If you were a coach and could hire Bill Parcells or Wade Phillips as DC...

[azcowboy]

Wade as DC over tuna any day of the week, no questions asked. It's gonna be fun to watch a real 3/4 this year.

 

[iceberg]

Wade phillips has been in the league a long time. His teams have never done anything, lose in the playoffs.

Now obviously I know that this entire board hates Parcells and thinks he is a spare like dave campo, well whatever. His teams have won and made the playoffs.

i quit reading your "poor me" there. i couldn't stand parcells as our coach but i do realize he gave us a lot better talent when he left than when he got here. did he do what we hoped, no! but he got us closer and that ain't nothing to sneeze at if we can keep it going.

but as a parcells basher i took A HELL OF A LOT OF HEAT (and i earned my fair share, let's be honest) from those defending parcells and there were and are a lot of 'em.

so put the drama card away and let's not say the whole board is down on parcells cause that's just ignorance by neon lights.

 

[iceberg]

Wade.

fyi - that's 2 we've agreed upon today sp.

but i do like hos's twist - "which" parcells do i get.

that made the entire difference in his stay here.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Who would it be?

Just curious.

I would hire Wade.......I already seen for four years what BP cannot do!

 

[Juke99]

Parcells as a defensive coordinator? I don't think so.

Even at his peak, Parcells strength was not X's and O's...when he was at his best, he was a great head coach because he knew how to assemble a staff. In effect, he was like a very good CEO of a corporation.

He also knew how to motivate.

But I don't think his strength was nuts and bolts kinda stuff.

Hands down, I'd take Wade Phillips.

 

[Juke99]

fyi - that's 2 we've agreed upon today sp.

but i do like hos's twist - "which" parcells do i get.

that made the entire difference in his stay here.

Well yeah, if I could have the Parcells who had Lawrence Taylor as a player and have that LT on our team, I'd vote for him.

 

[Frosty]

Parcells is over rated: he was overated as a HC for the Giants and as a Patriots....and even did not do much as a Jet, What would the Giants and Parcels be without Lawarance Taylor... was it coaching or the player... I think BP was more of being at the right place at the right time with the right players...Its easy to coach playmakers... its harder to for good coaches to develop average players to playmakers...So I think a more revalant question would be
What would BP be without LT.... was BP the catalsyast that pushed the giants or was it playmakers...As a Cowboys it was evident that BP times had passed him Bye....but a 5-11 cowboys team could only benefit from a BP..his best record was what 10-6 with quincy carter... Now its Wades Turn and every team WP has been with has been a dominate Defense... My Money says Wade and the defense gets the Cowboys a playoff win and if they go further it will because of Garrett and the TO (scary)....

 

[Hostile]

Well yeah, if I could have the Parcells who had Lawrence Taylor as a player and have that LT on our team, I'd vote for him.

I wasn't talking about the team though. The way he coached then.

 

[sago1]

We all seem to forget that the Parcells of the Giants, NE & Jets also had Belicheck as his DC and a pretty good OC too. Parcells obviously trusted them and allowed them to call their side of the ball game mostly as they saw fit. With us, he had a DC he didn't know and same with some of our other coaches. Plus Parcells hadn't coached in a few years before he agreed to come to the Cowboys.

I still think he was a pretty good evaluator of talent cause we sure have lot better players then we had with JJ calling the shots. He was a good motivator for some players but with others it method might have been lacking--we shall know for sure in several months. Also think the players were unwilling/unable admit when they were injuried and continued to play--maybe to the detriment of the team. He's an old school coach and the game may be changing but at least he ensured we got character players and I don't have to worry like Bengal fans do re whose next on their hit parade of arrests.

I think we needed Parcells and he gave the best he could. We didn't win a playoff game, but at least we had 3 winning seasons in 4 years and that tops Campo. Still a disappointment and not what we expected/hoped. I'm hoping Phillips as HC/DC & Garrett as OC work out and that we have the talent to at least go 11-5 with at least 1 playoff win, but we've all been disappointed so many times.....

 

[jobberone]

There really shouldn't be any question at all. We know Parcells' version of the 3-4 doesn't work in the NFL.

I don't agree. I know his defense does work. I know it didn't work as well as we'd all like but it worked here and certainly elsewhere.

This team is in a different universe with Parcells' entire touch on the organization. We'll never know what would have happened had he stayed. Or if Ellis had stayed in the lineup. It's no surprise the defense fell off...or crumpled when we lost the ability to rush the passer well enough. I think Bill could have done better even that said. But he's conservative and overall that served him well.

