I'm not one to complain about play calling... BUT...

[theogt]

There are multiple receivers on every play. Hurd may have been the first read, but he wasn't the only read. It was Romo's fault he didn't check down.

Conversely there are many plays where the Romo has checked down and someone was running free deep.

It happens.

Maybe Hurd was the 3rd or 4th read on that play and like Romo said, he just didn't see the safety so he went to that 3rd or 4th read.

Or maybe Garrett called a play that was designed to go deep.

Chalk it up to things we'll never know.

The Cowboys ran 60% of the time in the second half. That's pretty dedicated to the run in my book based on NFL statistics.

Simply saying 60% kinda sounds like a lot. But when you say there 10 passes and 14 runs, I think it doesn't sound so lopsided. Though kudos to Garrett for not being completely ******** and abandoning the run altogether.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Maybe Hurd was the 3rd or 4th read on that play and like Romo said, he just didn't see the safety so he went to that 3rd or 4th read.

Or maybe Garrett called a play that was designed to go deep.

Chalk it up to things we'll never know.

You're absolutely right there.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe it wasn't evident from my post, but the safeties were playing deep all game, not just on that one play.

Safeties were moving around not sitting in the same spot throughout the game. Sorry that is not true. They did spend much of the time back but they also had defensive formation with 1 safety back one up.

 

[theogt]

Safeties were moving around not sitting in the same spot throughout the game. Sorry that is not true. They did spend much of the time back but they also had defensive formation with 1 safety back one up.

I was at the game, which means I could actually see where the safeties were lining up every play. They were selling out to stop the deep pass, which makes sense considering what happened the prior weekend.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was at the game, which means I could actually see where the safeties were lining up every play.

Well it was damn easy to see it on TV as well when the SS was moving up and the FS was sliding to the middle of the field. Sorry the Giants did not stay in the same defense all night long nor did they play 2 deep all night long. I don't care if you were at the game or not.

 

[theogt]

Well it was damn easy to see it on TV as well when the SS was moving up and the FS was sliding to the middle of the field. Sorry the Giants did not stay in the same defense all night long nor did they play 2 deep all night long. I don't care if you were at the game or not.

Was it easy to see that the FS was nearly 30 yards off the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped?

That's not a typo either. The FS was about 25-30 yards off the LOS.

Unless they replay every pass from certain views, you (watching television) can't possibly know where the safeties were lined up every play, so stop trying to assume you do.

 

[Doomsday101]

Was it easy to see that the FS was nearly 30 yards off the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped?

That's not a typo either. The FS was about 25-30 yards off the LOS.

Unless they replay every pass from certain views, you can't possibly know where the safeties were lined up every play, so stop trying to assume you do.

I did not see it every play I did see enough plays where they did show the safety and no not every single time did they line up 2 deep so stop acting like because you were there you saw all evidently you didn't or you would not be making a bogus claim.

On the Int yes he was lined up extreamly deep thus Romo should not have thrown it again that does not make the call bad since the OC would not know where the Safety is lining up before the play is called. This is why there are more than 1 option on plays because the defense does not line up in the same spot so as the QB goes to the line he makes his reads which help to determine where you will go with the ball. When Romo saw the safety lined up that deep he should have looked to the WR underneth

If you can't understand that then I am really sorry

 

[theogt]

I did not see it every play I did see enough plays where they did show the safety and no not every single time did they line up 2 deep so stop acting like because you were there you saw all evidently you didn't or you would not be making a bogus claim.

On the Int yes he was lined up extreamly deep thus Romo should not have thrown it again that does not make the call bad since the OC would not know where the Safety is lining up before the play is called. This is why there are more than 1 option on plays because the defense does not line up in the same spot so as the QB goes to the line he makes his reads which help to determine where you will go with the ball. When Romo saw the safety lined up that deep he should have looked to the WR underneth

If you can't understand that then I am really sorry

I see now that you're simply attacking a claim that I never made. I said the safeties (meaning either one or both) were playing deep all game. Sometimes both, sometimes one.

When you have safeties playing literally 30 yards off the ball, you don't go for the kill shot, because that's exactly what they're trying to prevent.

And if you can't understand that, then I am really sorry.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see now that you're simply attacking a claim that I never made. I said the safeties (meaning either one or both) were playing deep all game. Sometimes both, sometimes one.

When you have safeties playing literally 30 yards off the ball, you don't go for the kill shot, because that's exactly what they're trying to prevent.

And if you can't understand that, then I am really sorry.

and evidently you don't understand so well. If that is the case and Romo goes up to the line with the primary being deep that does not change the fact that all QB's go to the line make the read and based off the read determine where to go with the ball. Romo himself admitted he made the mistake of not checking where the safety was. There was nothing wrong with the call the QB failed to do his job.

And sorry here is your quote "Maybe it wasn't evident from my post, but the safeties were playing deep all game" Safeties this is why I said they did not play 2 deep all night because you indicated safeties as in 2

 

[theogt]

and evidently you don't understand so well. If that is the case and Romo goes up to the line with the primary being deep that does not change the fact that all QB's go to the line make the read and based off the read determine where to go with the ball. Romo himself admitted he made the mistake of not checking where the safety was. There was nothing wrong with the call the QB failed to do his job.

I simply disagree. There were three routes on the play. A deep route, and two intermediate routes. Romo never even looked at the other receivers. His goal from the get go was to throw to Hurd.

Maybe that was due to him ignoring the design of the play. Or maybe it was the design of the play. Either way, it's a poor play call to me, given the way their defense was playing and the way our offense was playing.

