I'm not one to complain about play calling... BUT...

[Idgit]

I dont know any other team in the league where the coordinator gets more blame for the QB's dumb plays than here.

Every play call is thrown under the bus if it doesnt work, and the blame goes back to the coordinator. I'm sorry folks, but the coordinator does not tell the QB WHERE to throw the football. There's this really underrated QB skill called "reading a defense". Its one area where Romo really needs to improve.

I even see people critical of a reverse to Patrick Crayton, even though it gained 20 yds and almost scored a TD. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING? Somebody says Garrett is Mike Maartz like, are you kidding? Maartz was a pass happy guy who had major protection weaknesses in his scheme, NONE of Romo's dumb plays the other night came on plays where the protection was faulty or poor. In fact Romo has had pretty much superb pass protection in both games on virtually every drop back.

The coordinator didnt lose the game for us the other night. The QB and the defense which folded like a house of cards on the final drive did.

Romo can be just about as good as any QB in the league, unfortunately he has days when he can be just about as bad as any QB in the league. He threw three terrible picks the other night and his accuracy has been off in both games now. That is not the fault of the coordinator. Romo is not Quincy Carter and doesnt need to be hidden, at some point he has to get his head out of his arse and quit making dumb plays. Every time he does it he says "I know I have to get better" but he eventually reverts back to this same stupid crap.

Scoring 65 pts (31+ in both games) and having a total of 840 yds of offense should be plenty enough to be 2-0. Most coordinators around the league would be praised for that.

Thanks, dbair, for taking the time to type this up. I agree with you completely. We had execution problems on offense on Sun, not problems with the game plan or the coordination.

 

[craig71]

I dont know any other team in the league where the coordinator gets more blame for the QB's dumb plays than here.

Every play call is thrown under the bus if it doesnt work, and the blame goes back to the coordinator. I'm sorry folks, but the coordinator does not tell the QB WHERE to throw the football. There's this really underrated QB skill called "reading a defense". Its one area where Romo really needs to improve.

I even see people critical of a reverse to Patrick Crayton, even though it gained 20 yds and almost scored a TD. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING? Somebody says Garrett is Mike Maartz like, are you kidding? Maartz was a pass happy guy who had major protection weaknesses in his scheme, NONE of Romo's dumb plays the other night came on plays where the protection was faulty or poor. In fact Romo has had pretty much superb pass protection in both games on virtually every drop back.

The coordinator didnt lose the game for us the other night. The QB and the defense which folded like a house of cards on the final drive did.

Romo can be just about as good as any QB in the league, unfortunately he has days when he can be just about as bad as any QB in the league. He threw three terrible picks the other night and his accuracy has been off in both games now. That is not the fault of the coordinator. Romo is not Quincy Carter and doesnt need to be hidden, at some point he has to get his head out of his arse and quit making dumb plays. Every time he does it he says "I know I have to get better" but he eventually reverts back to this same stupid crap.

Scoring 65 pts (31+ in both games) and having a total of 840 yds of offense should be plenty enough to be 2-0. Most coordinators around the league would be praised for that.

I concur with this post completely.The loss in itself wasn't the end of the world Sunday night,however the stupid mistakes are a recurring theme from this group.The defense was gashed (in both games) and then Romo laid a turd.Bad quarterback play will bite you in the rear end the vast majority of the time.The way I look at is that Romo is paid like a franchise quarterback and he should play and act like one.Franchise quarterbacks don't make stupid mistakes like Romo made the other night or atleast the great ones don't make as many.That deep pick late in the game was identical(or seemed to be) to the airball that he threw against Baltimore last year.The play call to some is just senseless(and I respect their opinion),but when you pay franchise money to a player he has to execute the play,whether that means going to a checkdown/another option or throwing the ball into the stands.He has to learn to manage the game and know where he is at all times.Now when they play next week if Romo is struggling and Garrett calls a play like that,i'll put some blame on Garrett.Because at this time I don't believe you can trust Romo to make the correct read on a consistent basis and yoo are going to have to keep the training wheels on until he gets it,if he ever does.

Craig

 

[kmd24]

And again, did Romo have to throw it there? No. Further, it looked more like a bad throw to me than a bad read, as he either underthrew the deeper guy or overthrew the short pattern.

It was a bad throw, but it was also a bad read, IMO. I think Romo was reading man presnap and maybe expecting a blitz, but the DB in the short zone peeled off of RW to make the pick.

And again, Garrett doesnt throw the pass for Romo.
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Whats this have to do with Romo throwing 3 bad picks?
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That said, once AGAIN Garrett doesnt throw the ball for Romo or tell him which guy to throw it to.
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You can object all you want, but you'd be wrong and just looking for a scapegoat. The QB made a poor read, period. There were other guys in the pattern, Romo never looks anywhere else on that play. His mind was made up before he ever took the snap.
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Or if the QB hadnt turned it over 3 times.