Without Bill Parcells I'd hate to see what this organization would look like. I'd bet big money it wouldn't be at a point where people around the league were talking SB. Jerry maybe but not the way Dallas is being looked at by the rest of the league and media (yes even ESPN some).

OTOH, I think it was a perfect time for Wade to arrive. I'm not talking out both sides of my mouth either. Bill admits his way runs thin when you aren't winning. Hopefully Wade's way works for awhile and 'hits the spot'. And hopefully a lot of people's optimistic outlooks for this defense, including mine, are truly deserved.

If Wade is immediately successful it will be because he inherited a team ready to take off. And because Wade is probably the best person available to take it to the next step.

I don't think Wade could have taken what was handed to Bill and make it what was handed to him. And I and everyone else will never know if Bill could have taken this team to the next step. Wade doesn't have to do better than Bill would or could or should have done. All he has to do is win.

To answer your question I'd rather have Bill as HC and Wade as DC as long as Wade had been around long enough to gain Bill's trust.

 

[Juke99]

I wasn't talking about the team though. The way he coached then.

I think the team had a lot to do with the way he coached back then.

They were a strong group of personalities.

I just think that the Lawrence Taylor factor cannot be overlooked.

 

[Frosty]

I like Wade for two years after that it will be time for him to go....Wade Phillips teams always fall apart after two-to three years. He has always come in behind a hard nose coach and losen things up for the players to develope. But then his lack-a-daiscacly or players coach mentality strikes and the team losses discipline and falls apart....MARK my words in two years there will be a new DC Coach.........could be Jason Garrett

 

[Hostile]

I think the team had a lot to do with the way he coached back then.

They were a strong group of personalities.

I just think that the Lawrence Taylor factor cannot be overlooked.

True, but he was as aggressive with the Patriots. Not so much with the Jets because they were bad.

 

[Frosty]

True, but he was as aggressive with the Patriots. Not so much with the Jets because they were bad.

I beg to differ.... BP was a head case constantly fighting with the ownership....the "SHE" coment and dratfing TG...he was constantly at odds with the ownership. and IN my humble opinion that effected the PATs and the SB...he got them them to SB..... But if memory serves me right there was more hype about the Coach and Owner internal fights than the game...

 

[Hostile]

I beg to differ.... BP was a head case constantly fighting with the ownership....the "SHE" coment and dratfing TG...he was constantly at odds with the ownership. and IN my humble opinion that effected the PATs and the SB...he got them them to SB..... But if memory serves me right there was more hype about the Coach and Owner internal fights than the game...

What does any of that have to do with the way he ran the defense?

No offense, but huh?

 

[THUMPER]

For DC? Wade Phillips in a heartbeat.

 

[theebs]

I beg to differ.... BP was a head case constantly fighting with the ownership....the "SHE" coment and dratfing TG...he was constantly at odds with the ownership. and IN my humble opinion that effected the PATs and the SB...he got them them to SB..... But if memory serves me right there was more hype about the Coach and Owner internal fights than the game...

He had no problems with ownership until kraft bought the team his last season there. He didnt and doesnt like kraft. End of story he never had a problem with other owners. Another talking point that most use but they do not even know the history.

And for anyone who thinks he didnt do alot with the jets, sure whatever. Go look at their turnaround. They played denver in that championship game without their pro bowl starting corner aaron glenn and they almost pulled that out, then in 99 they go 8-8 with ray lucas at qb.

His team whipped wade phillips teams behind with ray lucas, oh and they whipped our behind in texas stadium in 99 with ray lucas. WHat does it say about the coach across the field when he loses to a ray lucas led jets team?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Wade. Duh!

With WP, players won't dread coming to practice or making a mistake. WP realizes people make mistakes. He just relies on people who make the fewest, and that goes a long way to making all the players more secure and focused on their position.

 

[theogt]

I don't agree. I know his defense does work. I know it didn't work as well as we'd all like but it worked here and certainly elsewhere.

It didn't work here at all, and there have been no other versions of the this defense ever, so no, it hasn't worked elsewhere.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I beg to differ.... BP was a head case constantly fighting with the ownership....the "SHE" coment and dratfing TG...he was constantly at odds with the ownership. and IN my humble opinion that effected the PATs and the SB...he got them them to SB..... But if memory serves me right there was more hype about the Coach and Owner internal fights than the game...

You understand Parcells worked for Kraft one season right?