If Young is our QB, what would you think ?

[dbair1967]

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Vick was unbelievable in 1999. As a freshman, he absolutely carried an average Virginia Tech team (way less talent than last year's Texas team) all the way to an undefeated regular season and a National Championship game where he single-handedly kept Tech competitive against Florida State. And he finished 3rd-- again, as a freshman -- for the Heisman.

I'm no VT fan or Vick fan, but there's NO WAY you can say Young was "much better" than Vick in college. Maybe slightly better, but that would be it.

I'd say your being a Vick or a VT homer then, because Vince Young was a better player in college than Vick was...Vick was the same thing in college that he is today, a running QB with almost no passing skills whatsoever

VT also didnt play the schedule that Texas has

David

 

[Danny White]

I'd say your being a Vick or a VT homer then, because Vince Young was a better player in college than Vick was...Vick was the same thing in college that he is today, a running QB with almost no passing skills whatsoever

VT also didnt play the schedule that Texas has

David

Well, you'd be completely wrong. I don't care two-bits for Vick or VaTech.

I just think this man-love for Young is ridiculous... and the fact that all these Texas fans feel the need to denigrate the season Vick had in 1999 to promote their guy is a little silly.

Vick and Young both made good passes in their respective college seasons, but both were also very suspect when it came to being proficient passers. For what it's worth, Vick was the highest rated passer in the country his freshman year, so I don't know if the "no passing skills" label holds up.

Many, including myself, were dubious if Vick would be able to pass in the pros, and so far he's been a below-average passer, but I strongly suspect Vince will meet the same fate with his shoddy mechanics.

 

[kartr]

His delivery is bad, he carries the ball out like a loaf of bread, and he isnt fast enough to play Michael Vick in the NFL

He's actually more like a young McNabb or Cunningham than Vick. His game is nothing like Vick's.

 

[kartr]

The point is, and remains, that no QB in NFL History gets nothing but love and being surprised by criticism is naive. Why wouldn't there be criticism of him? He threw 2 INTs. I don't understand what the issue is.

"Some" people would rip Jay Cutler too.

Oh the humanity!

The problem is that his critics here for some reason seem to think that he won't improve, they seem to have written him off before his even career has even begun. They prefer to compare him to Vick, rather than to Cunningham or McNabb even though physically, he has little in common with Vick. McNabb doesn't have Vick's speed or arm strength, yet he turned out okay. It's almost as if Young's critics don't want him to succeed or even have the chance to try. That's what bothers some us. Why can't he be given the benefit of the doubt like Jay Cutler, who only won 11 games in four years of college.

 

[Hostile]

The problem is that his critics here for some reason seem to think that he won't improve, they seem to have written him off before his even career has even begun. They prefer to compare him to Vick, rather than to Cunningham or McNabb even though physically, he has little in common with Vick. McNabb doesn't have Vick's speed or arm strength, yet he turned out okay. It's almost as if Young's critics don't want him to succeed or even have the chance to try. That's what bothers some us. Why can't he be given the benefit of the doubt like Jay Cutler, who only won 11 games in four years of college.

I can find you Eli Manning critics who will say the same thing.

I can find you Ben Roethlisberger critics who will say the same thing.

I can find you Peyton Manning critics who will say the same thing.



What benefit of the doubt for Jay Cutler? Show me where he threw 2 INTs and fumbled the ball. Come on man, show me. When that happens I will show you the same criticism of Jay Cutler.

So get off your high horse. Or is it a rocking horse? Freaking grow up for crying out loud. Your profile says you're in your 50's. Act like it for a change.

 

[Doomsday101]

The problem is that his critics here for some reason seem to think that he won't improve, they seem to have written him off before his even career has even begun. They prefer to compare him to Vick, rather than to Cunningham or McNabb even though physically, he has little in common with Vick. McNabb doesn't have Vick's speed or arm strength, yet he turned out okay. It's almost as if Young's critics don't want him to succeed or even have the chance to try. That's what bothers some us. Why can't he be given the benefit of the doubt like Jay Cutler, who only won 11 games in four years of college.

