If Roy Williams Didn't Play For Texas

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Like I said, both of them are ballers. They both can get it done.

When i hear drivel like this i find it very difficult to take anyone seriously. The rest of your post was actually fairly compelling but when I hear people use the term 'baller' trying to tout someone it makes me want to puke.

Heres another word for RW: underachiever.

There is no question in my mind that if RW was healthy and willing that he would be the better prospect. just see him as not very tough and not very focused and i dont see how that will change all of a sudden without giving him good reason.

As for big play threats we have one of the best all time in TO. What we need is a guy that can get open and catch the damn ball every time for a first down on 3rd and 8. Boldin is that guy.

 

[theogt]

A guy that averages 61 catches and 912 yards per season over his first 4 seasons in the NFL with Joey Harrington and Jon Kitna as his QB is an "underacheiver?"

My goodness, get him on this team then, because I can't imagine what kind of production he'd get with some motivation and Romo throwing to him.

 

[Shady12]

Good poing theogt. The guy is talented enough to dominate and be one of THE best in the league. Motivation has been a problem apparently..but playing for his favorite team in his home state, on a WINNING team, well I think that will light a fire. Boldin might be a little "safer" but Williams has the potential to be a better player than Boldin. And it's not like Williams is a risk (only in terms of injuries which Boldin also brings) because he's already very good.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good poing theogt. The guy is talented enough to dominate and be one of THE best in the league. Motivation has been a problem apparently..but playing for his favorite team in his home state, on a WINNING team, well I think that will light a fire. Boldin might be a little "safer" but Williams has the potential to be a better player than Boldin. And it's not like Williams is a risk (only in terms of injuries which Boldin also brings) because he's already very good.

I see so suddenly after being unmotivated for 4 years he is suddenly going to become motivated? He is what he is and that is up and down and unfortunately more down than up.

Now granted putting him in his comfort zone might motivate him but there is also the other side of the coin. It might make him even more complacent. Hes still going to get nicked up all the time anyway.

Gambling on first round draft picks is just bad business especially when the odds are 50-50 that hes going to be a FA next year anyway.

You are trading for one year of Roy Williams. 85 and Boldin both have three years left on their deals. All have very good expectations to play at their relative levels of production for the next 4 or more years.

1) 85 for 22
2) Boldin for 28
3) RW for 61

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

if we draft a guy like Felix Jones, or my personal favorite, Chris Johnson, he could possibly contribute as much as 2,000 yards his rookie year, that would beat out any rookie WR we could get

back to the OP, I have never, and will never, root for the Longhorns, and I desperately want Roy to wear the Star, or Anquan Boldin, if I had to choose, it would be Anquan because of background as a QB, so he can spot openings in the D better, and is the closest thing to TO in terms of YAC

Who's the last 2000 yard runner to come into the NFL in his Rookie season? I think there have only been 5 2000 yard seasons in the history of the NFL and none of them were ever accomplished by a Rookie. In fact, I believe the highest single season Rookie Rushing Record is still held by Eric Dickerson and that was 1808 in 1983. Now, that is not to shabby either but do you honestly see Eric Dickerson in Felix Jones, Chris Johnson or really, any of these backs? In fact, if you look at the top 10 rushing season in the history of the NFL, all but number 10 (Jim Brown 1863 yards) carry less then 300 times (291) and then, it was in a 14 Game Season. All the rest were well over 300 carries. Last year, as a team, we only had a total of 419 attempts for the entire season. That would mean that a Rookie would have to come in and basically carry the ball over 70% of the time. With Barber on the team, that doesn't sound very realistic to me.

I guess I just don't see any Rookie RB coming in and having that much impact on our offense. A quality Vet WR would have a huge impact IMO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who's the last 2000 yard runner to come into the NFL in his Rookie season? I think there have only been 5 2000 yard seasons in the history of the NFL and none of them were ever accomplished by a Rookie. In fact, I believe the highest single season Rookie Rushing Record is still held by Eric Dickerson and that was 1808 in 1983. Now, that is not to shabby either but do you honestly see Eric Dickerson in Felix Jones, Chris Johnson or really, any of these backs? In fact, if you look at the top 10 rushing season in the history of the NFL, all but number 10 (Jim Brown 1863 yards) carry less then 300 times (291) and then, it was in a 14 Game Season. All the rest were well over 300 carries. Last year, as a team, we only had a total of 419 attempts for the entire season. That would mean that a Rookie would have to come in and basically carry the ball over 70% of the time. With Barber on the team, that doesn't sound very realistic to me.

