If The Stuff With Cutler & Denver Continues...

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Hostile;2691190 said:
Their GM was hired after Bowlen hired McDaniels as the Head Coach. I know according to some stuff like that never happens in the NFL, but it does, and did.

I imagine the new GM is pretty PO'd.

Everyones jobs will be on the line if Cutler walks. They couldn't have made a worse decision for this franchise than putting Cutlers status with the team in jeopardy.

Especially in a league where its dang near impossible to find a good QB.
 

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Don't know if this has been posted yet....but ESPN is reporting that Cutler has asked to be traded.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

Cutler says he can't trust McDaniels
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By Chris Mortensen
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Broncos QB Jay Cutler asks for trade and will not report to the team's first meeting on Monday
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Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler said Sunday night that he will not report to the team's first meeting on Monday and has formally asked to be traded. He confirmed that a Saturday meeting with first-year coach Josh McDaniels ended badly from his perspective while McDaniels offered another viewpoint on Sunday night.

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

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Jay Cutler said while new Denver coach Josh McDaniels hasn't been critical of him, Cutler can no longer trust McDaniels.
"At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know," Cutler added. "I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix."

Consequently, Cutler instructed Cook, who also attended the meeting, to formally request a trade. The quarterback said he left town late Sunday and would skip McDaniels' first team meeting on Monday as they begin their offseason program.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen told the Denver Post on Sunday that he was disappointed with how Cutler has handled the situation. In a telephone interview with ESPN, McDaniels was reluctantly expansive on the story.

"I really have wanted to avoid a he-said, she-said thing but it's only fair for us to present the Bronco side of the story rather than let things get taken out of context," McDaniels said. "There's been a pattern here for the past two weeks the way things [have been represented] in our communications. I don't think anythng that happened [Saturday] was out of the ordinary. At the end of the meeting, Jay said he had thought about things quite a bit and requested a few more hours to mull things over. He said he wanted to talk to Bus on how to proceed. He was gonna call me on my cell phone and that never happened. Instead, Bus called [GM] Brian [Xanders].

"Again, I think that's been a pattern. I couldn't get [Cutler] to talk to me for two weeks or to talk to Mr. Bowlen. Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn't get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too. And it was the four of us. There wasn't any yelling, none of that. I can't believe we get to a totally different [interpretation].


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"It's an unfortunate set of circumstances that has cropped up, a potential distraction and we've done our best to limit that. The main message I want to get out is that we're excited to start our offseason program [Monday]. It's an exciting time for us."

Cutler won't be present at the team meeting.

"I certainly went back there, expecting I'd be there [Monday] but not now," Cutler said. "It's not mandatory. I'll attend every mandatory mini-camp and training camp but that's it. Really, it's best for me to move on. As coach said, he needs every eye in the meeting room to be on him and not me."

As McDaniels pointed out, Cutler had a completely different expectation when he left their private meeting on Saturday.

Cutler said: "You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting him to call me and say, 'Hey, let's just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee' and mend things, but that didn't happen. So, I get it, really, it's a business. I'm disappointed beause I love being a Bronco but I think it's run its course."

Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.

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"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because it was the second-ranked offense in football," Cutler said. "But I didn't push for a trade then."
McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.

"That just isn't true," McDaniels said. "Not a word has been said about that."

Cutler added: "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

McDaniels admitted that the team got involved in trade discussions for Cassel, who instead was dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs. However, he said any perception Cutler felt that the team could still trade him was misleading.

"That's what we have communicated ever since the deal with Cassel didn't happen," McDaniels said. "Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

Cutler feels like McDaniels lost his credibility with him when he initially denied to the quarterback that the Broncos tried to acquire Cassel only to admit it later.

"Before this trade for Cassel thing ever came up, in the two weeks or so I had spent with McDaniels, he was basically telling me that he came to Denver because he wanted to coach me and that we needed to trust each other," Cutler said. "He's never been critical to me. But trust now? How can I trust him now?"

He also explained that his house being put up for sale was "nothing more than a coincidence."

"I had already shown my house privately to some interested buyers a couple of months ago," Cutler said. "I've really been looking to buy 40 to 70 acres of land there."

As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said: "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Cook said that as an agent he was "totally in shock" that it has gotten so ugly.

"I would have bet my house going into Saturday's meeting that everyone would be shaking hands and smiling," Cook said. "I thought it was going to get worked out. But it was very clear to me that Jay Cutler is not their choice to be quarterback of that team."

Yet Cook admitted that when he called Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, the team's general manager said it wasn't going to happen and that "Jay should show up Monday."

That wasn't going to happen, either.

Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN.
 

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pgreptom;2691146 said:
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If I were a Broncos' fan, I'd be a little upset at both the management, and the player.

Exactly. McDaniels is being an idiot, and from the sound of it may be actually making it worse instead of better, but no matter how this turns out Cutler gets painted as an emo crybaby.

What a completely avoidable mess.
 

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JVita17;2690952 said:
The Breaking News on ESPN News is Cutler officially has asked for a trade. I keep getting a feeling he will end up in Minny, lets all hope not thats all they need is a competent QB to be Super Bowl favorites.

Hey! We all know about being Super Bowl favorites. Last year we had the competent QB (until he got hurt in AZ). We had a decent defense that showed flashes of dominance. We definitely had the offense. We just didn't have health or luck on our side last year. Nor did we have chemistry or a band of brothers in the lockerroom.

No playoffs. :banghead:
 

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At first I felt like Cutler was being a big baby, but after reading his full side of things on ESPN this morning I have to back the guy up. McDaniels flat out lied to him twice! First he told him he came to Denver because he was there then he tried to trade for Cassell and denied it to Cutler. As a top tier QB in the NFL, I dont blame the guy for being irked. Everyone says QBs are the face of the franchise and Cutler certainly is that in Denver, they should of handled the situation a lot better then they did if that was really the case.