One of the few times I'll agree with you. If Young is receptive to learning Young may very well turn out to be a top QB in this league. I think Young ability to run is a great asset to have but he has to learn to be able to work from a pocket as well.

 

[kartr]

Exactly.

Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl. "Look at his QB rating."

Peyton Manning is a freaking genius. "He can't win the big one."

It's the nature of the game and fandom. Why be upset about it? It's reality.

Pointing out Cutler and saying he'd get a break that Young didn't get is 100% false. If Cutler threw 2 picks..."I told you he was a bust."

Fair enough?

Not true, no one has started a thread about whether Cutler or Leinart will be busts or not. Indeed, some of the media seem down right angry that Young was drafted ahead of both Bush and Leinart, even though they have no rooting interest in the teams that drafted them or the Titans either for that matter. Why should they care one way or another?

 

[kartr]

its way too early to tell anything about him and anyone that says otherwise is either being a blind homer or a blind hater...he made a couple of nice throws but our defense made things ALOT more easy for him than alot of the defenses he will face this year...I cant imagine another team he plays that we'll see the stat posted sometime in the 2nd half "Young under pressure, no sacks, no hurries, no hits" as we did today at one point

he has alot of stuff to work on...I suspect he's going to experience ALOT of growing pains and ugly games the remainder of the year

David

But the other side of coin is that he will have his moments too, like when he plays against the Texans defense.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Not true, no one has started a thread about whether Cutler or Leinart will be busts or not. Indeed, some of the media seem down right angry that Young was drafted ahead of both Bush and Leinart, even though they have no rooting interest in the teams that drafted them or the Titans either for that matter. Why should they care one way or another?

Young wasn't drafted ahead of Bush.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not true, no one has started a thread about whether Cutler or Leinart will be busts or not. Indeed, some of the media seem down right angry that Young was drafted ahead of both Bush and Leinart, even though they have no rooting interest in the teams that drafted them or the Titans either for that matter. Why should they care one way or another?

I think Young does have more question marks coming into the league. His style and system he played in college is not exactly what most Pro teams are looking for and raises doubts more so than QB's who have been playing in more or less a pro style offense.

 

[kartr]

Some will like him no matter what he does too. It's called Longhorn fever. It has side effects.

That's all I'm saying.

Chris Simms might take exception with you on that one.

 

[Hostile]

Not true, no one has started a thread about whether Cutler or Leinart will be busts or not. Indeed, some of the media seem down right angry that Young was drafted ahead of both Bush and Leinart, even though they have no rooting interest in the teams that drafted them or the Titans either for that matter. Why should they care one way or another?

Oh yes there were. At Draft time.

Also, once again get your facts straight. Bush was overall #2 and Young #3. 3 comes after 2.

 

[Hostile]

Chris Simms might take exception with you on that one.

So, you are saying "no one likes Simms."

Or are you saying "everyone likes Simms."

Pick one and I will shoot it so full of holes Swiss cheese will be jealous.



I'm saying opinions on him, and how good he is, or will be, are divided. Prove me wrong.

 

[kartr]

I can find you Eli Manning critics who will say the same thing.

I can find you Ben Roethlisberger critics who will say the same thing.

I can find you Peyton Manning critics who will say the same thing.



What benefit of the doubt for Jay Cutler? Show me where he threw 2 INTs and fumbled the ball. Come on man, show me. When that happens I will show you the same criticism of Jay Cutler.

So get off your high horse. Or is it a rocking horse? Freaking grow up for crying out loud. Your profile says you're in your 50's. Act like it for a change.

