if TO and glenn both go down with injuries....

[DeaconBlues]

i shoulda known you guys would respond that way, knuckleheads. tear down your fellow cowboys fans for their opinions. i expect that from you. romo is no manning btw and cant make any reciever look good. thx for an intelligent response. oh and marvin and reggie arent 34 and 33 respectively genious. take everthing to the extreme morons. its only conjecture but worth thinking about. i love our team but we dont have the talent or coaching indy does to overcome those obstacles. "oh, what if the entire team goes down with injury?" why not have an intelligent debate about it instead of being smart *** jerks all of the time

Simply because everyone pointed out the obvious to you is no need to whine. There wasn't a single WR drafted that's ready to step into a starting lineup, or did you just fail to notice the first round.

Pointing out that no team would likely survive losing both starting WRs is the start of an intelligent debate. Why not just participate if you believe otherwise.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

You can play the "what if" game all day long, but with this one you might have something. Both players have been plagued by injuries in recent years.

I think Crayton is under-rated even by Cowboy fans. I think he's a great fit in the slot and pretty good as a #2 guy. With TO as #1 I'd think you'd want a speedster to take advantage of all the coverage TO recieves, but Hurd and stanback (sp) could do that for you guys if used right.

If Romo is as good as everyone thinks he is, that would be a good test of his mettle. Dude's got some weapons when you all are healthy. What could he do with a motley crue?

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I would be very surprised if we do not add another Vet WR before the season starts...now it may not be the WOW we are wanting from RW, AB, or Ocho, but I would bet we add another vet. My reasoning is that TG will never be the same...IF he is back at all. We need another legit number 2...who knows maybe it's Stanback, but I think we get another WR.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Glenn has gone down.

He went down and he can't get up.

Jerra's heart is sometimes bigger than his brain and he continues to parrot the line that Glenn is a competitor, we need him, he's hopeful he can come back, yada-yada-blah.

If Glenn is still on the roster it will be a mistake. His age, his injury, his rustiness . . . . at this point, I'd even prefer the very-average but durable Crayton in Glenn's place.

We desperately need a WR in FA. Yeah, the cap and all, but still we need one from FA. It would be nice is Stanback or Miles would suddenly step up but I'n not holding mah breath. The time is coming that those two youngsters will have to step up or step down.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

People keep mentioning Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson. What if Detroit lost both of them? They were both injured at various times last season so the youth argument goes out the window. Young guys get hurt all the time. No team can afford to lose its starters at any position.

 

[joseephuss]

People keep mentioning Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson. What if Detroit lost both of them? They were both injured at various times last season so the youth argument goes out the window. Young guys get hurt all the time. No team can afford to lose its starters at any position.

In 1989 Dallas lost both Michael Irvin and Kelvin Martin to injury.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Marvin Harrison is 35 and will be 36 in August.

Reggie Wayne is 29 and will be 30 in November.

Those two guys make a good comparison to the hypothetical situation you brought up. If they both went down with Injuries, then the Colts would struggle on offense. We kind of saw that happen this past season in Indy.

I agree that none of the drafted receivers were really going to be able to contribute to Dallas right away if the Cowboys had drafted one. That is pretty typical of any rookie receiver. They usually dont' come out and do well early.

I am not sure if any of those receivers would have developed into top notch receivers in the NFL a few years down the line. I just was not that impressed with this years crop.

I don't I think Crayton, Hurd and Austin will be anything special, either. Crayton, although not special is good in his role as the #3 receiver, which is what he has done well at the past two years. Of course one of the duties of any #3 guy is filling in for either of the starters when injured and Crayton did as good a job as to be expected out of any #3 guy in the league that has to step up into that role.

Dallas has concerns at the wide receiver position. Long term concerns definitely. Short term is still up in the air for this season. The hypothetical of both starters getting hurt would be a concern for every team. It being TO and Glenn does not make that situation unique to Dallas. And for the record, I am not counting on Glenn at all. If he contributes this season, then it is just a bonus in my opinion.

To be honest Jossee, I'm more concerned with our seeming inability to develop young WRs. I mean, I know we have just brought in a new WRs coach and he has not really had an opportunity to get his own guys in and start developing them but in the last, 20 years or so, we really haven't developed one good WR. Crayton is probably the closest thing. Jimmy Smith turned out pretty good but not until he left us. Alvin Harper did what he did well but heck, he did that in college. I could not say he was good other then catching that jump ball. It's kinda disturbing, the lack of success that we have had.

 

[adamknite]

In 1989 Dallas lost both Michael Irvin and Kelvin Martin to injury.

We lost Joey Galloway and Rocket Ismail (for most of the year) in the same year once too.

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[Oh_Canada]

I'm not worried about losing two wideouts...I am worried about one.... Terrell Owens.

