I'm not one to complain about play calling... BUT...

[jay cee]

Your right but OC will look to play off of the running game which was having success that is part of attacking. Had Garrett called 80% run and we lost the same people would be hollering about why did we not pass more? The play calling was fine there comes a point where the players have to execute and if they don't that is on them not the staff.

they did not run 80% and they lost. You say the play calling was fine, I disagree.

 

[jay cee]

Maybe. Maybe not.


At this juncture it's conjecture.

But you still did not answer my questions.

Are you saying that there is nothing the coaches can do to help their players succeed?

Don't you think the offense performed better in the 2nd half than they did in the 1st?

 

[Doomsday101]

they did not run 80% and they lost. You say the play calling was fine, I disagree.

I was under no illusion that we would agree.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

But you still did not answer my questions.

Are you saying that there is nothing the coaches can do to help their players succeed?

Don't you think the offense performed better in the 2nd half than they did in the 1st?

They certainly performed better after only turning the ball over once in the second half as opposed to three times in the first.

Again, it's less to do with the plays being called than it does with the execution.

The fault wasn't Garrett's. It was Romo's. Last year's Washington game? Yeah you could blame Garrett. But not this one.

 

[Doomsday101]

They certainly performed better after only turning the ball over once in the second half as opposed to three times in the first.

Again, it's less to do with the plays being called than it does with the execution.

The fault wasn't Garrett's. It was Romo's. Last year's Washington game? Yeah you could blame Garrett. But not this one.

I agree. It is almost silly, don't call any play because that player just may throw an int or fumble the ball. I don't think that is a mindset I want to see out of an OC. Face it any call that comes to the field if not executed can lead to a turn over that does not make the call a bad call.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree. It is almost silly, don't call any play because that player just may throw an int or fumble the ball. I don't think that is a mindset I want to see out of an OC. Face it any call that comes to the field if not executed can lead to a turn over that does not make the call a bad call.

And it's like this Dooms101...

You look at the success this offense has had since Romo has taken over-- and it's been the passing game that has "paid the bills".

Last year's running game wasn't anything to write home about and quite frankly it wasn't in the TB game either.

Hey, the running game looked terrific in the NYG game-- no doubt about that. But to suddenly abandon the one that brung ya... Well that doesn't make sense-- and I'm shocked more folks aren't giving Garrett credit for calling such an even game.

 

[Doomsday101]

And it's like this Dooms101...

You look at the success this offense has had since Romo has taken over-- and it's been the passing game that has "paid the bills".

Last year's running game wasn't anything to write home about and quite frankly it wasn't in the TB game either.

Hey, the running game looked terrific in the NYG game-- no doubt about that. But to suddenly abandon the one that brung ya... Well that doesn't make sense-- and I'm shocked more folks aren't giving Garrett credit for calling such an even game.

I agree. I don't want to see Garrett lose confidence in Romo and get to a point where we are unwilling to throw. Jason did not get pass happy in the game nor did he get to the point of sitting on the ball we continued to attack and put ourself in a position to take the lead late in the game.

 

[Z mann R2]

Yupp....#1 in the league in Rushing and still giving too many play calls to the pass

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No one's saying don't throw at all, but why throw a 50-yard pass when you're destroying a team at the line of scrimmage?

If you're running over them, keep doing it. Everyone knows that. Like theo said, when they're finally forced to bring safeties up because they can't stop you, then try a deep shot if you want to.

This is the whole reason we talked about running it more after the season last year -- to take some pressure off Romo and reduce both turnovers and the hits on him. Now we need to DO IT.

 

[Doomsday101]

No one's saying don't throw at all, but why throw a 50-yard pass when you're destroying a team at the line of scrimmage?

If you're running over them, keep doing it. Everyone knows that. Like theo said, when they're forced to bring safeties up, then try a deep shot if you want to.

This is the whole reason we talked about running it more after the season last year -- to take some pressure off Romo and reduce both turnovers and the hits on him. Now we need to DO IT.

Do you really think the long pass Romo threw was his only option? Dallas never stopped running the ball in the game but we did not becomes 1 dimensional either which was something people constantly hollered about last year. When Dallas fell behind in the game had Garrett abandoned the run and just went into an all out passing mode I would be inclined to agree with some around here but that was not the case. Dallas ran the ball and was doing so even late in the game.

 

[joseephuss]

No one's saying don't throw at all, but why throw a 50-yard pass when you're destroying a team at the line of scrimmage?

If you're running over them, keep doing it. Everyone knows that. Like theo said, when they're finally forced to bring safeties up because they can't stop you, then try a deep shot if you want to.

This is the whole reason we talked about running it more after the season last year -- to take some pressure off Romo and reduce both turnovers and the hits on him. Now we need to DO IT.

When Garrett called the play he did not know for certain where the safeties were going to be lined up. He was hoping that they would bring them up to stop the run and that along with the play action would leave them susceptible to a deep pass. Good call, but the Giants did not fall for it. That falls on Romo. He first has to make the correct pre-snap read and he also has to make a good read once the ball is snapped. He failed.

The issues with the Giants game are not that complicated. It came down to Romo playing very poorly and the secondary also playing poorly.

 

[nalam]

I agree. I don't want to see Garrett lose confidence in Romo and get to a point where we are unwilling to throw. Jason did not get pass happy in the game nor did he get to the point of sitting on the ball we continued to attack and put ourself in a position to take the lead late in the game.

On a night when the QB is totally off , you dont try to throw a quick strike from midfield on 1st down when running game was killing the Gints and we are leadig by more than a field goal. No one asks Garrett or Tony shut passing, but when DBs are deep why not do checkdowns to RBs & TE and mix it with some running to get points , another 10-12 yards it would have been good for a field goal.

