I'll Say It For a Few of Us

[Hostile]

I will say it again.

If it is just him being too stubborn..then why did he start Bledsoe as a rookie?

Tell me who he had as an option first. I honestly don't remember. He drafted Drew though. He's obviously loyal to "his" players.

Or do you not see this?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Bledsoe was the first pick in the whole draft.

I would hope Parcells would give him a shot at some point with that team.

It was not at some point...it was from the get go...and the idea that he was a top pick further speaks of what I am saying.

He did not get a guy at a yard sale like QC, Hutch, Romo and Henson.

 

[rcaldw]

Yet he still started bledsoe as a rookie.

odd.

I think people have WAY TOO MUCH man love for both Romo or Henson.

Cmon, at least be fair with your evaluation. We all know that Bill wasn't on his last leg when he started Bledsoe. Parcells knows that he can start rookies at other positions and it doesn't drag a team down like it does to play a rookie at QB. Even when you win with a rookie (or 2nd or 3rd year) player at QB it is a difficult task with lots of ups and downs.

I happen to think that Chris Simms is talented, but even in his 3rd year Gruden is playing it very close to the vest with Simms under center.

All this talk about what Henson can or can't do is what is silly. The guy WAS blue chip prospect out of high school, AND while he was in College. That isn't the opinion of a few fans with "man love" or whatever you call it, that was the opinion of pro football scouts. HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET A 3RD ROUND PICK FOR A GUY OUT OF FOOTBALL FOR 4 YEARS IF HE WASN'T A BLUE CHIP PROSPECT?????

And don't say Jerry Jones because Jones wasn't alone in the bidding department.

Ron Wolf, for one, thought very highly of Henson.

We aren't dreaming this up. And I don't care what anyone on this board says, Drew Henson was never given the kind of chance that a lot of these young guys are given. Even right now I'm watching the lowly Brooks Bolinger playing for the Jets. He is no blue chip prospect, but even HE looks better the more he plays.

So we can have this discussion all day, but what it comes down to is a lot of you are into being competitive, and respectable. I want us to take the approach that we are going to build with our own guys and aim for long term success.

I still think Henson can play. I don't care if I'm in the minority on that or not.

Where I'll agree is this. The longer he sits the less chance there is that he will amount to anything because the age clock is ticking.

 

[Hostile]

Echo that

Of all the answers that could have been called today, I know Drew Henson wasnt one of them.

No one, not one single person said Drew Henson was the answer for today's game.

Why is that so hard to figure out?

The author said it was foolish to not groom Henson more last year so that we had more potential options this year.

A more mobile, prepared QB is a bad option?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Tell me who he had as an option first. I honestly don't remember. He drafted Drew though. He's obviously loyal to "his" players.

Or do you not see this?

He was on board with bringing in drew and he was the one that brought romo in....I would say that would make them HIS players as well.

Maybe...Just Maybe....Henson is never going to be a starter no matter who his coach is.

That is something that SHOULD be considered.

Same goes for romo.

 

[TrIpLeTs06]

forget drew henson.. we need to pick up brady quinn or chris leak in the draft.

 

[Hostile]

He was on board with bringing in drew and he was the one that brought romo in....I would say that would make them HIS players as well.

Maybe...Just Maybe....Henson is never going to be a starter no matter who his coach is.

That is something that SHOULD be considered.

Same goes for romo.

I'll say it yet again because it doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Until they get a chance to play there is no way to determine that.

 

[el_chevo]

I know what I express here isn't popular or PC for this board, but I'll say it anyway because it is true.

The mistake was made last year with the benching of Drew Henson at halftime of a Thanksgiving day game, and the stubborn insistence on playing Vinny Testaverde when we had absolutely nothing to gain.

The New York Giants, during the same season, chose to sit down an aging Kurt Warner who is playing his mediocre football for another losing team this season, and grow with a young, green, QB. As you saw today, they are STILL suffering with him.

Problem is, they are not BEHIND US are they? They are AHEAD OF US, and they are STILL developing their QB of the future.

Somewhere along the line a lot of Cowboys fans have forgotten that is isn't our goal to be RESPECTABLE. It is our goal to win championships isn't it? Isn't that a part of what it meant to be a Cowboys fan, to think that way?

5 Super Bowl victories, a few more NFC Championships, America's Team, and now all of the sudden we are satisfied with NEW YORK GIANTS football and RETREAD QB's.

I don't care what Drew Henson turns out to be one day, I'll say it for as long as I watch football, they have mishandled that kid. No one has ever disputed that he has the physical tools to play the QB position and what do our QB guru's do but go change his motion and treat him like an equal to a Division 2 or 3 (I forget), short little golfer who tries to immulate his hero Brett Favre.

