if TO and glenn both go down with injuries....

[Zimmy Lives]

and the winner of the 2008 post draft drama queen award goes to...

DEERSSUR!!!!

congratulate him everyone! it takes a lot of arrogance to be this pathetic.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


:bang2:

 

[Zimmy Lives]

To answer your question, Dallas' offense would definitely take on a different look but there are more options now with the addition of Jones, Choice, and Bennett. These three players add new dimensions to what was already an explosive offense so if T.O. and Glenn do get hurt it will be up to RedBall to make adjustments.

Do not count out guys like Stanback, Austin, and Jefferson making a contribution either.

 

[BuckyG]

To answer your question, Dallas' offense would definitely take on a different look but there are more options now with the addition of Jones, Choice, and Bennett. These three players add new dimensions to what was already an explosive offense so if T.O. and Glenn do get hurt it will be up to RedBall to make adjustments.

Do not count out guys like Stanback, Austin, and Jefferson making a contribution either.

Here's a nice overall ballpark look regarding WRs in the draft. Let's assume it takes a few years for most wideouts to come into their own--that's a fact, but certainly not necessarily always true, but let's go back to 2005, a draft from which players drafted that year would now have three seasons under their belts. Here's the top ten 2005 draft prospects from the Sporting News' scouts that year (Street and Smith had the exact same ten guys as their top ten, in slightly different order):

1. Braylon Edwards--Pro Bowl (which you'd expect from the third overall pick)
2. Mike Williams--total bust, a joke (tenth overall pick, ouch)
3. Troy Williamson--bust (seventh overall, 3 TDs in three years)
4. Mark Clayton--disappointment (22nd overall)
5. Chris Henry--future Hall of Famer, if arrests count
6. Roddy White--decent, but nothing special (27th overall)
7. Fred Gibson--has never caught a pass in the NFL as far as I can find
8. Craphonso Thorpe--caught his first NFL pass this year, after every Colts receiver died
9. Terrence Murphy--5 career receptions, out of the NFL
10. Reggie Brown--decent, nothing special

Overall, other than Braylon Edwards, do any of these guys really excite anybody? And there were six WRs taken in the first round (including Matt Jones) in 2005. Now, imagine this year's draft, where every team in the league didn't want a single available receiver in the first round. Realistically, what would the chances be that any of the this year's wideouts would have made any impact in 2008? This isn't to say that you shouldn't draft wideouts, but traditionally it's just about the most dangerous position in the draft. I can totally understand why Jerry Jones, hoping to get to the Big Show this year, chose not to pursue wideouts in the draft and would rather go after proven playmakers in free agency.

 

[SMCowboy]

That's exactly the problem.

So what if there was no Randy or Calvin? I'll take a Bowe, James Jones, Anthony Gonzalez, even a Sidney Rice.

It's not always about drafting the next Jerry Rice.

Count, the problem is IMHO, there is not a WR in this draft that I view at the level of those guys. Gonzalez and Bowe were taken in the first round, in what was viewed as a deep WR draft. That in it self should tell you what that the scouts see a huge different between Gonzalez and Bowe and this years WR class. I also believe that James Jones and Sidney Rice while very raw have a chance to develop into #1 quality WR's. I don't believe we will see a single WR in this draft develop into a #1 WR or even a strong #2 WR.

 

[SMCowboy]

What will we do in TO gets hurt? We will have to rely on Crayton, Hurd, Stanback and Austin. When talking about our future at WR, noone even CONSIDERS Stanback in the discussion and only lists him as a #3 WR at best. I will admit, that I just do not understand or buy. Is Stanback a guarantee, no he isn't. But given what we know right now I wouldn't trade Stanback for Meacham head up (even if they had the same contracts). I or noone knows for sure what Stanback will do. BUT, I will be SHOCKED if a #3 WR is what he ends up as. I will go on the record right now and say he will either develop into a #1/#2 type WR, or never do anything. Guys who are 6'2", 213, and can run about 4.4 40 yard dashes do NOT end up as career #3 WR's. I definately wouldn't trade Stanback for any WR in this draft heads up.