I guess I just don't see any Rookie RB coming in and having that much impact on our offense. A quality Vet WR would have a huge impact IMO.

sorry, I meant overall yardage, should have been more clear, I'm estimating that one of those 2 backs if they're drafted by us, return kicks for about 1,600 yards, and get 400-500 rushing, and about 200-300 reception yards

so 2,000 overall yardage at least is what I would expect either Felix or CJ to give us as rookies, esp. CJ since he's such a great receiver

 

[superpunk]

sorry, I meant to say overall yardage, I'm estimating that one of those 2 backs if they're drafted by us, return kicks for about 1,600 yards, and get 400-500 rushing, and about 200-300 reception yards

so over 2,000 overall yardage is what I would expect either Felix or CJ to give us, esp. CJ since he's such a great receiver

That was pretty obvious.

 

[theogt]

I see so suddenly after being unmotivated for 4 years he is suddenly going to become motivated? He is what he is and that is up and down and unfortunately more down than up.

Now granted putting him in his comfort zone might motivate him but there is also the other side of the coin. It might make him even more complacent. Hes still going to get nicked up all the time anyway.

Gambling on first round draft picks is just bad business especially when the odds are 50-50 that hes going to be a FA next year anyway.

You are trading for one year of Roy Williams. 85 and Boldin both have three years left on their deals. All have very good expectations to play at their relative levels of production for the next 4 or more years.

1) 85 for 22
2) Boldin for 28
3) RW for 61

He can come here and be unmotivated too. That's fine. As long as he's putting up 912 yards per season. I see no reason to think he'd put up less, and I see several reasons to think he'd put up more.

The problem with the Boldin trade is that it's just not likely to ever happen. They have no incentive to trade him. He's cheap and they don't have much behind him. The fact that RW actually only has 1 year left is what makes him a more likely trade target.

I wouldn't mind Chad Johnson either.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

sorry, I meant overall yardage, should have been more clear, I'm estimating that one of those 2 backs if they're drafted by us, return kicks for about 1,600 yards, and get 400-500 rushing, and about 200-300 reception yards

so 2,000 overall yardage at least is what I would expect either Felix or CJ to give us as rookies, esp. CJ since he's such a great receiver

If they can get a KR average of close to 30 get close to 800 yards rushing and close to 300 yards receiving they would be the rookie of the year.

Whoever the back is they probably wont get more than 150 carries so if they get 5 YPC and as a change of pace guy that is not impossible. Unlikely but doable.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If they can get a KR average of close to 30 get close to 800 yards rushing and close to 300 yards receiving they would be the rookie of the year.

Whoever the back is they probably wont get more than 150 carries so if they get 5 YPC and as a change of pace guy that is not impossible. Unlikely but doable.

true, true, but whatever the case, a versatile RB will probably make more of an impact than a WR would

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

sorry, I meant overall yardage, should have been more clear, I'm estimating that one of those 2 backs if they're drafted by us, return kicks for about 1,600 yards, and get 400-500 rushing, and about 200-300 reception yards

so 2,000 overall yardage at least is what I would expect either Felix or CJ to give us as rookies, esp. CJ since he's such a great receiver

Certainly, that is more realistic. However, to me, the WR is still more critical. The long term effect of not upgrading our WRs now are part of the issue, IMO. Lets say we draft a WR now. The average time for development of WRs, if they develop at all, is 2 to 3 seasons. If we wait that long, I think we miss TOs window of productivity and then, we are kind of in the same position once again with another 2 or 3 seasons gone. I think it's extremely important that we aquire a good Vet WR now. If we can accomplish this, I think our offense takes us to a championship.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Certainly, that is more realistic. However, to me, the WR is still more critical. The long term effect of not upgrading our WRs now are part of the issue, IMO. Lets say we draft a WR now. The average time for development of WRs, if they develop at all, is 2 to 3 seasons. If we wait that long, I think we miss TOs window of productivity and then, we are kind of in the same position once again with another 2 or 3 seasons gone. I think it's extremely important that we aquire a good Vet WR now. If we can accomplish this, I think our offense takes us to a championship.

agreed, I've been a big proponent of getting a top-quality WR in to develop while there's still time behind TO, just I think it's wrong to say that any back we draft will just be a situational, 3rd-down back, guys like Felix Jones and Chris Johnson will have much better impacts than that, in fact I think they're impact will be greater than any rookie WR

 

[Rack]

We had one of the best passing offenses in spite of Crayton, not because of him. Had much more to do with TO and Witten, and even the o-line, than him.

Read my post again and you'll see that that's exactly what I said and meant.


We still don't NEED another WR to "put us over the top". We have one of the top 5 best WRs in the game and the BEST TE in the game. And a solid #2. If that's not enough for Romo then Romo is the problem, not WR (and we both know Romo isn't the problem).

 

[Doomsday101]

Read my post again and you'll see that that's exactly what I said and meant.


We still don't NEED another WR to "put us over the top". We have one of the top 5 best WRs in the game and the BEST TE in the game. And a solid #2. If that's not enough for Romo then Romo is the problem, not WR (and we both know Romo isn't the problem).