Someone's looking for a scapegoat, but it's not me. I'll say it clearly: Romo's interceptions were the dominating factor in the loss.

Nevertheless, lots of parties had a role, and the fact that Romo played horrifically doesn't give Garrett, Wade, the cornerbacks, or anybody else a free pass. Are our coaches just going to accept losing whenever one guy has a bad game, or are they going to find ways to adjust and go with what works?

Chew on this: Garrett's offense has used the pass to set up the run historically, but we had 190 yards rushing through 3 quarters despite averaging 4.75 yards per passing attempt to that point. They were giving us the run. We only threw 4 passes in the fourth quarter, but managed to score the go-ahead touchdown. Garrett finally figured it out, just a little too late.

 

[Juke99]

It was a bad throw, but it was also a bad read, IMO. I think Romo was reading man presnap and maybe expecting a blitz, but the DB in the short zone peeled off of RW to make the pick.




Someone's looking for a scapegoat, but it's not me. I'll say it clearly: Romo's interceptions were the dominating factor in the loss.

Nevertheless, lots of parties had a role, and the fact that Romo played horrifically doesn't give Garrett, Wade, the cornerbacks, or anybody else a free pass. Are our coaches just going to accept losing whenever one guy has a bad game, or are they going to find ways to adjust and go with what works?

Chew on this: Garrett's offense has used the pass to set up the run historically, but we had 190 yards rushing through 3 quarters despite averaging 4.75 yards per passing attempt to that point. They were giving us the run. We only threw 4 passes in the fourth quarter, but managed to score the go-ahead touchdown. Garrett finally figured it out, just a little too late.

And this points to the structural flaw in the way the management of this team is set up.

Maybe Wade approved of the play calling but the head coach, who has decades of experience, should have had it figured out much sooner and should have told Garrett, "RUN the ball. Period"

Ya think Parcells wouldn't have walked over to Garrett and chewed his backside out?

But Wade can't do that...because we all know, Wade isn't the ultimate authority. Wade runs the defense and is the figurehead head coach.

But ultimately, it's my guess that he's pretty much powerless over Garrett.

 

[CF74]

And this points to the structural flaw in the way the management of this team is set up.

Maybe Wade approved of the play calling but the head coach, who has decades of experience, should have had it figured out much sooner and should have told Garrett, "RUN the ball. Period"

Ya think Parcells wouldn't have walked over to Garrett and chewed his backside out?

But Wade can't do that...because we all know, Wade isn't the ultimate authority. Wade runs the defense and is the figurehead head coach.

But ultimately, it's my guess that he's pretty much powerless over Garrett.

Well sure. Garrett is Jerry's guy, not Wades so in essence we have two heads, three if you count Jerry. This is why the team only dominates weaker teams and loses the big games. There is no true head coach.

I don't understand why it's so hard to switch from pass to run when:

A) Your QB is having an off game.

and

B) When the opposing team has "Sold Out" to stop the pass.

I see stupid people.... or... people just don't understand management. If your employee is costing your company money, it's up to the manager to change his strategy or fire the employee.

Romo is a liability right now because his play is sporadic and wild, therefore his passing and his audibles need to be limited, they need to be managed, they need to be regulated till he gets back on track.

Coughlin learned this with Eli. Eli used to be a liability, now he isn't. The Giants run the ball even when it doesn't work. Why? To limit mistakes. Now Eli makes the most out of his opportunities to pass but yet his safety net is still the run.

Romo was 13 for 29, somebody should have stepped in sooner and changed the strategy. We need to develop a safety net for Romo when he's having an off night, we have 3 waiting in the wings....

 

[jay cee]

Well sure. Garrett is Jerry's guy, not Wades so in essence we have two heads, three if you count Jerry. This is why the team only dominates weaker teams and loses the big games. There is no true head coach.

I don't understand why it's so hard to switch from pass to run when:

A) Your QB is having an off game.

and

B) When the opposing team has "Sold Out" to stop the pass.

I see stupid people.... or... people just don't understand management. If your employee is costing your company money, it's up to the manager to change his strategy or fire the employee.

Romo is a liability right now because his play is sporadic and wild, therefore his passing and his audibles need to be limited, they need to be managed, they need to be regulated till he gets back on track.

Coughlin learned this with Eli. Eli used to be a liability, now he isn't. The Giants run the ball even when it doesn't work. Why? To limit mistakes. Now Eli makes the most out of his opportunities to pass but yet his safety net is still the run.

Romo was 13 for 29, somebody should have stepped in sooner and changed the strategy. We need to develop a safety net for Romo when he's having an off night, we have 3 waiting in the wings....

And this points to the structural flaw in the way the management of this team is set up.

Maybe Wade approved of the play calling but the head coach, who has decades of experience, should have had it figured out much sooner and should have told Garrett, "RUN the ball. Period"

Ya think Parcells wouldn't have walked over to Garrett and chewed his backside out?