It is not like we are desperate and it is 3rd down so instead punting Romo tossing out or something.

Garrett is stuck in 90's big play mode and Tony can't take what the D gives, he tries to be Hero (even when things are not going his way)and becomes Zero .

 

[Doomsday101]

On a night when the QB is totally off , you dont try to throw a quick strike from midfield on 1st down when running game was killing the Gints and we are leadig by more than a field goal. No one asks Garrett or Tony shut passing, but when DBs are deep why not do checkdowns to RBs & TE and mix it with some running to get points , another 10-12 yards it would have been good for a field goal.

It is not like we are desperate and it is 3rd down so instead punting Romo tossing out or something.

Garrett is stuck in 90's big play mode and Tony can't take what the D gives, he tries to be Hero (even when things are not going his way)and becomes Zero .

Right you only throw it on sure passing downs yeah that is the way to help your QB by only having him throw it in situations where the defense knows he has to throw it. Again no matter the passing play there is more than 1 option if the safety is dropping back deep then the QB needs to go else where with the ball not just chunk it down field.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

On a night when the QB is totally off , you dont try to throw a quick strike from midfield on 1st down when running game was killing the Gints and we are leadig by more than a field goal. No one asks Garrett or Tony shut passing, but when DBs are deep why not do checkdowns to RBs & TE and mix it with some running to get points , another 10-12 yards it would have been good for a field goal.

It is not like we are desperate and it is 3rd down so instead punting Romo tossing out or something.

Garrett is stuck in 90's big play mode and Tony can't take what the D gives, he tries to be Hero (even when things are not going his way)and becomes Zero .

You're right.

Why didn't Romo check down?

That wasn't Garrett telling him not to.

Are you saying that Hurd was the only one that went out for a pass on that play?

 

[Idgit]

On a night when the QB is totally off , you dont try to throw a quick strike from midfield on 1st down when running game was killing the Gints and we are leadig by more than a field goal. No one asks Garrett or Tony shut passing, but when DBs are deep why not do checkdowns to RBs & TE and mix it with some running to get points , another 10-12 yards it would have been good for a field goal.

It is not like we are desperate and it is 3rd down so instead punting Romo tossing out or something.

Garrett is stuck in 90's big play mode and Tony can't take what the D gives, he tries to be Hero (even when things are not going his way)and becomes Zero .

Ridiculous. You don't take a player with Romo's downfield capability out of the game just because he'd had bad throws early. Even if you do throw that ball deep and you don't complete it, you keep the defense on its heels and help your running game by stretching the field. The only thing you can't do in that situation is throw the pick, and that's exactly what Romo did. It's stupid to blame Jason Garrett for not seeing the deep safety. He's the coordinator, not the one executing the plays. Keep it straight.

 

[theogt]

Ridiculous. You don't take a player with Romo's downfield capability out of the game just because he'd had bad throws early. Even if you do throw that ball deep and you don't complete it, you keep the defense on its heels and help your running game by stretching the field. The only thing you can't do in that situation is throw the pick, and that's exactly what Romo did. It's stupid to blame Jason Garrett for not seeing the deep safety. He's the coordinator, not the one executing the plays. Keep it straight.

When you're running down their throats, they typically cheat their safeties up to stop the run. That's basic football.

But they weren't. They were keeping them deep. Just like in that Ravens game. And when they're keeping them deep, you don't call the long throw. You keep gashing them with the running game until they start cheating their safeties up.

 

[Doomsday101]

When you're running down their throats, they typically cheat their safeties up to stop the run. That's basic football.

But they weren't. They were keeping them deep. Just like in that Ravens game. And when they're keeping them deep, you don't call the long throw. You keep gashing them with the running game until they start cheating their safeties up.

How would you know where the safety is going to line up before the play comes in? Calling the play was not a mistake making a throw where the safety is staying back was a mistake. Romo could have easily throw to one of the underneath routs instead of throwing it down field.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

When you're running down their throats, they typically cheat their safeties up to stop the run. That's basic football.

But they weren't. They were keeping them deep. Just like in that Ravens game. And when they're keeping them deep, you don't call the long throw. You keep gashing them with the running game until they start cheating their safeties up.

There are multiple receivers on every play. Hurd may have been the first read, but he wasn't the only read. It was Romo's fault he didn't check down.

Conversely there are many plays where the Romo has checked down and someone was running free deep.

It happens.

The Cowboys ran 60% of the time in the second half. That's pretty dedicated to the run in my book based on NFL statistics.

 

[theogt]

How would you know where the safety is going to line up before the play comes in? Calling the play was not a mistake making a throw where the safety is staying back was a mistake. Romo could have easily throw to one of the underneath routs instead of throwing it down field.

Maybe it wasn't evident from my post, but the safeties were playing deep all game, not just on that one play.

 

[Idgit]

When you're running down their throats, they typically cheat their safeties up to stop the run. That's basic football.

But they weren't. They were keeping them deep. Just like in that Ravens game. And when they're keeping them deep, you don't call the long throw. You keep gashing them with the running game until they start cheating their safeties up.

Romo beats deep safety help all the time, and he'd never have thrown that ball if he'd even seen the safety in position on that play. The offense is designed to take what the defense gives you, you're right, but in this case Tony was just wrong about what was being given.

At that point in the game, we'd just driven 83 yards on them calling nothing but running plays. It was a great point in the game to test the deep coverage and was actually a very good call by Garrett. Tony threw it when he shouldn't have.