I'm a Cowboys fan and have been for life. From the time I can remember watching football, I guess at about 6 or 7 years old until today, that is about 35 years, I have lived and died with our Cowboys.

But I don't like the approach we have taken of late. I would rather try to develop our own long term QB and fail several times before we hit on him than to keep importing Bill's kids.

For the record, and I hope you don't miss this, I THINK BLEDSOE HAS PLAYED WELL THIS YEAR. I think anyone jumping off the Bledsoe bandwagon after today is just plain wrong.

What I'm saying today I have said since last year. It has nothing to do with Bledsoe, it has to do WITH A PHILOSOPHY, and the current one disappoints me.

There, now maybe I'll feel better.

I completely agree. I have been a cowboy's fan all of my life and it saddens me that our team philosophy has taken a turn for the worse. We are caught between winning with an inconsistent quarterback and developing the quarterbacks that we have. Unfortunately, the business side of football has taken hold, and we must win now. Thankfully, we have a developing defense that should be solid for a few years barring any serious injuries. All cannot be blamed on Bledsoe as our offensive line has taken a few hits this year. However, his inconsistent play late in the season has been a constant part of his previous history. We should learn to accept this fact at it has been apparent in his past with other teams. Having stated that, not all is lost in this season. Drew can rebound and so can the rest of the team. Parcells will have to make some serious decisions in the immediate future regarding the future of certain players. Does he bench Bledsoe? What about bringing back some of our currently sidelined players? Are we in panic mode now to make the playoffs? How will this influence decision making? While these are a few questions that I offer, I can honestly say that answers are not forthcoming. I simply don't know. I have strong faith in our defense, and they alone can make the difference in the rest of the year. Julius Jones is making a slow return, but I believe he will continue to get better. So, as I have always been faithful to the Cowboys, the same goes for the rest of the season. Picking up free agents in the offseason and making them gel into the existing team is difficult. Starting rookies on any team is, likewise, very difficult. These are factors that we should all take into consideration before making any judgement calls.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Cmon, at least be fair with your evaluation. We all know that Bill wasn't on his last leg when he started Bledsoe. Parcells knows that he can start rookies at other positions and it doesn't drag a team down like it does to play a rookie at QB. Even when you win with a rookie (or 2nd or 3rd year) player at QB it is a difficult task with lots of ups and downs.

I happen to think that Chris Simms is talented, but even in his 3rd year Gruden is playing it very close to the vest with Simms under center.

All this talk about what Henson can or can't do is what is silly. The guy WAS blue chip prospect out of high school, AND while he was in College. That isn't the opinion of a few fans with "man love" or whatever you call it, that was the opinion of pro football scouts. HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET A 3RD ROUND PICK FOR A GUY OUT OF FOOTBALL FOR 4 YEARS IF HE WASN'T A BLUE CHIP PROSPECT?????

And don't say Jerry Jones because Jones wasn't alone in the bidding department.

Ron Wolf, for one, thought very highly of Henson.

We aren't dreaming this up. And I don't care what anyone on this board says, Drew Henson was never given the kind of chance that a lot of these young guys are given. Even right now I'm watching the lowly Brooks Bolinger playing for the Jets. He is no blue chip prospect, but even HE looks better the more he plays.

So we can have this discussion all day, but what it comes down to is a lot of you are into being competitive, and respectable. I want us to take the approach that we are going to build with our own guys and aim for long term success.

I still think Henson can play. I don't care if I'm in the minority on that or not.

Where I'll agree is this. The longer he sits the less chance there is that he will amount to anything because the age clock is ticking.

It is my opinon that neither Henson or Romo is the future starter of this team...and probably any other team.

If pressed I would say Romo has a better chance of it.

So it does not bother me that they do not get more playing time....like it does some others.

 

[iceberg]

i'd be glad to consider it fairly w/the possibility he IS the answer, IF just given time.

when we had a chance to give him time and we didn't, i was furious at parcells last year. my guess is if we do fall and are pushed out of the race, he'll once again refuse to let either player get some reps in to see what they can do.

that's just stupid.

 

[DMX690]

Out of curisoty, how did Kyle Orton look in pre season this year?

Alot better then Henson, Kyle Orton was able to check down to his RB and look off the safety. He look like he had a understanding what to do out there. His play was the reason why Hutch is working at Burger King right now.

 

[Trip]

It was not at some point...it was from the get go...and the idea that he was a top pick further speaks of what I am saying.

He did not get a guy at a yard sale like QC, Hutch, Romo and Henson.

We'll do the same. The day we're so bad we get the first pick in the draft. Otherwise, surely there is someone out there that can play. I mean, #1 overall picks aren't the only ones to have success in this league.