Also, for some reason noone wants to consider that Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd and Austin Miles will improve from last year. But both Sam Hurd and Miles Austin are going into the all important 3rd year. Ans Patrick Crayton has improved every year that he has been in the league. Yes, Sam Hurd and Miles Austin are UDFA's. But the likes of Marquis Colston, Donald Driver, and TJ Houshmandzadeh were all 7th round DP's. Is there really that much difference between a 7th round DP and an UDFA? Besides a LOT of WR's go threw the exact same progressions as both Hurd and Miles Austin. Nothing (or next to nothing the first year), 10 to 20 catches year two, then year three, the get 60 to 70 catches. I am not saying that either Hurd or Miles Austin will do that, but I will say that the probability of either of those guys doing that is a whole lot better than any of the WR's in the draft this year coming helping immediately. And it is also better than any of the WR's in this draft drafted after round 2 ever doing that.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

and it is not out of the realm of possibility considering their ages, we are screwed. does anyone have any faith that crayton, hurd, or austin can do anything to take up the slack? i dont. jerry had a very good draft, but it would have been in our best interest to go after a guy like dj hall or bowman considering they have as good or better talent in my opinion than the other undrafted free agent wr's that litter our roster. if character is such an issue we wouldnt have signed pac man or tank. dj hall is better than any of our other udfa wr's. i watched hall for 4 yrs at alabama and he ate people up. he was suspended only ONE time not 4 or 5, and then only for one half. he had a shoulder injury in the bowl game. he has dynamic talent, he just didnt jell with saban. we made a mistake not going after him. he is alabama's all time leader in catches, yards, and td's. ask around the sec and see how they felt about facing him. the gints got a steal. and no, this is not a homer thread bc i went to bama, i just think he would have been able to unseat crayton as the three guy. if crayton catches that 3rd down pass against the gints, wide open, we dont lose.

And the point? Unless you were able to pry away Chad Johnson from Cincy there isn't a reciever you would have gotten that we wouldn't STILL be screwed if TO goes down.

Even if you got Roy Williams or Anquan they're not going to replace TO. You're still not going to be the same offense, you're still not going to score the same. Now, obviously, you wouldn't be in as bad a shape as you would right now with it being Crayton and Hurd (Or whoever winds up the 4th reciever) but you're still in really bad shape.

And, remember, the three teams with the recievers in question have all been very adamant, thus far, in not trading them so it's not like Jerry can do anything about that.

 

[firehawk350]

What will we do in TO gets hurt? We will have to rely on Crayton, Hurd, Stanback and Austin. When talking about our future at WR, noone even CONSIDERS Stanback in the discussion and only lists him as a #3 WR at best. I will admit, that I just do not understand or buy. Is Stanback a guarantee, no he isn't.

You can't say that his first year with any real time is going to be any good with any real certainity. He spent all of last year on IR and has looked good in practice, yay!

But given what we know right now I wouldn't trade Stanback for Meacham head up (even if they had the same contracts). I or noone knows for sure what Stanback will do. BUT, I will be SHOCKED if a #3 WR is what he ends up as. I will go on the record right now and say he will either develop into a #1/#2 type WR, or never do anything. Guys who are 6'2", 213, and can run about 4.4 40 yard dashes do NOT end up as career #3 WR's. I definately wouldn't trade Stanback for any WR in this draft heads up.

http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=8&c=1&nid=2478820

4.65 is what scouts.com has him as.

Also, for some reason noone wants to consider that Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd and Austin Miles will improve from last year. But both Sam Hurd and Miles Austin are going into the all important 3rd year. Ans Patrick Crayton has improved every year that he has been in the league.

Did Crayton actually improve, or did his improved production come from seeing just about every snap on offense? Nobody thinks Crayton will be anymore than just serviceable as a #2. Solid #3 (not really great, but solid) but as a starter, you could do better.

Yes, Sam Hurd and Miles Austin are UDFA's. But the likes of Marquis Colston, Donald Driver, and TJ Houshmandzadeh were all 7th round DP's. Is there really that much difference between a 7th round DP and an UDFA? Besides a LOT of WR's go threw the exact same progressions as both Hurd and Miles Austin. Nothing (or next to nothing the first year), 10 to 20 catches year two, then year three, the get 60 to 70 catches. I am not saying that either Hurd or Miles Austin will do that, but I will say that the probability of either of those guys doing that is a whole lot better than any of the WR's in the draft this year coming helping immediately. And it is also better than any of the WR's in this draft drafted after round 2 ever doing that.

A lot of receivers also go through a progression where they don't catch anything, than catch 20-30 and than just sit there at that level for a bit. As for any 3rd round receiver or later coming in and being better than Hurd or Austin, I wouldn't put your money on it. TO was a 3rd rounder. Chad Johnson was too if I remember correctly.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Hurd -NO

Crayton - Maybe

Stanback- You will all see His talent I think this kid is going to be special. I hope I'm not wrong about Him.


I was one of Mb3's big supporters even after he didnt make that 3rd and short a long time ago and everybody ragged on HIm. Now look.


Put it on paper..Stanback will be Good!

Lets not forget Terry Glenn, he could be healthy!
Plus there could be a vet alternative, you never know.
Bottom line, there was no DOMINANT W.R. in the draft I.E. no W.R. was drafted in round 1, and we couldn't work out a trade for Chad/RW/ or even Javon Walker which he tried also, so what did you want us to do, REACH for a W.R. rookie and pray he does awesome his rookie year?