If we lose Owens we're cooked....all you have to do is run back the tape on the last three games of the season to see the impact Owens has on this offense.

 

[joseephuss]

I'm not worried about losing two wideouts...I am worried about one.... Terrell Owens.

If we lose Owens we're cooked....all you have to do is run back the tape on the last three games of the season to see the impact Owens has on this offense.

I don't think it is that straightforward.

Dallas kind of just turned it off after TO got hurt in the Carolina game. They had the game in hand and stopped putting forth 100% effort. They didn't come close to giving 100% effort in the final regular season game against Washington. The whole team mailed it in.

What 3rd game are you talking about? The playoff game? TO played and scored a TD. The offense had two very long TD scoring drives and Barber had 100 yards at half. The problems weren't with TO not being healthy. The offensive line is what fell apart in pass protection about midway through the 3rd quarter. It would not have mattered if Dallas had Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice in their prime. Romo had no time to throw it.

Losing TO would certainly hurt the Dallas offense. That would be true for most teams losing their top receiver. I just don't see how the last 3 games of last season really illustrated that point. There was so much other stuff going on that not having a fully healthy TO really played a part.

 

[deerssur]

iceberg, you are always right dude, always, according to you. reading your posts is a laugh a minute!!!! and i never said hall or bowman would "save our franchise" but they would have given us more quality depth to help out in case of a disaster.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think it is that straightforward.

Dallas kind of just turned it off after TO got hurt in the Carolina game. They had the game in hand and stopped putting forth 100% effort. They didn't come close to giving 100% effort in the final regular season game against Washington. The whole team mailed it in.

What 3rd game are you talking about? The playoff game? TO played and scored a TD. The offense had two very long TD scoring drives and Barber had 100 yards at half. The problems weren't with TO not being healthy. The offensive line is what fell apart in pass protection about midway through the 3rd quarter. It would not have mattered if Dallas had Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice in their prime. Romo had no time to throw it.

Losing TO would certainly hurt the Dallas offense. That would be true for most teams losing their top receiver. I just don't see how the last 3 games of last season really illustrated that point. There was so much other stuff going on that not having a fully healthy TO really played a part.

Had Crayton caught either of the passes he missed in the playoff game, we'd be back to talking about how lucky we've been to develop low-round picks into serviceable WRs and hoping Stanback could be a faster Crayton with a second training camp and a healthy off season under his belt.

iceberg, you are always right dude, always, according to you. reading your posts is a laugh a minute!!!! and i never said hall or bowman would "save our franchise" but they would have given us more quality depth to help out in case of a disaster.

They'd be there to help us rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Rookie WRs almost never have big impacts. They certainly aren't going to change the coverages we see from defenses if Owens goes down. That said, I'm much more worried about injury at the QB position for the coming year.

 

[cowheel]

If TO & Glenn go down - we would be screwed no matter who we drafted this year at wide receiver. LOL

Why are you guys sweatin' not drafting the bum receivers in this draft that probably wouldn't even supplant Sam Hurd?

 

[CF74]

.....I'll remember this thread with furious anger

 

[iceberg]

i wont offer another post again. my questions are stupid obviously. and only 50 posts? ive never had anything to say, especially not negative to any of you. so go on thinking you are the only ones with any kind of relative post. i wanted some answers with posts to help me understand the situation. go back and look at some of the posts that insulted me. maybe i was defensive and maybe i over reacted, but youall have a way of making anyone with an opinion u dont like or agree with feel stupid. the # of posts has nothing to do with my knowledge of the cowboys and concern with our offseason moves and draftinig. but i was wrong to think cowboy fans would stick together and support and help with people who have concerns. if i can i will try my best to quit this site. hey maybe you perfect posters who know all can help get me banned and save us all some trouble. ill keep my feelings and ideas to myself until i am no longer a member. my lack of posts means i never saw anything relevant enough to respond to. i cant compete on a forum with experts who have so much experience and inside info on the cowboys. you guys know all.

and the winner of the 2008 post draft drama queen award goes to...

DEERSSUR!!!!

congratulate him everyone! it takes a lot of arrogance to be this pathetic.

 

[iceberg]

dude - take away 2 starters from ANY position and the team is likely screwed.

lose romo and barber. any confidence we'll be ok?

like i said, remove the teams #1 and #2 WR from any team and you've got a problem. but if you need to make up crap to feel bad about, go ahead. it's all the rage.

well why don't you pull your head out of the self-rightious puddle you've got it mired in and tell us what you'd do?

if you want an intelligent debate, pick an intelligent topic. if you want stupidity on parade, start one of these topics.

is this the marvin harrison that missed most of last year? kinda look silly when you say a person who missed most of the year due to injuries is less injury prone than someone who missed most of last year?

iceberg, you are always right dude, always, according to you. reading your posts is a laugh a minute!!!! and i never said hall or bowman would "save our franchise" but they would have given us more quality depth to help out in case of a disaster.

who said *I* said a thing about hall, bowman or saving the franchise? above is all my posts in this thread as far as i know - i'll go back and check again i suppsoe...

dude - you got one hell of a chip up your arse. if you really want to find the root of your problems, check that dude in the mirror. he's pretty upset too.

