If you don't like Byron Jones pull up the game tape of Dallas playing Detroit

[Dwight]

I skipped reading pages 3 and 4 on this topic but.... if anyone has positive game film on Byron Jones, let me know... I just watched two game films
worth of all defensive plays for UConn and didn't see anything great... and don't try to tell me the gift ints are great plays... I saw a guy that can't get
off a WR block to save his life... I also saw a guy that stands around tackles but doesn't engage in any tackles.... Heck, NFL Network showed game film
of every player BUT Byron Jones tonight.

Be careful some fans may be offended. The philosophy is that a secondary creates a strong pass rush.

Hayden has more upside and talent than Malcom Brown.

 

[Idgit]

Be careful some fans may be offended. The philosophy is that a secondary creates a strong pass rush.

Hayden has more upside and talent than Malcom Brown.

One, there's no need to worry about fans getting offended by an opposing viewpoint. Two, nobody has ever said that a secondary creates a strong pass rush. The idea is that you need to pressure both the QB and his WRs if you want to make it hard to pass the football. It ought to be intuitive that it's pretty hard to be successful if you can't do both, and yet, for reasons that defy logic, it still seems to be a topic of some debate.

 

[Blackspider214]

I didn't say he could cover Megatron, I said we needed a big WR to play against guys like that. Can Jones cover Megatron today? No. Can Jones in a half season or full season of experience hold Megatron to less than 329 yards like that 2013 game?

Yeah, I think so.

Can Carr hold Megatron under 300 yards? Yes. He did it in the playoffs. Or did you miss that game?

 

[Deep_South]

Anyone know what Jerry meant when he said acquiring Jones would enable us to do "something special" at safety?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think we draft a DE in the 3rd like Orchard. I agree the pass rush isn't fixed, but Hardy should only get a couple of games in his suspension and DLaw will be dramatically better. Plus I really think the DT rotation will be vastly improved from the development of the young guys (and Josh Brent getting back in shape).

 

[Blackspider214]

the best two secondaries in football met in the Super Bowl.

and the head coaches of those teams were DB coaches by trade....

What is your point here? You could also argue they had 2 of the better QBs in the league.

Even with Jones, we aren't even close to being one of the better secondaries in the league.

 

[Kaiser]

Can Carr hold Megatron under 300 yards? Yes. He did it in the playoffs. Or did you miss that game?

Was that the game where Detroit had 323 passing yards?

Yes, it was.

 

[Idgit]

What is your point here? You could also argue they had 2 of the better QBs in the league.

Even with Jones, we aren't even close to being one of the better secondaries in the league.

He probably thinks that throwing the ball well and stopping teams from throwing the ball well are key ingredients to winning in the NFL.

 

[Derinyar]

Be careful some fans may be offended. The philosophy is that a secondary creates a strong pass rush.

Hayden has more upside and talent than Malcom Brown.

I don't think anyone is saying that Hayden has more upside or talent then Brown, just that the way we would likely employ Brown would minimize his talent difference relative to someone lesser. On nickle we tend to go very small and fast, and now nickle is close to being the base NFL set, and Brown wasn't the under tackle in the teams eyes. This year there probably wasn't a DT that the Cowboys gave a 1st round grade because the top DTs this year were all something more like a NT or 1 tech.

 

[jterrell]

What is your point here? You could also argue they had 2 of the better QBs in the league.

Even with Jones, we aren't even close to being one of the better secondaries in the league.

Did we not have one of the better QBs in the league?

 

[Deep_South]

Jerry said Jones was in the top 15 on our board.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cowboys-cornerback-byron-jones-uconn-1st-round-030909613--nfl.html

 

[jterrell]

I don't think anyone is saying that Hayden has more upside or talent then Brown, just that the way we would likely employ Brown would minimize his talent difference relative to someone lesser. On nickle we tend to go very small and fast, and now nickle is close to being the base NFL set, and Brown wasn't the under tackle in the teams eyes. This year there probably wasn't a DT that the Cowboys gave a 1st round grade because the top DTs this year were all something more like a NT or 1 tech.

Probably just Leonard Williams. He goes about 290 which is about as heavy as Dallas would likely want a DL.

