If Roy Williams Didn't Play For Texas

[speedkilz88]

Whateva...

Some people have the good sense not to sign up for that burnt orange cult.

So which cult did you sign up for?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think that this is being too shortsighted. It is better to build a team with depth that will be competitive for a number of years. Right now we have TO to act as our #1 WR. The problem we have is that Crayton is a good #3 but below average #2 WR and the other guys were still developmental last year. Even if we hold pat, I would expect better contributions from the others.

The biggest improvement in this year's offense will likely come from finally having a competent OL coach who will hopefully get this underachieving group of run blockers to perform much better. This should in turn really open up the passing game.

Our best chance is to keep our picks and draft/develop players well, let some vets leave when they are too expensive for their contributions (see Colombo, Roy Williams, Ken Hamlin, possibly TNew) and use FA wisely to fill in gaps with role players.

i actually wouldnt mind seeing us draft a WR in round 3-5 every year. Sure youre going to get misses but its a position you need a lot of (5-6) and they are hard to develop. Missing on a mid rounder isnt the end of the world and if you hit on them they have value. We cannot pay $7 mil to all our starters.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

I think that this is being too shortsighted. It is better to build a team with depth that will be competitive for a number of years. Right now we have TO to act as our #1 WR. The problem we have is that Crayton is a good #3 but below average #2 WR and the other guys were still developmental last year. Even if we hold pat, I would expect better contributions from the others.

The biggest improvement in this year's offense will likely come from finally having a competent OL coach who will hopefully get this underachieving group of run blockers to perform much better. This should in turn really open up the passing game.

Our best chance is to keep our picks and draft/develop players well, let some vets leave when they are too expensive for their contributions (see Colombo, Roy Williams, Ken Hamlin, possibly TNew) and use FA wisely to fill in gaps with role players.

I agree that we do need to draft a WR and develop him. But you do need to think of now being that a WR takes three to four years to develop and make an impact.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Whateva...

Some people have the good sense not to sign up for that burnt orange cult.

im just messin dawg

 

[WoodysGirl]

So which cult did you sign up for?

Long-suffering Coog...

im just messin dawg

As was I...

 

[Eskimo]

I agree that we do need to draft a WR and develop him. But you do need to think of now being that a WR takes three to four years to develop and make an impact.

We are a little late in starting this process. I think a large chunk of that blame goes on Parcells who wasted a lot of picks on kick returns, TEs and OLs and didn't invest much in the WR position. During his stay he contributed one 7th rounder and two UDFAs.

You can't undo the past.

I don't mind the idea of spending money on a #1 WR next offseason, but I just disagree with giving a big contract and the #1 pick. If we want Roy, call the Lions bluff and see if they'll tag him, but don't give up a #1 this year and huge signing bonus to a guy that is so often injured and only put up #1 type stats one of his first four years in the league.

 

[Rack]

We don't have time to wait to develop a WR. We need a vet now that can put us over the top.

That's what TO is for. We don't need a "Superstar" (or rather pay superstar money for someone that THINKS he's a superstar) to get "over the top".


A big play RB is of MUCH bigger need than a WR. We had one of the best passing offenses in the NFL with Patrick Crayton as the #2... we don't need a Roy Williams to "put us over the top".

Like a said, a RB would do more for us than a WR. I'd also rather have another pass rusher.

 

[TheCount]

That's what TO is for. We don't need a "Superstar" (or rather pay superstar money for someone that THINKS he's a superstar) to get "over the top".


A big play RB is of MUCH bigger need than a WR. We had one of the best passing offenses in the NFL with Patrick Crayton as the #2... we don't need a Roy Williams to "put us over the top".

Like a said, a RB would do more for us than a WR. I'd also rather have another pass rusher.

We had one of the best passing offenses in spite of Crayton, not because of him. Had much more to do with TO and Witten, and even the o-line, than him.

 

[kmd24]

Why are RW stats lesser? Becasue hes always hurt and lacks focus.

He certainly hasnt lived up to his draft status and i just see him being tremendously overrated based on potential whcih should be worthless seeing hes been in the league for 4 years already.

It's funny to see the above quotes in the same post. The first implies he isn't living up to his potential, and the second implies that we've seen all that RW will ever be (which is still a pretty good ball player). You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

I doubt he is suddenly going to stop getting hurt all the time and i also doubt that giveing him more money will help his focus.

You could have said the same thing about Bigg about this time last year. Having a chance to win cures a lot of ailments.