If I am a star QB, I want to play for a team/coach that wants me to be around. I doubt Aikman would of been really happy if Jimmy tried to trade him after his 3rd season and lied to his face twice in the process.
 

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he's off the whine-o-meter chart.

denver can Kewshawn/TO him and really muck up his career quickly.

when a player won't meet an owner man to man WITHOUT HIS AGENT that is a huge, red flag.

Hostile;2690884 said:
...it could have a tremendous ripple effect throughout the NFL. The entire Draft horizon could change.


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"I'm very disappointed," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said Sunday of the feud between his quarterback and first-year coach. "I'm disappointed in the whole picture, not just disappointed that we might lose our star quarterback."

Asked to clarify, Bowlen said he is steadfastly supports his new coach and his disappointment lies in the way Cutler has handled the situation.

Friction between Cutler and McDaniels appears to have escalated following a meeting Saturday. Attending the meeting were Cutler, his agent Bus Cook, McDaniels and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders.

The Broncos say no ultimatums were given during the Saturday meeting, which the team characterized as mild-mannered, with no raised voices. However, no reconciliation was reached.
 

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chinch;2691277 said:
he's off the whine-o-meter chart.

denver can Kewshawn/TO him and really muck up his career quickly.

when a player won't meet an owner man to man WITHOUT HIS AGENT that is a huge, red flag.

haha, you are so wrong.

DA: The defendant would not even talk to the police or I WITHOUT HIS LAWYER! That is a huge, red flag!
 

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Beast_from_East;2690923 said:
What is halarius is the same guys who are hammering Romo for not being able to win the "big games" and collasping in Decemeber are the guys wanting to trade for Cutler.

Cutler has never even seen the playoffs, ever. Talk about collasping, the Broncos just had to win 1 of their last 3 games to make the playoffs and they lost all 3 games (including a home loss in mile high to the freaking Bills).

How the hell do you lose a home game aginst the Bills in Mile High with playoff tickets waiting for you in the lockerroom???

Have you watched Denver's defense?

They finished 29th in points allowed this year.

Meanwhile Cutler's 'weapons' on offense are Tony Sheffler, Brandon Marshall and Selvin Young. Not a bad group of weapons, but not exactly world beaters....except for Marshall who gets suspended and injured.



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I'll be shocked, quite honestly, if this eventually leads to Cutler actually being dealt. I think in the end they'll all hug, make up, and move on and work together. I'll be shocked if it ends any other way.
 

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irvin4evs;2691284 said:
haha, you are so wrong.

DA: The defendant would not even talk to the police or I WITHOUT HIS LAWYER! That is a huge, red flag!

another bad analogy by jock-worshiping fans.

obviously the term man-to-man conversation excapes you just like it does this IMMATURE WHINEY LOSER.

go sell your house Cutler. ROTFLMAO :laugh2:
 

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The fact that you think such a thing exists in this context shows that you're naive. or infatuated with dumb macho aesthetics.
 

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Hostile;2691035 said:
They should offer him to Detroit if they really aren't sold on Stafford. Detroit gets a proven vet QB and can cut ties to some questionable vets. Denver can groom Stafford. Win/win.

I was thinking more on the lines of the Jets or Tampa. I'm not so sure about the #1 overall pick.
 

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Jimmy Johnson said he would take Cutler over Romo. The guy has incredible physical tools and played with garbage. If he goes to Minnesota, they instantly become the Super Bowl favorites and Dallas has to 'up' it's game, and I mean up it.. You can't really stack the box anymore to stop Peterson, and Peterson get's his with scrub QBs. They got a ridiculous defense as well.
 

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khiladi;2691399 said:
Jimmy Johnson said he would take Cutler over Romo. The guy has incredible physical tools and played with garbage. If he goes to Minnesota, they instantly become the Super Bowl favorites and Dallas has to 'up' it's game, and I mean up it.. You can't really stack the box anymore to stop Peterson, and Peterson get's his with scrub QBs. They got a ridiculous defense as well.

I think his WRs were plenty good, but yeah, it seemed like all of their RBs were hurt.
 

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Generally the truth is somewhere in the middle. This time I believe Cutler. It appears McDaniels wants to be a domineering force but doesn't understand much about being diplomatic to get his way. I can't believe how much the Broncos are screwing this up. OTOH, Cutler needs to keep things quiet. I understand his need to tell his side but that's better done more discreetly later on down the line. Loose lips sink ships. In this case both sides are listing to port badly and taking on too much water.

And Cutler's diabetes could very well be brittle and difficult to manage. He's getting his blood sugar taken everytime he comes out of a game which tells me its hard to control. Even type IIs can get hypoglycemic esp with exertion of that type.
 

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Hypnotoad;2691128 said:
Well maybe he is using the media to force the broncos hand. If he wants out of Denver, it'll never happen if he just is quiet. If he creates a big enough distraction the organization might have to part ways (see TO and Eagles).
That's just an opinion about the outcome. If he never tries to negotiate the correct way and fails to meet his goal, what has he gained? Just because management has acted like an arse does not mean that he should act the same or worse.

However, you're probably correct. Adults could conduct themselves as adults and compromise; but if they sit in it and sling enough of it at each other publicly, it could cause one of the parties to flinch from the stench and react accordingly. As your example of Terrell Owens illustrates, it happens.
 
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Cutler has made some silly comments in the past however you can't help but understand how he feels about this situation... I mean you try and trade the guy and didn't inform him of it and then basically tell him to his face that yeah I'd try it again, am I missing something here or what??????
 

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Cutler would be a significant upgrade on this roster. Would welcome him with open arms.
 
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