If the MVP comes down to Dak vs Lamar Jackson

[1942willys]

You mean Romo can call Dak so Dak can laugh him off the phone since Dak is about to surpass Romo's career postseason wins, plus break most, if not all, of Romo's franchise records.

Yeah sure whatever lets you clutch your Dak doll

Dak did not come up large when it mattered in these last two games

That is why he blew whatever chance he had at the MVP

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Since when? When is the last time a QB didn't have the best numbers and didn't win? OPOY has always been for the non QB positions

This isn’t true; Patrick Mahomes, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady have all won OPOY… and that’s just the recent QBs who’ve won it.

As for MVP, Matt Ryan won while not having the most passing yards, passing TDs, best completion percentage, lowest INTs, he just had a strong season and the led the most impressive team. Conversely, Drew Brees set all kinds of passing records year in and year out (including Matt Ryan’s MVP winning 2016), and never won MVP even once. Cam Newton in 2015 had strong rushing stats but very pedestrian passing stats and won because his team went 15-1 with its defensive performances.

You could look at Peyton Manning as well. His 2009 season was about the same as his 2010, 2012, 2007, 2000… but why did he win MVP in 2009 and not those others? Because A) no one else had a historic season in 2009 like Brady in 2007 or AP in 2012, and B) his team won 14 games in 2009.

MVP is a narrative award. Stats help of course, but they do so if they support the narrative

 

[1942willys]

This isn’t true; Patrick Mahomes, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady have all won OPOY… and that’s just the recent QBs who’ve won it.

As for MVP, Matt Ryan won while not having the most passing yards, passing TDs, best completion percentage, lowest INTs, he just had a strong season and the led the most impressive team. Conversely, Drew Brees set all kinds of passing records year in and year out (including Matt Ryan’s MVP winning 2016), and never won MVP even once. Cam Newton in 2015 had strong rushing stats but very pedestrian passing stats and won because his team went 15-1 with its defensive performances.

You could look at Peyton Manning as well. His 2009 season was about the same as his 2010, 2012, 2007, 2000… but why did he win MVP in 2009 and not those others? Because A) no one else had a historic season in 2009 like Brady in 2007 or AP in 2012, and B) his team won 14 games in 2009.

MVP is a narrative award. Stats help of course, but they do so if they support the narrative

Most of the time the MVP is pretty much settled by this time of the season.
This year it really did not shake out until recently
and it can still change but Lamar would have to really stink it up to lose it now

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yeah sure whatever lets you clutch your Dak doll

Dak did not come up large when it mattered in these last two games

That is why he blew whatever chance he had at the MVP

Get your head out of the sand and rewatch the game against the Dolphins. Dak did his part. Threw for 250+ yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 107.9 passer rating and led the offense to a game leading TD with 3:00 minutes remaining in the game. The defense is who couldn't keep Miami from constantly driving down the field and scoring points.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Most of the time the MVP is pretty much settled by this time of the season.
This year it really did not shake out until recently
and it can still change but Lamar would have to really stink it up to lose it now

Yeah, I think CMC does have a legit shot though, Especially with how the QB options have flip flopped. I think Cleveland will beat Baltimore, and that may hurt Lamar’s chances regardless of how he plays (especially if he doesn’t end up with the 1 seed)

Big thing against CMC is typically an MVP RB doesn’t have an MVP candidate QB. He’s the focal point of the offense like Emmitt, Adrian, Shaun Alexander. So that may hurt CMC

 

[Redsfan_83]

Get your head out of the sand and rewatch the game against the Dolphins. Dak did his part. Threw for 250+ yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 107.9 passer rating and led the offense to a game leading TD with 3:00 minutes remaining in the game. The defense is who couldn't keep Miami from constantly driving down the field and scoring points.

If Dak was more mobile he would have had more success rolling out, but the way our OL played he was a dead duck all game. Why am I agreeing with you most Dak posts? lol. I did read something about how silly the passer ratings are measured, so not sure it really depicts much based upon how it's calcluated

 

[bandfan]

CZ members today: Individual stats don't matter.
CZ members yesterday: Dak can't win the big one.

 

[blueblood70]

..this comes down to who goes further in post season.

Confirmation bias, man's ultimate nemesis.

I don't think it does the MVP award is done for the regular season I don't think they give it out for the playoffs

 

[DallasInDC]

Why are 7 INTs different colors?

I suspect that it is because of # att which would result in 1 QB having a better INT rate over the other...just a guess without looking at the stats.

Edit: just looked it up:

Dak 7 INTs in 516 att

Lamar 7 INTs in 436 att

This would give the advantage to Dak

 

[Tractor1]

Dak's not winning MVP.

Romo was the #1 QB in 2014. He threw for 3,700 yards, 34 TDs, and 9 INTs in 15 games and didn't sniff the award. I doubt seriously our current starter will either.

 

[DallasInDC]

CZ members today: Individual stats don't matter.
CZ members yesterday: Dak can't win the big one.