QB's can't learn what it takes to win in the NFL on the bench period. We'll never know about Henson, Romo or anyone else until they get in there for a full year and that will never happen with Parcells. I doubt he ever plays a young QB again, unless is forced to do so by injury.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Roger Staubach makes it worth taking a look and if Parcells had given him playing time last year it would be 3 years not 5.

Explain to me the logic of staying with Vinny last year.

Explain to me the logic of staying with Bledsoe in the Philly and Cardinals blowouts. You hate the very idea of Drew Henson? Fine, I could give a flying crap. Put in Romo.

Giving these kids no experience at all is mind boggling. He's too stubborn.

Why does it always have to be about hate. Maybe there simply isnt any thing he doesnt already know. The guy is a millionaire head coach, who am I to argue with him? I didnt even know who Henson was when we signed him. I dont watch college ball. I hated the idea of signing another guy who left the sport for a time.
Not every one is a Staubach or Elway for that fact. There arent many of those and hoping Henson is seems far off to me.
You have said to stick with the bluchip,pedigree types, I agree, but he wasnt that when we signed him for quite a while. I gues that makes him all that with a reach. :laugh2:

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I'll say it yet again because it doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Until they get a chance to play there is no way to determine that.

There is obviously something wrong with the kid. He couldnt even get on the field during the wanning preseason games.

He failed at Baseball

He is not doing too well at Football

I wonder what he will fall back on next if he ever decides things in football is not working right.

This franchise needs to move on from drafting Baseball players, being cheap and trying to circumvent the REAL way you get a great young prospect.

Follow the mold other successful teams such as...errr..you know what im trying to say

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I will say it again.

If it is just him being too stubborn..then why did he start Bledsoe as a rookie?

Can I answer that, BP?

1. Because he was a handpicked # one pick, and those expensive pieces of the puzzle always get the benefit of the doubt over the more bargain basement merchandise. They are huge investments that must pay dividends pretty fast.

2. Because he was a few years away from putting anything like a winning roster together, and had nothing to lose by grooming the QB along with the team.

3. Because he was a much younger man then, and had more patience.

4. Because he found that Bledsoe was 'a wolf', ie, game ready.

But number four is the least of it, imo.

Number 5 is -

he had no better option.

Back then the notion that your first build the bus, then drop in the driver didn't seem to apply. Back then he had the time and patience to do it concurrently.

I still think the Carter experience screwed it all up.

Had JJ NOT forced his kids on Bill, perhaps Leftwich or Delhomme would be here.

 

[Hostile]

Alot better then Henson, Kyle Orton was able to check down to his RB and look off the safety. He look like he had a understanding what to do out there. His play was the reason why Hutch is working at Burger King right now.

That was funny.

Henson got injured. Call it an excuse. I don't care. Before he got injured I watched him play and he led us on 2 scoring drives and nearly a game winning third.

He blows chunks.

 

[Asklesko]

I'll say it again. We should have jettisoned quincy and Chutch and gone for a real QB. My gosh, the mismanagement is inane!

 

[Hostile]

Why does it always have to be about hate. Maybe there simply isnt any thing he doesnt already know. The guy is a millionaire head coach, who am I to argue with him? I didnt even know who Henson was when we signed him. I dont watch college ball. I hated the idea of signing another guy who left the sport for a time.
Not every one is a Staubach or Elway for that fact. There arent many of those and hoping Henson is seems far off to me.
You have said to stick with the bluchip,pedigree types, I agree, but he wasnt that when we signed him for quite a while. I gues that makes him all that with a reach. :laugh2:

"Who are you to argue with him?" Dave, you're a fan with a right to opinion.

I apologize for the word hate. After 3 years of this QB nonsense it is an adjective not an accusation. My bad.

Hey, I'm just entertained by all the QB coaches.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Alot better then Henson, Kyle Orton was able to check down to his RB and look off the safety. He look like he had a understanding what to do out there. His play was the reason why Hutch is working at Burger King right now.

I was very, very impressed with Orton last week. I thought he looked obviously well coached, so I looked up who the Bears' QB coach was. Anyone know who it is?

That's right... Wade Wilson.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Well...we can waste a few years on henson and be in the same or worse spot...I just don't think the kid has what it takes...I was hopeful at one time but that time has passed.

What we should have done was gotten a young QB in here instead of trying to play bargain basement shopper and hoping to hit a home run while paying for a single.

But hey that is one guys opinion.

The problem is that our owner and coach doesn't understand that when you rebuild, you rebuild! I agree with your analysis but I don't think it ends with QB. We need new blood at receiver, the offensive line and our secondary. Parcells still believes you can win with old veterans and maybe you can be competitive and sneak us into the playoffs with that strategy but you are not going to contend unless you are patient and you develop your team the right way.