No, we went out and got T.E. Bennett, cause FORGET if T.O. goes down, what if Witten goes down?
So I'd rather have Bennett in case we lose Witten then some rookie W.R. if T.O. goes down since we have more experienced young W.R.'s to step in if we lose T.O.!

Sure we'd like a top W.R. opposite T.O., who wouldn't, but you can't fix EVERY problem or have 4 deep at every position!

Listen, I almost like it this way, Iv'e always wanted to see what Hurd brings with more playing time and want to see what Stanbch brings to the table, who knows, maybe one of them has a breakout year.

Listen, if Terry Glenn can play this year, It would give us a lot of leeway (sp?) in case of an injury, cause if we have Glenn or T.O. if either gets hrt, we'll still be fine, both would then need to get hurt to really cripple our offense.

Plus like I said there's June st cuts, and possible future trade for Chad Johnson if he keeps acting up and is a major distraction, they couldn't trade him on draft cause of the cap hit, but after june they could spread it out over 2 years, so he's still a possibility.

Lets wait till after training camp, see how Hurd and Stanbach improved, see how helathy Terry Glenn is, and see if anyone is cut June 1st before we start saying we haven't fixed our W.R. problem for this year, there's a lot of time from now till opening day to rectify the problem!

OH, and you also have to remember, just about every team in the NFL is like us, most don't even have a #1 stud like T.O. to begin with, and most teams offenses if you take away their #1 W.R. are gonna struggle on offfense, so it's not like the rest of the NFL doens't have the same problem.
Who do the Patriots have if Moss goes down?
They have Wes Welker as their #1 W.R.? and who is their #2 and #3 W.R.?

What about Cincy?
Lose Chad Johnson , and Housyourmamma is your #1 and there's NO ONE to play #2 W.R. or even #3 W.R. except rookies.

What about the Giants, take away Plaxico, who's their #1, TOOMER?

Think about it, take away a #1 W.R. from most every NFL team and their gonna suffer, what seperates us from most of the NFL is having a Q.B. like Romo, a T.E. like Witten, and a great running back tandem to keep the offense rolling if T.O. gets hurt!

We already have the most DEPTH at I think EVERY POSITION on the team in the entire NFL, yet we're still not happy unless we got TWO #1 W.R.'s to go with on offense! LOL

 

[SMCowboy]

You can't say that his first year with any real time is going to be any good with any real certainity. He spent all of last year on IR and has looked good in practice, yay!

I am not saying that I expect Stanback to step in and be a #1 WR from day one. This was more about don't pretend we don't have a very good young WR prospect on our roster, we most certainly do.

http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=8&c=1&nid=2478820

4.65 is what scouts.com has him as.

Noone knows where the 4.65 time came from, but Stanback never ran the 40 because of his injury. He ran track at Washington. Do you really think that he could finish 5th in the PAC 10 in the 100 meter dash with a time of 10.48 and only be a 4.65 40 yard dash runner? Stanback is absolutely a sprinter and has sprinter speed.

Did Crayton actually improve, or did his improved production come from seeing just about every snap on offense? Nobody thinks Crayton will be anymore than just serviceable as a #2. Solid #3 (not really great, but solid) but as a starter, you could do better.

Yes Crayton's numbers have improved partly because of playing time. But do you really think that it had nothing to do with improving his play either. And no, I don't expect Crayton to ever develop into a superstar, or a top #1 WR. But, considering he was a serviceable #2 WR his first year as a starter, I don't think it is to much to assume that if given another full year as the #2 WR, that he won't improve some more. Am I saying he will ever be even a great #2? No, but I certainly think it is very reasonable to expect him to be a LITTLE more consistent this year, and if he is that he would go from a serviceable #2 WR, to a decent #2 WR. No, I am not saying that I expect Crayton to be our savior, but I am saying to act like he will not improve any is not very realistic.

A lot of receivers also go through a progression where they don't catch anything, than catch 20-30 and than just sit there at that level for a bit. As for any 3rd round receiver or later coming in and being better than Hurd or Austin, I wouldn't put your money on it. TO was a 3rd rounder. Chad Johnson was too if I remember correctly.

Yes alot of top WR's in the NFL were drafted in the 3rd round or later. But most didn't come out of such a crappy WR class. Had most of the WR's that were drafted in round 2 come out last year, they would have been 3rd or maybe even 4th round WR's. They were drafted higher and ranked higher because the WR class this year is THAT pitiful.

