QB to struggle from a clean pocket in games in which he's getting consistent pressure. Like his scouting report said and like we're all seeing right now, when the pressures in a game accumulate fast, he starts to feel pressure that isn't there and he becomes a different player. It's PTSD from his senior year in college, revisited in Atlanta. It's absolutely nothing new.

from a clean pocket in games when total pressures equaled or exceeded 40% of dropbacks.

2016-17
Brady
128 170 1418 11 2 116.2

Prescott
128 197 1225 8 10 74.5

Cousins
98 127 1112 7 2 114.6

Rodgers
57 82 567 5 1 104.0

Stafford
107 154 1095 5 0 100.4

Ryan
63 94 862 6 3 104.1

Keenum
153 218 1622 10 6 95.4

Winston
103 151 1273 7 2 103.9

Goff
87 128 907 4 4 85.6

Manning
47 73 454 2 1 85.1

Newton
111 187 1259 5 4 79.6

Smith
43 68 489 2 0 94.5

Rthlsbrgr
58 82 766 7 0 128.4

McCown
86 139 969 5 3 85.7

Bortles
59 91 626 4 3 85.7

Rivers
215 322 2655 20 9 101.0

Flacco
75 111 660 3 3 80.9

Wentz
60 82 715 4 2 105.4

Siemian
111 161 1320 4 4 91.6

Appreciate the info but it's safe to say that even the best oline will have off days but that shouldn't be the end of the game for us. I don't know if this something that he can work on but it sounds like if you get to him early then it's a wrap.