If it isnt broke dont fix it... blah blah blah

[aikemirv]

Well lets look at more than just the last game. Lets look at last season also. Lets also look at Julius in this category. How about Larry Johnson, or LT?
Also look at when those carries happened ect.
We all know that blocking, defense, ect plays a huge part in a runningbacks numbers.
We all knows that we can take whatever number we want and make it look like what we want. We also know that we have seen enough of MB now to cause the rest of the league to fear him. That means something.

I did look at Julius in that category. He had 4 carries for 2 yrds or less in 16 trys. Did you see that post.

If you want to know why the coaches continually start JJ (BP and now Wade) maybe this is the answer. BP, even when we were averageing early last year in the upper 3.?? yards range said he was happy with are running game and some could not figure that out.

I don't have time to look at last year to see the percentage of carries for so many yards, I just had time to do the game - and I think that game may be very telling.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Much of Barber's success comes for being a backup. No, it's not the workload or being fresh against tired defenders, it's from the opponent's gameplans.

When preparing for Dallas, an opposing defense has to prepare for a variety of styles. If Barber was the feature back, defenses could prepare for him.

I really like Barber, especially how he runs with anger, but defensing him isn't the most difficult thing in the world. Anyone who has watched him for any amount of time understands that he has a propensity to bounce every run outside. A team that maintained contain on every play could hold him in check.

He's a perfect fit for the role he has now.

 

[theogt]

Much of Barber's success comes for being a backup. No, it's not the workload or being fresh against tired defenders, it's from the opponent's gameplans.

When preparing for Dallas, an opposing defense has to prepare for a variety of styles. If Barber was the feature back, defenses could prepare for him.

I really like Barber, especially how he runs with anger, but defensing him isn't the most difficult thing in the world. Anyone who has watched him for any amount of time understands that he has a propensity to bounce every run outside. A team that maintained contain on every play could hold him in check.

He's a perfect fit for the role he has now.

Why can't teams prepare for Barber? You know he's going to be in the game at some point. You know when he's in the game. There's nothing different about that than preparing for 3 WR sets. You know teams will do it and you know when they're doing it in the game, so you can prepare for it just fine.

 

[5Stars]

Much of Barber's success comes for being a backup. No, it's not the workload or being fresh against tired defenders, it's from the opponent's gameplans.

When preparing for Dallas, an opposing defense has to prepare for a variety of styles. If Barber was the feature back, defenses could prepare for him.

I really like Barber, especially how he runs with anger, but defensing him isn't the most difficult thing in the world. Anyone who has watched him for any amount of time understands that he has a propensity to bounce every run outside. A team that maintained contain on every play could hold him in check.

He's a perfect fit for the role he has now.

I was waiting for the end of this thread to say exactely what you just said Stanley. Just because Barber is not the starter and doing very well could mean that teams game plan for JJ alot more than Barber. Put Barber in there and they will game plan more for him!

If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT...

 

[Hoov]

Ive already come out and stated i want barber to have more than 50% of the carries and why. But i find this to be intresting......

a year ago a few people wanted to see more of barber, but most wanted JJ to be the man. As barber continued to impress, the arguement was

1) barber is only good because he gets in the game in the 4th quarter when the defense is tired, he really would not be good otherwise.

as barber started getting more carries earlier in the game - this proved to be untrue.

2) Barber only excells because he is the 3rd down back and catches defense in their nickel package so he gets longer runs.

a review of play by play showed that barber was getting more and more 1st down carries and still performing well on that down - so this arguement is bogus.

3) Barber is great for moving the chains, but JJ is the homerun threat. But looking back we see that JJ had only that 1 long TD run against the saints. And anyone who has watched the games cant deny that Barber has had more BIG runs than Jones, or more "game changing" runs than jones.

4) now we have on this message board the majority of posters stating they think barber is the better back, and the only arguement left in support of Jones is "the coaches know more than anyone and they give him more carries so he must still be the better back in their eyes"

But i see a trend here, it looks like this final arguement is a grasping at straws if you will. watching the game should be telling enough IMO, Barber makes more big plays than Jones, and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that if Barber had more carries than Jones that he would become rendered ineffective.

 

[5Stars]

Why can't teams prepare for Barber? You know he's going to be in the game at some point. You know when he's in the game. There's nothing different about that than preparing for 3 WR sets. You know teams will do it and you know when they're doing it in the game, so you can prepare for it just fine.

You can prep for Barber, however, when you don't know when he will be used and in what situations, how you going to stop him!

Come on, my friend, think for once!!

 

[Hoov]

Much of Barber's success comes for being a backup. No, it's not the workload or being fresh against tired defenders, it's from the opponent's gameplans.

When preparing for Dallas, an opposing defense has to prepare for a variety of styles. If Barber was the feature back, defenses could prepare for him.

I really like Barber, especially how he runs with anger, but defensing him isn't the most difficult thing in the world. Anyone who has watched him for any amount of time understands that he has a propensity to bounce every run outside. A team that maintained contain on every play could hold him in check.

He's a perfect fit for the role he has now.

wasnt there a thread where the NYG said barber was the back they were concerned about prior to the game and not so much jones, sounds like they gameplanned for barber.

 

[theogt]

You can prep for Barber, however, when you don't know when he will be used and in what situations, how you going to stop him!

Come on, my friend, think for once!!

You don't know exactly when Julius will be used. You don't know exactly when 3, 4, and 5 receiver sets are going to be used. You don't know when a reverse is going to be used.