And sorry here is your quote "Maybe it wasn't evident from my post, but the safeties were playing deep all game" Safeties this is why I said they did not play 2 deep all night because you indicated safeties as in 2

Oh, I totally understand how you misunderstood what I said. No sense pointing it out to me.

 

[Doomsday101]

I simply disagree. There were three routes on the play. A deep route, and two intermediate routes. Romo never even looked at the other receivers. His goal from the get go was to throw to Hurd.

Maybe that was due to him ignoring the design of the play. Or maybe it was the design of the play. Either way, it's a poor play call to me, given the way their defense was playing and the way our offense was playing.

Oh, I totally understand how you misunderstood what I said. No sense pointing it out to me.

Romo never even looked at the other receivers. His goal from the get go was to throw to Hurd.

Then that is on Romo. OC is not going to know how the defense is going to line up on any given play and again why it is the QB who has to make the read the OC can't go out on the field and make the read for him. Tony knows better he screw up plain and simple

 

[dbair1967]

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I'm not sure why people insist on just citing the fact that the team put up 31 points but ignore the fact that the offense was responsible for giving UP a ton of poins because of turnovers.

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Because it wasnt the playcaller who caused the turnovers, it was the QB with poor throws/decisions.

 

[theogt]

Romo never even looked at the other receivers. His goal from the get go was to throw to Hurd.

Then that is on Romo. OC is not going to know how the defense is going to line up on any given play and again why it is the QB who has to make the read the OC can't go out on the field and make the read for him. Tony knows better he screw up plain and simple

This is getting a bit silly. The coaches call the plays, the players run them. Romo made a huge mistake by throwing without seeing the safety. Garrett made a huge mistake by calling a deep route (which quite likely was the #1 read on that play) at that point in the game.

 

[dbair1967]

IMO, that is why the offense performed better in the second half. There was a group of us watching the game and we were screaming the entire 1st half to run the ball down the Giants throat.

For the 1st half I believe they had 15 rushing plays and 19 pass attempts. IMO that is the main reason they were down 20 to 17 at halftime.

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So scoring less pts in one half is not performing better?

They had 3 scoring drives in the first and 2 in the second. Not sure I understand your logic.

 

[theogt]

Because it wasnt the playcaller who caused the turnovers, it was the QB with poor throws/decisions.

Coordinators only get blame when fans don't like them, apparently.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is getting a bit silly. The coaches call the plays, the players run them. Romo made a huge mistake by throwing without seeing the safety. Garrett made a huge mistake by calling a deep route (which quite likely was the #1 read on that play) at that point in the game.

if the call from garrett only had 1 option the deep rout then yes you are right but the play has more than 1 option that is the point I don't care what the primary target is yes Garrett may have wanted to see if we could get them deep and made the call but once the QB sees how they are lined up it is the job of the QB to make the correct read and not throw up the pass down field.

 

[dbair1967]

They lost as a team.

We can discuss many aspects...the special teams, ultimately because of the Jones' fumble, blew it. The defense clearly blew it...and so did the offense.

No one escapes blame and that includes Garrett.

It's about results. Yep, Garrett would have been a genius if Romo completed the long pass to Hurd. He didn't...so Garrett is questioned for the play call, just as Romo is questioned for the throw.

That's sports.

Fact is, with Romo as bad as he was, he should never have been given the opportunity to blow the game.

OK, so when one of our RB's fumbles the ball, its the playcallers fault for putting them in that position?

 

[theogt]

if the call from garrett only had 1 option the deep rout then yes you are right but the play has more than 1 option that is the point I don't care what the primary target is yes Garrett may have wanted to see if we could get them deep and made the call but once the QB sees how they are lined up it is the job of the QB to make the correct read and not throw up the pass down field.

What I'm saying is calling a play designed to go deep there, regardless of other options was a huge mistake.

 

[dbair1967]

No one's saying don't throw at all, but why throw a 50-yard pass when you're destroying a team at the line of scrimmage?

Garrett didnt throw the pass or make the read though did he? Also, there were other receivers not 50 yds downfield to throw to.

If you're running over them, keep doing it. Everyone knows that. Like theo said, when they're finally forced to bring safeties up because they can't stop you, then try a deep shot if you want to.

You mean like Miami did to Indy the other night? Oh wait, they ended up losing.

This is the whole reason we talked about running it more after the season last year -- to take some pressure off Romo and reduce both turnovers and the hits on him. Now we need to DO IT.

And they are running more, and yet people still complain. they are running a balanced offense thats about 50/50 in run/pass attempts. Thats rare in todays league and its a substantial increase over our past few seasons.

All you guys complaining about Garrett because of Romo's int on a stupid decision have gotta do the same when a RB fumbles the ball, because its exactly the same. Your blaming the playcaller for the players mistake.

 

[dbair1967]

On a night when the QB is totally off , you dont try to throw a quick strike from midfield on 1st down when running game was killing the Gints and we are leadig by more than a field goal. No one asks Garrett or Tony shut passing, but when DBs are deep why not do checkdowns to RBs & TE and mix it with some running to get points , another 10-12 yards it would have been good for a field goal.

It is not like we are desperate and it is 3rd down so instead punting Romo tossing out or something.

Garrett is stuck in 90's big play mode and Tony can't take what the D gives, he tries to be Hero (even when things are not going his way)and becomes Zero .

And once again, that wasnt the only route on that play. Romo had other options, he just chose not to look at them.