No one says that the three qb's you mentioned won't improve or get it done eventually. Cutler hasn't had a start yet, so how can you make say what he would or wouldn't have done. My age means I've seen a lot more than you have and I have dealt with a lot more critics(unfair) than you have and have proved them wrong every time. Telling me to grow up is a personal attack I believe and without knowing me or about my personal experiences, you're being way too judgemental. I have experienced personally, the kind of criticism that Young is going thru and every time, they've come back to tell me that they jumped to conclusions and that they were sorry. That happened in my teens, in my twenties and thirties and fortys etc. After a while, you begin to conclude that those doubters just didn't want you to succeed because of their own personal agendas and weren't giving you the benefit of doubt like they would other new personnel.

 

[kartr]

One of the few times I'll agree with you. If Young is receptive to learning Young may very well turn out to be a top QB in this league. I think Young ability to run is a great asset to have but he has to learn to be able to work from a pocket as well.

Well, I thank you for that comment, I'm not a UT fan, but I have watched him since the beginning of his college career and he has improved every year. He seems to have a passion for the game, so I believe he will devote himself to his craft and do very well, since he has quality coaches around him.

 

[kartr]

I think Young does have more question marks coming into the league. His style and system he played in college is not exactly what most Pro teams are looking for and raises doubts more so than QB's who have been playing in more or less a pro style offense.

I agree, but so did McNabb, I'm just saying that his critics are looking at only one side of the equation.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, I thank you for that comment, I'm not a UT fan, but I have watched him since the beginning of his college career and he has improved every year. He seems to have a passion for the game, so I believe he will devote himself to his craft and do very well, since he has quality coaches around him.

He does have a fine coach in Norm Chow and if he is willing to learn then he has a chance to develop into a very good QB. I think Young has great leadership ability and seems to be a very cool customer who is not easily shaken up by what is taking place within a game. These attributes will serve him well. There is no doubt in my mind though he will need to make a lot adjustments with his passing skills. This is not the NCAA and guys are not going to be as wideopen as he has seen in college, he is also not going to be able to break tackles on this level as he did in college. The ability to run is a great asset but it is not what makes a pro QB great.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree, but so did McNabb, I'm just saying that his critics are looking at only one side of the equation.

True, McNabb has learned to throw from a pocket. This helps because teams can't just force him to throw from the pocket because now he can. If a team knows you’re only dangerous when you’re on the run they can do things to contain you to force you to do things your not comfortable with. There are many great QB who had the ability to run but all the greats were also able to kill you from the pocket if all you did was try to contain them.

 

[Hostile]

No one says that the three qb's you mentioned won't improve or get it done eventually.

Don't be naive. People absolutely say that Eli in particular sucks and won't improve. Do a search here on his name. Ridiculous.

Cutler hasn't had a start yet, so how can you make say what he would or wouldn't have done.

You're the one who maintained he's getting a free pass. The burden of proof is on you, not me. I'm saying if he plays badly (read 2 INTs and a fumble) he'll get roasted. There were plenty of people who at Draft time said he was going to be a bust. Plenty.

My age means I've seen a lot more than you have and I have dealt with a lot more critics(unfair) than you have and have proved them wrong every time.

No, age means you're older. That's all.

Proved who wrong? Certainly no one on this site.

Telling me to grow up is a personal attack I believe and without knowing me or about my personal experiences, you're being way too judgemental.

If I am then I am sorry. I just don't think your agenda is mature. Frankly it's juvenile. I'll do my level best to separate you from your agenda. It won't be easy, but I will try.

I have experienced personally, the kind of criticism that Young is going thru and every time, they've come back to tell me that they jumped to conclusions and that they were sorry. That happened in my teens, in my twenties and thirties and fortys etc.

Welcome to the real world. Your experiences don't mean squat about his, or about the people who praise, or criticize, him. You got stereotyped. Tell me truthfully how does returning the favor solve what you went through?

Be honest.

After a while, you begin to conclude that those doubters just didn't want you to succeed because of their own personal agendas and weren't giving you the benefit of doubt like they would other new personnel.

Yet you obviously learned nothing from what you experienced since you are doing the exact same thing to other people.

Quite sad actually.

 

[superpunk]

No, age means you're older.