Boldin and RW are both good players, but I think RW might add another dimension to the team that Boldin wouldn't. The question I keep asking myself is what these players will look like with a top-flight QB throwing to them behind good protection. Based on seeing their game speed, I think you'll get more big plays with RW.

 

[iceberg]

you don't even make sense

i'm sorry, what did yo...

LOOK - A CHICKEN!!!!

 

[DFWJC]

Yes. I would take either him or Boldin before I would go after Chad.

I'll second that!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's what TO is for. We don't need a "Superstar" (or rather pay superstar money for someone that THINKS he's a superstar) to get "over the top".


A big play RB is of MUCH bigger need than a WR. We had one of the best passing offenses in the NFL with Patrick Crayton as the #2... we don't need a Roy Williams to "put us over the top".

Like a said, a RB would do more for us than a WR. I'd also rather have another pass rusher.

I don't agree with this Rack. Another RB is needed but I don't see a RB coming in here and being anything other then a change of pace guy or a third down guy. Another RB is a need but unless we trade MBIII, I don't see where a RB will be as important to our offense as a good #2 WR will be. We are one injury away from being a very pedestrian offense. Owens is not young and it stands to reason that he will sustain more and more injuries as he gets older. If we intend to keep Owens, then we definatly need to have another very capable Receiver in the Offense, IMO. A good #2 WR balances the offense. If you really break down the season and where we gained our yards in the passing game, you will see that it all came in the first 2/3 of the season. Once teams figured out how to defense our passing game (in part because of Ownes' late season injury but not entirely so) our offense dropped off dramatically. I would contend that this will do more for our ability to score then will another RB. No RB that we can draft at our current position is going to start for us this year IMO.

Now, another pass rusher, that I can absolutly see. That, to me, is a very important piece, if we want to be a dominating defense. I agree with that. Having said that, I still think that the biggest need for us, as a team is a 2nd WR.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still think that the biggest need for us, as a team is a 2nd WR.

I'll go CB.

Followed by WR and RB.

Next group included S, backup QB and ILB.

 

[khiladi]

Roy Williams
2007(12 Games)- 64 catches 838 Yards 5 TD (Team completed 368 passes) 17.39% of team's receptions
2006(16 Games)- 82 Catches 1310 Yards 7 TD (Team completed 372 passes) 22.04% of team's receptions
2005(13 Games)- 45 Catches 687 Yards 8 TD (Team completed 297 passes) 15.15% of team's receptions
2004(14 Games)- 54 Catches 817 Yards 8 TD (Team completed 285 passes) 18.95% of team's receptions

Anquan Boldin
2007 (12 Games)- 71 Catches 853 Yards 9 TD (Team completed 356 passes) 19.94% of team's receptions
2006 (16 Games)- 83 Catches 1203 Yards 4 TD (Team completed 322 passes) 25.78% of team's receptions
2005 (14 Games)- 102 Catches 1402 Yards 7 TD (Team completed 419 passes) 34.34% of team's receptions
2004 (10 Games)- 56 Catches 623 Yards 1 TD (Team completed 299 passes) 18.73% of team's receptions
2003 (16 Games)- 101 Catches 1377 Yards 8 TD (Team completed 303 passes) 33.33% of team's receptions

That pretty much sums it up... Roy Williams and Boldin are similar in terms of numbers. Depending on the year, they outshine each other. One thing to note is that when receptions are similar, 2004 and 2006, Roy Williams performs significantly better in terms of yardage. A better deep threat, maybe. But Boldin after the catch is hard to bring down.

It really is a win-win situation...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That pretty much sums it up... Roy Williams and Boldin are similar in terms of numbers...

Boldin is definitely a hard person to tackle though... he's like a Marion Barber of WRs...

One 1000 yard season versus 3 And 4 70 catch season over 1. If by similar you mean one is clearly better you have a point.

It also shows that Boldin had to share much more of the load as a #1 should.

 

[theogt]

One 1000 yard season versus 3 And 4 70 catch season over 1. If by similar you mean one is clearly better you have a point.

It also shows that Boldin had to share much more of the load as a #1 should.

Wasn't your biggest problem with Roy Williams that he's missed too many games? Yet Boldin has missed about the same amount?