But you can prepare for all of them.

wasnt there a thread where the NYG said barber was the back they were concerned about prior to the game and not so much jones, sounds like they gameplanned for barber.

Indeed. It was Antonio Pierce.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You can prep for Barber, however, when you don't know when he will be used and in what situations, how you going to stop him!

Come on, my friend, think for once!!

Agreed. Perfect Answer.

 

[superpunk]

Why can't teams prepare for Barber? You know he's going to be in the game at some point. You know when he's in the game. There's nothing different about that than preparing for 3 WR sets. You know teams will do it and you know when they're doing it in the game, so you can prepare for it just fine.

It's all NFL teams can do to get across to their players that Julius Jones has a tendency to run up his blockers backs and goes down easy through the course of a week. If you're actually asking an NFL team to be able to prepare for a two back system...my friend....you ask too much.

These are the same coordinators who needed 5 games to "figure out" Tony Romo.

 

[superonyx]

Much of Barber's success comes for being a backup. No, it's not the workload or being fresh against tired defenders, it's from the opponent's gameplans.

When preparing for Dallas, an opposing defense has to prepare for a variety of styles. If Barber was the feature back, defenses could prepare for him.

I really like Barber, especially how he runs with anger, but defensing him isn't the most difficult thing in the world. Anyone who has watched him for any amount of time understands that he has a propensity to bounce every run outside. A team that maintained contain on every play could hold him in check.

He's a perfect fit for the role he has now.

So if that is true that a team could outside contain him with so much ease and it seems like opposing teams all have him on the radar. Then why is he still so successful? You mean to imply that teams are not smart enough to call outside run contain when barber is in the game? Knowing that he bounces every run outside?
Come on. At this level, with his success. You dont think teams look at tapes of barber as much if not more than Julius.
It wouldnt be that shocking to read that teams are game planing more for when barber comes in the game.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

These are the same coordinators who needed 5 games to "figure out" Tony Romo.

I have been meaning to ask... has he in fact been figured out?

 

[aikemirv]

I have been meaning to ask... has he in fact been figured out?

Yep, everybody is figuring out that he is very good!

 

[StanleySpadowski]

wasnt there a thread where the NYG said barber was the back they were concerned about prior to the game and not so much jones, sounds like they gameplanned for barber.

Everyone has a plan until the first time they're punched in the mouth.


Planning to focus on maintaining outside contain whenever Barber's in the game sounds great in theory but by the time he enters that thought's usually out the window. If he was the feature back that thought would usually be at the forefront.

Rewatch last season. You can really see where Barber's production slipped when teams focused on contain.

 

[5Stars]

I think this whole debate is just the phenom of everyone always wanting the 2nd stringer to be the starter. It happens with QB's all the time...

 

[superonyx]

You can prep for Barber, however, when you don't know when he will be used and in what situations, how you going to stop him!

Come on, my friend, think for once!!

You obviously do not realize that the defense gets a play called every play from the defensive coordinator. Then the MLB also has the ability to call out adjustments at the line of scrimmage. So when barber is in the game you think these professionals are sitting in the booth and on the field with a clueless dumb look on their faces saying "hey who is that guy? Julius runs up the middle so he must be going to do the same thing....duh"?

Barber does not bounce every run outside. And when he does it is usually because his vision and awareness sees a hole or a little corner he can run over.

 

[Rack]

Everyone has a plan until the first time they're punched in the mouth.


Planning to focus on maintaining outside contain whenever Barber's in the game sounds great in theory but by the time he enters that thought's usually out the window. If he was the feature back that thought would usually be at the forefront.

Rewatch last season. You can really see where Barber's production slipped when teams focused on contain.

This is a load of crap. You really need to quit talking out your backside.


The Giants game planned Barber, not Jones, yet Barber, not Jones, had the better game.

 

[5Stars]

You obviously do not realize that the defense gets a play called every play from the defensive coordinator. Then the MLB also has the ability to call out adjustments at the line of scrimmage. So when barber is in the game you think these professionals are sitting in the booth and on the field with a clueless dumb look on their faces saying "hey who is that guy? Julius runs up the middle so he must be going to do the same thing....duh"?

Barber does not bounce every run outside. And when he does it is usually because his vision and awareness sees a hole or a little corner he can run over.

Yeah, I guess I don't. I guess you realize everything, huh? OK, then I'm good to go...

Carry on...

 

[Manster68]

Not meaning to throw a wrench into this, but I would not mind seeing Tyson Thompson get the rock a play or two or three in the 2nd or 3rd quarter.

Good interesting thread though.

 

[joseephuss]

I did look at Julius in that category. He had 4 carries for 2 yrds or less in 16 trys. Did you see that post.

If you want to know why the coaches continually start JJ (BP and now Wade) maybe this is the answer. BP, even when we were averageing early last year in the upper 3.?? yards range said he was happy with are running game and some could not figure that out.

I don't have time to look at last year to see the percentage of carries for so many yards, I just had time to do the game - and I think that game may be very telling.

When did that happen? Through the first 5 games Julius had 108 rushing attempts(21.6 per game), 494 yards(98.8 per game) and averged 4.57 yards per carry. The running game was strong through those first 5 games and Bill Parcells had every reason to be pleased. I remember people on this board pleased that Julius was amongst the leaders in yards per game. It was after that when Julius only topped 4 yards per carry only once with his game against the Saints.

Now if you were talking about the first few games of the 2005 season, that seems to match what you are saying. Julius was providing good yardage totals even though he was not topping 4 yards per carry. The running threat was there which freed up Bledsoe, but they were not great fantasy league numbers for Julius.