I agree we don't need one to put us over the top but having another highly skilled WR who is still young helps Dallas now and in the future.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

agreed, I've been a big proponent of getting a top-quality WR in to develop while there's still time behind TO, just I think it's wrong to say that any back we draft will just be a situational, 3rd-down back, guys like Felix Jones and Chris Johnson will have much better impacts than that, in fact I think they're impact will be greater than any rookie WR

I whole heartedly agree with this. However, my view on WR is not supportive of drafting a guy as a Rookie to fill the #2 spot. A quality Vet, IMO, is going to make the biggest difference for us. A guy who can force the defense to honor all parts of the field. Heck, if we can get a guy who makes the defense play 7 in the box, at all times and forces there LBs to play with 3 more yards of depth, that's going to translate into huge improvements in or offensive out put and our defensive success. You force the defense to cover all parts of the field and play there LBs to honor the pass, you give your running game much more opportunity to dominate the game. With this, you control tempo, you control clock, you allow your offensive line to wear the opponents down. The amount of time your defense spends on the field is reduced significantly when you can accomplish these things offensively. Eventually, you create more TOs because the opposing team is forced into taking more chances. You can afford to gamble more on defense because your always playing with a lead. Offensive balance is so important to the success of the team, I can't even begin to explain it. If you study how the Giants won the Super Bowl, it really is a study in offensive balance late in the season. Because they were able to be balanced, they controlled ToP on every team except the Cowboys. They outgained every team except the Cowboys. They scored far and away more points then any other team in the playoffs. The defensive weakness that had hurt them through out the year, their pass defense, was never exploited because they controlled the game through offensive balance.

We really should have beaten that team but we could not because when it counted, we were not balanced. When they made a concerted effort to stop our running game, our passing game could not come through for us. That's how I see it.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Who's the last 2000 yard runner to come into the NFL in his Rookie season? I think there have only been 5 2000 yard seasons in the history of the NFL and none of them were ever accomplished by a Rookie. In fact, I believe the highest single season Rookie Rushing Record is still held by Eric Dickerson and that was 1808 in 1983. Now, that is not to shabby either but do you honestly see Eric Dickerson in Felix Jones, Chris Johnson or really, any of these backs? In fact, if you look at the top 10 rushing season in the history of the NFL, all but number 10 (Jim Brown 1863 yards) carry less then 300 times (291) and then, it was in a 14 Game Season. All the rest were well over 300 carries. Last year, as a team, we only had a total of 419 attempts for the entire season. That would mean that a Rookie would have to come in and basically carry the ball over 70% of the time. With Barber on the team, that doesn't sound very realistic to me.

I guess I just don't see any Rookie RB coming in and having that much impact on our offense. A quality Vet WR would have a huge impact IMO.

word up. I like where your head is at.

 

[Eskimo]

Read my post again and you'll see that that's exactly what I said and meant.


We still don't NEED another WR to "put us over the top". We have one of the top 5 best WRs in the game and the BEST TE in the game. And a solid #2. If that's not enough for Romo then Romo is the problem, not WR (and we both know Romo isn't the problem).

To my eyes, the biggest problem is the run blocking of the OL. Sure Jones was bad last year, but this line just doesn't do a good job of opening up holes. Hopefully Houck whips them into shape this year.

Barber is an okay starter at RB, but I also think he is far from elite and would not mind the position being upgraded in this draft. If we are confident enough, I wouldn't mind flipping him for a mid-first rounder this year - sell while his value has peaked.

I do think at some point we do have to get another #1 WR either through the draft (don't know if the prospects next year look much better) or FA. I also hope one of the developmental guys passes Crayton this year and puts him on the bench as he is barely adequate is a #2 WR. It would really benefit the team to have someone who could take more advantage of the 1-on-1 matchups he gets playing alongside Witten and TO.

 

[Shady12]

I see so suddenly after being unmotivated for 4 years he is suddenly going to become motivated? He is what he is and that is up and down and unfortunately more down than up.

Now granted putting him in his comfort zone might motivate him but there is also the other side of the coin. It might make him even more complacent. Hes still going to get nicked up all the time anyway.

Gambling on first round draft picks is just bad business especially when the odds are 50-50 that hes going to be a FA next year anyway.

You are trading for one year of Roy Williams. 85 and Boldin both have three years left on their deals. All have very good expectations to play at their relative levels of production for the next 4 or more years.

1) 85 for 22
2) Boldin for 28
3) RW for 61

I don't think they trade for Williams if they aren't already confident they'll extend him before he hits the open market. Any of those three would be MUUUCH better than drafting a wr in the first. You can argue about which of the three you'd rather have but any of them is a no brainer over drafting a guy who even if he pans out it probably won't show for a few years.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

word up. I like where your head is at.

You say this now, but when you were younger and I made you eat all your veggies, I don't think that's what you were muttering under your breath.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

You say this now, but when you were younger and I made you eat all your veggies, I don't think that's what you were muttering under your breath.

I think that might be a comma splice.