While I agree it's not about individual stats, however, the more players you have leading individual stats has a larger correlation to overall team performance than having no players leading in stats.

Personally I would rather have my QB in the MVP discussions than ranked in the bottom 16 of league...that's for sure. Speaking of, remember the days all of the Dak Haters were holding up Wentz as a potential MVP candidate as demonstration of how good he was???

 

[Jimbo123]

Dak is not even in the conversation. .Stop it..

 

[blueblood70]

Dak's not winning MVP.

Romo was the #1 QB in 2014. He threw for 3,700 yards, 34 TDs, and 9 INTs in 15 games and didn't sniff the award. I doubt seriously our current starter will either.

That's the bias here though you do realize that we do not have a quarterback ever for the Dallas Cowboys that's ever won an MVP and of all the great quarterbacks and the great seasons we have none and it would be a travesty to give it to Lamar Jackson he does not have the numbers for it I mean Prescott's on A10 win playoff team as well and his numbers are clearly better if they think that the quarterbacks are not putting up big time numbers enough to give it to a quarterback you know like those seasons that Tom Brady and others had where they had 55 touchdowns or whatever OK well then give it to one of the skill players then so we don't have to argue about this give it to hill or give it to McCaffrey and we could put this to bed but if we're just talking about straight up quarterback play in the regular season then right now Prescott should be the front runner yes with Lamar Jackson and Brock Purdy in the mix of the conversation but no way people should be dismissing Prescott his numbers clearly say he's the top producing quarterback on a playoff team...

 

[bottleKids]

Lamar at this point. MVP does deal with qb play, but winning teams also boost the score. Him beating the 49ers probably cemented it unless they fall off real bad.

You literally might have the greatest profile picture in CZ history... the joy it just brought me is immense due to the laughter if brought. Thank you.

 

[Motorola]

I think it is crazy how bad our fans are. Half want to talk about Dak for MVP race and half want him gone.

It's been that way since the Cowboys franchise came into existence over 6 decades ago.
Landry was praised - and excoriated - split down the middle.
The same with other Dallas quarterbacks...Merideth, Morton - even Staubach (hard to believe if you weren't around when he became a starter).
Danny White - followed a legend - but was saddled with an aging roster- plus Brandt and Landry lost their recruiting\drafting edge when the NFL took the forefront in consolidating the league scouting and evaluation process so all teams would have equal access to information about the college players eligible.

 

[IceStar-D7]

Dak at home is "way" better at quarterbacking then Lamar. Lamar is a better road quarterback. Lemar is a better runner. Dak doesn't trust himself at times and Jackson does. Advantage Jackson. As far as MVP? Still 2 games left...But Jackson IMO probably wins it minus a surprise.

 

[DallasInDC]

Dak's not winning MVP.

Romo was the #1 QB in 2014. He threw for 3,700 yards, 34 TDs, and 9 INTs in 15 games and didn't sniff the award. I doubt seriously our current starter will either.

Actually that's just partially correct. Aaron Rodgers was the #2 QB and MVP winner. Romo was 3rd in voting behind JJ Watt (and tied with DeMarco Murray).

Romo in 2014 was 1st in QBR and QB rating, (Rodgers was #2 with more TDs and less INTs) 19 in yds/gm, 4th in TDs (would've needed 4 TD in the game he missed to move to 3rd), 4th in INts (12th in INT % - which i believe hurt him). PLUS Rodgers rushing statistics were much better including 4 more TDs. So yes, he did sniff it...just not a serious contender against Rodgers.

Of course none of this has any bearing on 2023 MVP

 

[Chasing6]

It's been that way since the Cowboys franchise came into existence over 6 decades ago.
Landry was praised - and excoriated - split down the middle.
The same with other Dallas quarterbacks...Merideth, Morton - even Staubach (hard to believe if you weren't around when he became a starter).
Danny White - followed a legend - but was saddled with an aging roster- plus Brandt and Landry lost their recruiting\drafting edge when the NFL took the forefront in consolidating the league scouting and evaluation process so all teams would have equal access to information about the college players eligible.

The fact that Dak is in the MVP race should absolutely quite down all the haters.

 

[NFCBeasts]

you do mean that the ravens defense got 4 turnovers and four sacks they won that game do they get the MVP.. what did daks defense do in any of these road losses?

NOTHING!!

nice try giving LJ the credit his team deserves..lmao blind hypocrites in here are so ridiculous... you show me a game where our defense, OL, run game game look like that in Prescott lost..there are ZERO

You are right LJ sucks and Dak is way better ! You are the kind of guy who would take a Dak Mvp over a superbowl aren’t you ?

 

[RoboQB]

The fact that Dak is in the MVP race should absolutely quite down all the haters.

The fact that he's 0-2 since beating Philly at home says Dak is
not in the MVP race. Unless, being ranked 7th in that "race" currently
is considered "in the MVP race.

Maybe Tad will go to the local store and buy his brother a 7th place trophy...lol

Good news though, you won't need to change your member name.