 

[firehawk350]

I am not saying that I expect Stanback to step in and be a #1 WR from day one. This was more about don't pretend we don't have a very good young WR prospect on our roster, we most certainly do.

So good he lasted until the 4th round??? Right... You have a slightly intriguing and exciting young receiver who has done nothing thus far and is continuing to make a difficult transition from QB to WR. The odds aren't for him at this point, and if TO goes down, Stanback shouldn't be mentioned in a conversation as a possible replacement.

Noone knows where the 4.65 time came from, but Stanback never ran the 40 because of his injury. He ran track at Washington. Do you really think that he could finish 5th in the PAC 10 in the 100 meter dash with a time of 10.48 and only be a 4.65 40 yard dash runner? Stanback is absolutely a sprinter and has sprinter speed.

The time came from a guess on how quickly he plays. Scouts.com looks at his game films and ventures a guess on where he'd time based off of relative speed. Scouts.com is full of a bunch of guys who spend years scouting at different levels, so if they say he runs in the 4.65 (at least, he runs in pads as well as those who run a 4.65), he probably plays around that speed. I'm sure they didn't just pull that number from nowhere.

Yes Crayton's numbers have improved partly because of playing time. But do you really think that it had nothing to do with improving his play either. And no, I don't expect Crayton to ever develop into a superstar, or a top #1 WR. But, considering he was a serviceable #2 WR his first year as a starter, I don't think it is to much to assume that if given another full year as the #2 WR, that he won't improve some more. Am I saying he will ever be even a great #2? No, but I certainly think it is very reasonable to expect him to be a LITTLE more consistent this year, and if he is that he would go from a serviceable #2 WR, to a decent #2 WR. No, I am not saying that I expect Crayton to be our savior, but I am saying to act like he will not improve any is not very realistic.

By year 4, he's about as good as he's going to get. He's in his prime. He will go from a serviceable #2 to a slightly more serviceable #2.

Yes alot of top WR's in the NFL were drafted in the 3rd round or later. But most didn't come out of such a crappy WR class. Had most of the WR's that were drafted in round 2 come out last year, they would have been 3rd or maybe even 4th round WR's. They were drafted higher and ranked higher because the WR class this year is THAT pitiful.

And this is based off of what? Yes, it was a weaker class, but I think you're reaching quite a bit there. Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed would have projected to early 2nd rounders.

 

[SMCowboy]

So good he lasted until the 4th round??? Right... You have a slightly intriguing and exciting young receiver who has done nothing thus far and is continuing to make a difficult transition from QB to WR. The odds aren't for him at this point, and if TO goes down, Stanback shouldn't be mentioned in a conversation as a possible replacement.

A HUGE reason why he lasted to round 4 and didn't go sooner was because he had the lasic foot injury and couldn't do ANY sort of workouts and teams didn't think he could play last year. Had he been healthy, no way he lasts till round 4.

The time came from a guess on how quickly he plays. Scouts.com looks at his game films and ventures a guess on where he'd time based off of relative speed. Scouts.com is full of a bunch of guys who spend years scouting at different levels, so if they say he runs in the 4.65 (at least, he runs in pads as well as those who run a 4.65), he probably plays around that speed. I'm sure they didn't just pull that number from nowhere.

So now you are not going off his time, you are going off a guess from a website, not even NFL personnel. Instead of going off the fact that he HAS run track and HAS run the 40 yard dash in under 10.5 seconds. And I can tell you having watched him that anyone who says that Stanback can run the 40 yard dash in 4.65 seconds is smoking as much crack as a guy who says that Felix Jones runs like a 4.65 40 yard dash guy. Take a look at this film, and tell me you HONESTLY believe that there is ANY chance that Stanback runs like a 4.65 guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDxyA_PUIUw

By year 4, he's about as good as he's going to get. He's in his prime. He will go from a serviceable #2 to a slightly more serviceable #2.

So guys can NEVER improve after their 3rd year in the league? Come on, lets not forget that Crayton was a QB originally when he was drafted as well. And considering this is ONLY going to be his second year as a full time starter, to pretend that he can't improve at all is crazy.

And this is based off of what? Yes, it was a weaker class, but I think you're reaching quite a bit there. Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed would have projected to early 2nd rounders.

I am a Longhorn fan, and I can tell you that Limas Sweed NEVER even came CLOSE to playing near as good as his Physical Skills suggested. I also can say that I would MUCH rather have drafted Sidney Rice last year than Limas Sweed. And based on the fact that despite a run on WR's in the second round that saw 10 WR's go in the first 27 picks Limas Sweed was still the second to last WR taken. I don't think it is a strech to say that if the WR draft this year was a deep WR draft (like last year) that Sweed would have made it to atleast the 3rd round before he got drafted.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I would just jump!