I'm not one to complain about play calling... BUT...

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MichaelWinicki;2966487 said:
There were two other Cowboy receivers going out into patterns on that play.

It was Romo's choice on where he wanted to go with the ball.

It was not Garrett's fault that Romo did not properly read the defense.

That is not debatable.

The fact that Romo made a mistake doesn't mean that Garrett didn't also make a mistake. Romo just compounded it. They can both improve.
 

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jay cee;2966878 said:
That is a good example. Just like running the ball more until the defense comes up to stop the run.

Dallas never stopped running the ball nor did we stop passing the ball and hopefully that will continue to be the case. Sorry I think Romo is a good QB who had a bad game but has shown more often than not the ability to play outstanding football.
 

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jay cee;2966878 said:
That is a good example. Just like running the ball more until the defense comes up to stop the run.

You mean you should run it 3 times in a row?

5 times in a row?

9 times in a row?

12 times in a row?

And never threaten with the pass huh?

Interesting strategy.
 

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Easy question if you had to give Garrett a grade in this past game what would it have been?

For me given the fact we got no turnovers and were 4-4 in the redzone and put up 31 on a pretty darn good team B+ to an A at least in my view
 

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kmd24;2966883 said:
The fact that Romo made a mistake doesn't mean that Garrett didn't also make a mistake. Romo just compounded it. They can both improve.

Sure they both can. No doubt about that.

But to have fans come off inferring this was one of the worst ball games that Garrett has called is complete bull-whoopee.
 

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Doomsday101;2966892 said:
Easy question if you had to give Garrett a grade in this past game what would it have been?

For me given the fact we got no turnovers and were 4-4 in the redzone and put up 31 on a pretty darn good team B+ to an A at least in my view

Yup. I'm with you.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2966889 said:
You mean you should run it 3 times in a row?

5 times in a row?

9 times in a row?

12 times in a row?

And never threaten with the pass huh?

Interesting strategy.

Where did I say that? I think we can discuss our differing points of view without throwing in the sarcasm. It's not that big of a deal. We just see things differently.

I believe the team would be better served if they become more of a running team. You don't, we can disagree without being disagreeable.:)

I can't say how many times they should run, but I believe it is obvious that the offense was more efficient when they ran more than they passed in this particular game.

Romo's 23rd pass came on the cowboys 2nd drive of 2nd half.

At that time the cowboys had just rushed on 7 of their 1st 11 plays from scrimmage to bring the rush total to 22 and scored the go ahead td to go up 24-20.

Romo's 25th pass was the Phillips pick. At that time the Cowboys had 23 rush attempts.

In the 4th quarter they had 6 rushing, and 4 passing attempts and scored the go ahead td again.

I'm not saying it will play out like this every time, I just think it gives them their best chance of being a really good team.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2966894 said:
Sure they both can. No doubt about that.

But to have fans come off inferring this was one of the worst ball games that Garrett has called is complete bull-whoopee.

I don't think it was the worst game he ever called, but on two of the most pivotal plays of the game, Sheridan was one step ahead of him, and Romo made it worse.

I don't think Romo's going to change quickly (or easily, but that's another post), so I feel like it's important for Garrett to keep Romo's tendencies in mind. Most of the fans that want to hold Romo's feet to the fire seem to be holding out some hope that he's going to miraculously stop trying to make plays.

I think it's easier for the cerebral, analytical coach to change his style in certain spots than it is for the impulsive, competitive athlete. That's why I'm beating this drum. I think it's the easiest way to make a step up in results.
 

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Running the football is the safest path to victory. Felix Jones only had 7 carries, 7. Unacceptable, unless you like going 9-7. If Felix gets 12-15 carries in that game, that takes pressure off Romo. The Giants were getting destroyed in that game on the ground. The balance should have been offset towards the run in that game.

Again, if Felix gets the ball 12-15 times in that game (rushes), Dallas wins, imo, despite the rough edges in that game for them. 10 carries for Felix may have done the trick. The ball is going towards your # 4 WR when you are up 4 and going for the kill. It should have gone to 28, imo.

Dallas rushed the ball 29 times for an 8.7 YPC and passed 31 times, I think.

The run total should have been higher than the pass total in that game, imso.
 

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Felix Jones is averaging 9.07 YPC on the season (13-118-1) and only has 13 bloody carries in two games. He should get 12-15 carries per game.

Hello. Your not using one of your very best players right.

Felix only had 6 carries at Tampa Bay and averaged 3.7 YPC on 6 carries.

He had a whopping 7 carries for 96 yards and a TD against the Giants. That is 13.7 YPC. 7!

Take Felix out of his shiny package and leave him out of it.

Use him right!

Feed Felix the rock.

If I was the coach, you wouldn't have this problem. I guarantee you that much. I'm not the coach, and the fact that he only had 7 carries is a joke. He could have been the difference, Felix and Barber.
 

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I'll say this and let it go.

Like I said above, I'm not the coach.

However, if this trend continues with Felix Jones, Wade Phillips will not be the coach, either. He'll be gone.
 