Would they take Dontari Poe? I am sure they would now, but not sure they would as a prospect.

Tams simply have certain characteristics and guidelines for positional fits and then they assign values.
They've been upfront and honest about how they view DTs.
They loved Aaron Donald, but thought Floyd was a clog the box guy.

 

[Blackspider214]

Did we not have one of the better QBs in the league?

You missed my point completely. He was cherry picking why they were in the Super Bowl. And completely ignoring the other side of the ball. Sorry, NE did not get to the Super Bowl because of their secondary. In fact, look at the Balt playoff game. They were torched by Baltimore. They won because of Brady. They also got going in the Super Bowl because of Brady in the 2nd half.

You better have a lot more than a good secondary to get to the Super Bowl. You know, like a defensive line. Something we don't have.

 

[jterrell]

Jerry said Jones was in the top 15 on our board.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cowboys-cornerback-byron-jones-uconn-1st-round-030909613--nfl.html

and that's not just fluff.
anyone whose been listening to local radio knows they were all over byron jones and virtually none of the local guys thought he'd make it to 27.
too many teams had cb as a need or so they thought.

 

[Derinyar]

Probably just Leonard Williams. He goes about 290 which is about as heavy as Dallas would likely want a DL.

Would they take Dontari Poe? I am sure they would now, but not sure they would as a prospect.

Tams simply have certain characteristics and guidelines for positional fits and then they assign values.
They've been upfront and honest about how they view DTs.
They loved Aaron Donald, but thought Floyd was a clog the box guy.

Forgot about Leonard Williams, mostly because he was never a realistic option for us unless someone found him standing over a body or pulling a harold and kumar with a bag of weed.

 

[jterrell]

You missed my point completely. He was cherry picking why they were in the Super Bowl. And completely ignoring the other side of the ball. Sorry, NE did not get to the Super Bowl because of their secondary. In fact, look at the Balt playoff game. They were torched by Baltimore. They won because of Brady. They also got going in the Super Bowl because of Brady in the 2nd half.

You better have a lot more than a good secondary to get to the Super Bowl. You know, like a defensive line. Something we don't have.

no, you missed the forest for the trees.
the BEST two secondaries in football met for the Super Bowl.
That is pure fact.
they had the best two CBs and the best two FS.
that was the outliers.

it wasn't the best two DL.s neither team finished in the top 10 in sacks.
nor was it best two passing offenses. NE 9th but SEA 27th.
nor was it best two rushing offenses. SEA 1st, NE 18th.

NOR was it best two QBs. OR OL. OR anything else.

It was best two secondaries.
I know this hurts everyone's feelings because it doesn't match their agenda but it is very much fact.

And the Super Bowl was won on an interception by a DB while Tom Brady prayed on the sideline.

 

[Szczepanik]

LB in the 2nd
DE 3rd
RB 3rd (We will have 3 picks tomorrow)

 

[Deep_South]

and that's not just fluff.
anyone whose been listening to local radio knows they were all over byron jones and virtually none of the local guys thought he'd make it to 27.
too many teams had cb as a need or so they thought.

They showed some pretty good discipline waiting until 27 to take a guy who was not only in their top 15, but who played the position they felt they needed the most, and can also play free safety. (Garrett said he felt Jones could play corner and free safety in the NFL.)

 

[jterrell]

They showed some pretty good discipline waiting until 27 to take a guy who was not only in their top 15, but who played the position they felt they needed the most, and can also play free safety. (Garrett said he felt Jones could play corner and free safety in the NFL.)

this is what they have been doing the past 3 or 4 years.
sitting their and taking the highest rated guy that fits their system or trading down.

if Jones can't play it is a scouting miss and you move on but there is nothing wrong with the logic, position or board value.
CBS had the guy rated 20th. Others also bottom 3rd of round 1.

local guys were telling us all along if jones was in round 3 or 4 people needed to re-think their boards.

 

[XxTDxX]

Problem with this is that hes soft. "Big/Physical" Doesn't work out real well for guys that are afraid of contact. I am hoping he works out.. He has a ton of potential. My issue is that I like guys with the eye of the tiger on defense who have that dog in them and he doesn't. Hope he turns out to be a good player but I would have taken Gregory or Malcom Brown