If Jason Garrett/Linehan had made that call what would you do?

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I'm in the minority it seems. I don't think it was a great call, but I think it was an AMAZING play by the DB. Honestly I think the call outs for the result are a bit extreme - my guess is Carroll wanted to preserve the possibility of three plays. Throw here, if it's incomplete clock stops. Try again with a run and you have a time out.

Not to say that I wouldn't have preferred a run if I were a Seattle fan, but instead of giving blame to Carroll, I prefer to give credit to Butler. Dude made the play of his life.
 
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Yep...still waiting on the "Wilson chokes" narrative to show up
 

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I looked a the play again. It was awful all around, but Butler actually committed PI. He knocks the WR in the back off his route, which allows him to make a play on the ball that was put out a little to far either way.

http://heavy.com/sports/2015/02/russell-wilson-malcolm-butler-interception-game-winning-vine-video/

Mike Carey tweeted it was PI as well.

https://twitter.com/mikecareyref94

Bad call, PI, bad throw, stupid play call... Emmitt called in the dumbest call in NFL history. Deion pretty much the same thing. I heard Michael Irvin said they ere just trying to give the glory to Wilson, instead of Lynch.

Additionally, you run on second and then try pass on third with 2 TOs. And the Pats defense couldn't stop the run anyways, so yeah, it was a bad call, irrespective of other people are successful at throwing it in specific contexts.

No justification for that play-call.

He was playing the ball 100%. I can see the argument but calling PI on that would piss me off more than the Dez Catch to be honest.
 

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He was playing the ball 100%. I can see the argument but calling PI on that would piss me off more than the Dez Catch to be honest.

No, he played through the back of the WR. You can't play through the back of the WR 'even if your playing the ball' no matter which way you spin it.

If Wilson actually placed it a little better, it would be even more obvious.

They also missed the obvious offensive PI on the Patriots receiver on the last Patriots drive of the game on that bomb by Brady.
 

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I think Seahawks should have ran it but if you are going to throw in this situation it falls to the QB to throw it away if the man is not wide open.
 

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I'm in the minority it seems. I don't think it was a great call, but I think it was an AMAZING play by the DB. Honestly I think the call outs for the result are a bit extreme - my guess is Carroll wanted to preserve the possibility of three plays. Throw here, if it's incomplete clock stops. Try again with a run and you have a time out.

Not to say that I wouldn't have preferred a run if I were a Seattle fan, but instead of giving blame to Carroll, I prefer to give credit to Butler. Dude made the play of his life.
I have no issue with calling a pass, but you either hit a wide open guy or you throw it away. That pass on 4th down, last gasp, last chance, here it is, all or nothing...no problem with it at all. It is the situation that makes it horrible.
 

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I think Seahawks should have ran it but if you are going to throw in this situation it falls to the QB to throw it away if the man is not wide open.

They went to the well one too many with that rub/pick play.
 

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I think Seahawks should have ran it but if you are going to throw in this situation it falls to the QB to throw it away if the man is not wide open.

I have no issue with calling a pass, but you either hit a wide open guy or you throw it away. That pass on 4th down, last gasp, last chance, here it is, all or nothing...no problem with it at all. It is the situation that makes it horrible.

From WIlson's perspective he was wide open. Even if he knew the DB was breaking, you still expect your WR to get there a bit more aggressively. That Butler even caught it was the spectacular part.

I just feel like people find it easier to blame/find fault/point out mistakes than to recognize the positives. I cannot think of a better defensive moment in any super bowl than that play butler made, and I feel really bad that what he did right is so overshadowed by what Seattle did wrong.
 

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I mean, there is a reason that route and rub routes in general are so in fashion - they are INCREDIBLY hard to defend. And just then, all of a sudden, a defender defended it perfectly, when all else was lost.
 

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There's no doubt in my mind it would have been more about Romo than it would be the call.

Nobody outside of here knows Scott Linehan. The entire planet knows Tony Romo.

Makes me curious. All I've heard about is the play-call. Has anyone heard anybody blaming Russell Wilson for the interception?
 

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From WIlson's perspective he was wide open. Even if he knew the DB was breaking, you still expect your WR to get there a bit more aggressively. That Butler even caught it was the spectacular part.

I just feel like people find it easier to blame/find fault/point out mistakes than to recognize the positives. I cannot think of a better defensive moment in any super bowl than that play butler made, and I feel really bad that what he did right is so overshadowed by what Seattle did wrong.
Be honest with me CR. You, like me were talking out loud whether you were alone or in a room full of people. You saw Lynch's run on 1st down, and said, "Run it again."

If you didn't why the hell not?

If you did, why were you wrong?

Like I said, on 4th down, I have no issue with that call or throw. On 2nd down, with a timeout I don't mind a throw, but I mean wide open like Baldwin was. Otherwise you throw it away.
 

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Be honest with me CR. You, like me were talking out loud whether you were alone or in a room full of people. You saw Lynch's run on 1st down, and said, "Run it again."

If you didn't why the hell not?

If you did, why were you wrong?

Like I said, on 4th down, I have no issue with that call or throw. On 2nd down, with a timeout I don't mind a throw, but I mean wide open like Baldwin was. Otherwise you throw it away.

Of course I did. I figured, like everyone in America, that beast mode was going to run. Belichick did too because you notice he didn't take a time out and stacked 8 men on the LOS. But that doesn't mean that I feel like it was the worst throw in the world.

I would say that it was obvious what the route was though. I could tell the rub was coming, as could Butler obviously. But even then, just to drive on it and beat the WR there was a feat.

I just think that Butler's play was more impressive than Carroll's mistake.
 

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It was so dumb it seemed to be done on purpose. I mean the Patriots didn't even try to preserve the clock had the Seahawks scored. It was like they knew it was coming. Just weird...
 

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Of course I did. I figured, like everyone in America, that beast mode was going to run. Belichick did too because you notice he didn't take a time out and stacked 8 men on the LOS. But that doesn't mean that I feel like it was the worst throw in the world.

I would say that it was obvious what the route was though. I could tell the rub was coming, as could Butler obviously. But even then, just to drive on it and beat the WR there was a feat.

I just think that Butler's play was more impressive than Carroll's mistake.
Hoodie not using his timeouts to give his team a chance in case Seattle scored was every bit as stupid IMO.
 

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Hoodie not using his timeouts to give his team a chance in case Seattle scored was every bit as stupid IMO.

I think he basically expected them to score right then and was hoping to use hit time out for their own drive. I guess. I'm not sure I was confused lol.
 

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Hoodie not using his timeouts to give his team a chance in case Seattle scored was every bit as stupid IMO.

Yup! Ole Hoodie Head made a huge tactical error and the Seahawks let him off the hook. No way the Pats come back with 20 seconds on the clock.
 
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