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dbair1967;2966394 said:
OK, so when one of our RB's fumbles the ball, its the playcallers fault for putting them in that position?

:lmao2: ok,this is getting kinda silly... Talk about twisting statements to fit your point of view

And yeah, if Garrett called a running play, in crucial spot, with a RB who had a history of fumbling at critical moments in games...and had already fumbled twice in the game, one being returned for a TD, I'd blame Garrett. Uh, especially if it was called during a game where the passing game was dominating and the running game stunk.

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Juke99;2967203 said:
:lmao2: ok,this is getting kinda silly... Talk about twisting statements to fit your point of view

And yeah, if Garrett called a running play, in crucial spot, with a RB who had a history of fumbling at critical moments in games...and had already fumbled twice in the game, one being returned for a TD, I'd blame Garrett. Uh, especially if it was called during a game where the passing game was dominating and the running game stunk.

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I do agree it silly, because no matter how hard some of you try you are never going to be able to convince anyone that Romo throwing 3 bad picks is the result of bad offensive play calls by the coordinator.

He wasnt rushed on any of the 3. None of the 3 was the result of a receiver running the wrong route. The picks werent the result of throwing 50 times. The picks werent because the Giants played exceptional defense. He didnt throw picks because the roof was open or because the price of cheese on the world market dropped. The picks happened because Romo threw a bad pass or made a bad read, period. And he's gotta get better at it, else we're never going to end this playoff drought.
 

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dbair1967;2967226 said:
I do agree it silly, because no matter how hard some of you try you are never going to be able to convince anyone that Romo throwing 3 bad picks is the result of bad offensive play calls by the coordinator.

He wasnt rushed on any of the 3. None of the 3 was the result of a receiver running the wrong route. The picks werent the result of throwing 50 times. The picks werent because the Giants played exceptional defense. He didnt throw picks because the roof was open or because the price of cheese on the world market dropped. The picks happened because Romo threw a bad pass or made a bad read, period. And he's gotta get better at it, else we're never going to end this playoff drought.


Your assessment makes too much sense,therefore it can't be true.

Craig
 

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dbair1967;2963773 said:
The only time we held them to a FG was after Jones' fumble. They ran one (and really two) of Romo's picks back for TDS. They scored a TD after the 2nd pick (before halftime) They also scored a TD after the 3rd pick, they drove over 70 yds for that one.

So the defense saved 4pts from that.

Hmm most have remembered the game differently. We did have good redzone defense though.

Thx for the correction.
 

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If Buddy Ryan was the coach for Dallas Monday night he would of punched Garrett in the mouth... ;)
 

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dbair1967;2967226 said:
I do agree it silly, because no matter how hard some of you try you are never going to be able to convince anyone that Romo throwing 3 bad picks is the result of bad offensive play calls by the coordinator.

He wasnt rushed on any of the 3. None of the 3 was the result of a receiver running the wrong route. The picks werent the result of throwing 50 times. The picks werent because the Giants played exceptional defense. He didnt throw picks because the roof was open or because the price of cheese on the world market dropped. The picks happened because Romo threw a bad pass or made a bad read, period. And he's gotta get better at it, else we're never going to end this playoff drought.

I never intended to assert that Romo's picks were the fault of Garretts play calling.

My claim was that Garrett's play calling was a large reason for the loss. IMO, there is a difference between the two.

So according to you guys, it does not matter what plays the coaches call, it's the players fault if the team loses.

If that's the case, a coach could call all running plays, or all passing plays and the players should be successful because they all made the right reads, blocks, cuts, and yes passes.

We can all make extreme statements to try and make someones viewpoint look silly.
 

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Vinnie2u;2967610 said:
If Buddy Ryan was the coach for Dallas Monday night he would of punched Garrett in the mouth... ;)

:laugh2: I know I wanted to do just that.
 

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jay cee;2967617 said:
I never intended to assert that Romo's picks were the fault of Garretts play calling.

My claim was that Garrett's play calling was a large reason for the loss. IMO, there is a difference between the two.

So according to you guys, it does not matter what plays the coaches call, it's the players fault if the team loses.

If that's the case, a coach could call all running plays, or all passing plays and the players should be successful because they all made the right reads, blocks, cuts, and yes passes.

We can all make extreme statements to try and make someones viewpoint look silly.

So the fact that he called plays that led to almost 400 yds of offense (of which 250 was rushing) and scored 31 pts doesnt mean anything?

I just dont see how anyone in their right mind can blame the offensive coordinator for a loss when they've run up the numbers they did. They lost the game because Romo threw 3 bad picks and the defense came up small again. Also, people are crying about the last pick coming on a deep pass, but Romo's other two picks came on relatively short throws.

There are certain play calls one could criticize. For example I think it would be easy to be critical of Norv Turner's play call on the last play of the game vs Baltimore the other day. If its not the last play, the call isnt so bad. But he put the entire game onto a gamble (run play up the middle with a small RB who who had almost no success running all day, and your team is missing two starting interior OL).
 
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