Regardless, I don't see the point in arguing which is better. They're pretty comparable and I'd love to have either one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't agree with this Rack. Another RB is needed but I don't see a RB coming in here and being anything other then a change of pace guy or a third down guy. Another RB is a need but unless we trade MBIII, I don't see where a RB will be as important to our offense as a good #2 WR will be. We are one injury away from being a very pedestrian offense. Owens is not young and it stands to reason that he will sustain more and more injuries as he gets older. If we intend to keep Owens, then we definatly need to have another very capable Receiver in the Offense, IMO. A good #2 WR balances the offense. If you really break down the season and where we gained our yards in the passing game, you will see that it all came in the first 2/3 of the season. Once teams figured out how to defense our passing game (in part because of Ownes' late season injury but not entirely so) our offense dropped off dramatically. I would contend that this will do more for our ability to score then will another RB. No RB that we can draft at our current position is going to start for us this year IMO.

Now, another pass rusher, that I can absolutly see. That, to me, is a very important piece, if we want to be a dominating defense. I agree with that. Having said that, I still think that the biggest need for us, as a team is a 2nd WR.

if we draft a guy like Felix Jones, or my personal favorite, Chris Johnson, he could possibly contribute as much as 2,000 yards his rookie year, that would beat out any rookie WR we could get

back to the OP, I have never, and will never, root for the Longhorns, and I desperately want Roy to wear the Star, or Anquan Boldin, if I had to choose, it would be Anquan because of background as a QB, so he can spot openings in the D better, and is the closest thing to TO in terms of YAC

 

[iceberg]

Wasn't your biggest problem with Roy Williams that he's missed too many games? Yet Boldin has missed about the same amount?

Regardless, I don't see the point in arguing which is better. They're pretty comparable and I'd love to have either one.

that was my bigger problem. however if the numbers show to be the same, i'll take either and be happy.

 

[khiladi]

One 1000 yard season versus 3 And 4 70 catch season over 1. If by similar you mean one is clearly better you have a point.

It also shows that Boldin had to share much more of the load as a #1 should.

Boldin's best years, when he caught over 100 balls, his yardage only outshined Roy Williams, when catching only 82 balls, by 100 yards. In 2007, when they both played equivalent amount of games, Roy Williams had a better yards per average reception as well. In 2005, RW had more yards, while catching less balls.

Like I said, both of them are ballers. They both can get it done.

It also shows that Boldin had to share much more of the load as a #1 should.

He also had Larry Fitzgerald to play along-side with for 3 years, and Larry Fitzgerald, in 2005 and 2007 had 103 and 100 receptions respectively. What this means is that he most likely saw a lot more single coverage than Roy did. While Detroit may have had it's share of decent receivers, none of them are equivalent to Larry. Also, Detroit had one of the worst offensive lines in the league for the last few years, along with Joey Harrington, who playing his best game, can't even match Kurt Warner post the Rams.

Put Roy Williams alongside T.O. and Jason Witten, your talking about a major deep threat, with huge yardage per catch numbers. I also believe a player like Roy, considering his YPC and size, will allow Jason to move T.O. a lot more in the slot. With Dallas' pass protection, and Romo's ability to stay alive in the pocket, a huge receiver like RW will make it all the one dangerous.

 

[iceberg]

Boldin's best years, when he caught over 100 balls, his yardage only outshined Roy Williams, when catching only 82 balls, by 100 yards. In 2007, when they both played equivalent amount of games, Roy Williams had a better yards per average reception as well. In 2005, RW had more yards, while catching less balls.

Like I said, both of them are ballers. They both can get it done.

He also had Larry Fitzgerald to play along-side with for 3 years, and Larry Fitzgerald, in 2005 and 2007 had 103 and 100 receptions respectively. What this means is that he most likely saw a lot more single coverage than Roy did. While Detroit may have had it's share of decent receivers, none of them are equivalent to Larry. Also, Detroit had one of the worst offensive lines in the league for the last few years, along with Joey Harrington, who playing his best game, can't even match Kurt Warner post the Rams.

Put Roy Williams alongside T.O. and Jason Witten, your talking about a major deep threat, with huge yardage per catch numbers. I also believe a player like Roy, considering his YPC and size, will allow Jason to move T.O. a lot more in the slot. With Dallas' pass protection, and Romo's ability to stay alive in the pocket, a huge receiver like RW will make it all the one dangerous.

when you get that granular, you're really arguing over a porche vs. a viper or something like that. it's not like we're comparing a briggs and stratton to a hemi.

both are very good players and i'd be happy with either one.