 

[Big Dakota]

Originally Posted by deerssur
i wont offer another post again.



What a little girl. See ya, hopefully.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

and it is not out of the realm of possibility considering their ages, we are screwed.

Caqn you name me ONE TEAM in the NFL where if they lose their TWO STARTING W.R.'s they're not screwed??????

That being said, with our running game and Romo and our defense, we can still beat a TON of people on any given Sunday!
BUT, like I said, your scenario can be said for EVERY NFL TEAM!

That's like saying what if Romo and Brad Johnson get hurt? We're screwed, welll, YEAH, every NFL team who loses it's STARTING Q.B. and BACKUP Q.B. are screwed!

I mean say we signed Roy Williams from Detroit and Terry Glenn retired, we'd have the best DUO W.R. combo possibly of all time, and you can still say the same thing, WHAT IF T.O. and Roy Williams BOTH get injured? We're screwed!

Like I said, name me one team who isn't screwed if they lose their #1 and #2 W.R., so to even ask this question is stupid!!

 

[Frozen700]

i wont offer another post again. my questions are stupid obviously. and only 50 posts? ive never had anything to say, especially not negative to any of you. so go on thinking you are the only ones with any kind of relative post. i wanted some answers with posts to help me understand the situation. go back and look at some of the posts that insulted me. maybe i was defensive and maybe i over reacted, but youall have a way of making anyone with an opinion u dont like or agree with feel stupid. the # of posts has nothing to do with my knowledge of the cowboys and concern with our offseason moves and draftinig. but i was wrong to think cowboy fans would stick together and support and help with people who have concerns. if i can i will try my best to quit this site. hey maybe you perfect posters who know all can help get me banned and save us all some trouble. ill keep my feelings and ideas to myself until i am no longer a member. my lack of posts means i never saw anything relevant enough to respond to. i cant compete on a forum with experts who have so much experience and inside info on the cowboys. you guys know all.

not everyone "rain man" just you. or maybe toolbox is a better description of you and your know it all attitude. jerry should consult you on all matters from now on.

whatever you say jennifer

sorry to offend you reverend. my point is we did NOTHING to give us insurance. and who the heck are you to judge anything. oh, right, you are better than that i guess. so be it, my LORD. of course you r right. i expected a debate, not responses belittling my post. maybe some answers bc i am worried about our depth.

chill out tonto

no you're no knucklehead but a smartmouth know it all, yeah, jerk

....oooo ****, i haven't laughed this hard in a while!

ah man deerssur is going off like a wild mad man!...this guy is funny...and isnt afraid to take you guys on...lol...you go man!

 

[BuckyG]

and it is not out of the realm of possibility considering their ages, we are screwed. does anyone have any faith that crayton, hurd, or austin can do anything to take up the slack? i dont. jerry had a very good draft, but it would have been in our best interest to go after a guy like dj hall or bowman considering they have as good or better talent in my opinion than the other undrafted free agent wr's that litter our roster. if character is such an issue we wouldnt have signed pac man or tank. dj hall is better than any of our other udfa wr's. i watched hall for 4 yrs at alabama and he ate people up. he was suspended only ONE time not 4 or 5, and then only for one half. he had a shoulder injury in the bowl game. he has dynamic talent, he just didnt jell with saban. we made a mistake not going after him. he is alabama's all time leader in catches, yards, and td's. ask around the sec and see how they felt about facing him. the gints got a steal. and no, this is not a homer thread bc i went to bama, i just think he would have been able to unseat crayton as the three guy. if crayton catches that 3rd down pass against the gints, wide open, we dont lose.

I think Jones was pretty clear that he is drafting and going after free agents who can help the team win a Super Bowl this year. This was a weak draft for wideouts, and it's unlikely that any of them would have made an immediate impact (few rookie wideouts do). Certainly, If Owens and Glenn both go down, the Cowboys are in trouble. But that's true whether their replacements are Sam Hurd and Patrick Crayton or Early Ducet and Mario Manningham. Rookie wide receivers won't pay off now, and for the future, there are potential trades, quality free agents, and better draft picks. I'd rather Dallas use some of its stockpiled picks next year to position for a real impact receiver than to reach for need in a bad draft for wideouts.