But Wade can't do that...because we all know, Wade isn't the ultimate authority. Wade runs the defense and is the figurehead head coach.

But ultimately, it's my guess that he's pretty much powerless over Garrett.
1 Hour Ago 12:08 PM...

Great posts guys, and I would also like to add that there is nothing wrong with perfect balance when your running game and passing game are equal.

But if your strength is one or the other you should lean more on that strength.

No one is saying that Garrett should never throw the ball.

I think with this o-line and these rb's and the giants playing to stop the pass, the better run, pass ratio should have been more like 60-40 than 50-50.

 

[ZeroClub]

And this points to the structural flaw in the way the management of this team is set up.

Maybe Wade approved of the play calling but the head coach, who has decades of experience, should have had it figured out much sooner and should have told Garrett, "RUN the ball. Period"

Ya think Parcells wouldn't have walked over to Garrett and chewed his backside out?

But Wade can't do that...because we all know, Wade isn't the ultimate authority. Wade runs the defense and is the figurehead head coach.

But ultimately, it's my guess that he's pretty much powerless over Garrett.

I see it the same way.

The team lacks a true head coach who attempts to manage the entire game. ... and that's on Jerry.

For me it is hard to blame Garrett personally for his play calls. An offensive coordinator should want to be aggressive ... and he should be so focused on his offense that he isn't paying much attention to how his own team's defense is performing. What stinks is that he doesn't have a head coach to give him input, direction, and to help keep him in line sometimes. Norv Turner had Jimmy Johnson. Who does Garrett have?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

For me it is hard to blame Garrett personally for his play calls. An offensive coordinator should want to be aggressive ... and he should be so focused on his offense that he isn't paying much attention to how his own team's defense is performing. What stinks is that he doesn't have a head coach to give him input, direction, and to help keep him in line sometimes. Norv Turner had Jimmy Johnson. Who does Garrett have?

But according to many, Garrett should be our head coach right now. Shouldn't he already know this?

 

[dbair1967]

But according to many, Garrett should be our head coach right now. Shouldn't he already know this?

The OC is doing a better job with the DC right now.

The defense shouldnt be this bad. There was only one reason to keep Wade, and right now he's failing in that one area.

 

[theogt]

The OC is doing a better job with the DC right now.

The defense shouldnt be this bad. There was only one reason to keep Wade, and right now he's failing in that one area.

The defense shouldn't be this bad. But the defense also kept us in the game for a long time when the offense (and special teams) kept coughing up the ball. That we came out of the first half up by three was a miracle and largely was the result of the defense being able to hold the Giants to field goals.

There's no reason to try and assign more blame to anyone for this game. Other than the O-line and the running backs, it was a team loss. Everyone deserves a large share of the blame.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The OC is doing a better job with the DC right now.

Probably true, but that doesn't have anything to do with my post.

 

[dbair1967]

The defense shouldn't be this bad. But the defense also kept us in the game for a long time when the offense (and special teams) kept coughing up the ball. .

Somebody else made that point too, but it isnt true. The Giants scored 3 tds as a result of those 3 picks (one, and really two of the picks were returned for tds, the Giants scored a TD after a long drive on the final int) they were held to a FG only once, and that was on Felix Jones' fumble.

no sacks...no turnovers...bottom of the league in yds and points allowed...its ridiculous...and Wade is in total control of the defense now...Wade also embarrassed himself in that PC the other day too...

 

[dbair1967]

Probably true, but that doesn't have anything to do with my post.

probably true?

 

[theogt]

Somebody else made that point too, but it isnt true. The Giants scored 3 tds as a result of those 3 picks (one, and really two of the picks were returned for tds, the Giants scored a TD after a long drive on the final int) they were held to a FG only once, and that was on Felix Jones' fumble.

no sacks...no turnovers...bottom of the league in yds and points allowed...its ridiculous...and Wade is in total control of the defense now...Wade also embarrassed himself in that PC the other day too...

Really? In the first half there were three turnovers deep in our own territory and the defense only gives up 10 points and that's somehow not keeping us in the game?

I'm not trying to say the defense performed well during the game, but come on, let's be realistic here. It's not so clear cut that the offense performed any better during that game. Both sides sucked it up.

I don't see any point in trying to have an argument about who sucked less.

 

[landryscorner]

Garrett never never learns, in the 3rd quarter he went for 3 PASS PLAYS IN A ROW!! for a 3 and out ....just plain ridiculous...I wonder what JJ was thinking when he saw the Cowboys throw fo zero hards on 3 plays in a row, just pathetic playcalling...pathetic..

 

[jobberone]

Garrett should learn to keep running until they slow you down some.

I find no fault in the long ball playcall that resulted in an INT. We were gashing them. You get the ball run down your throat you just dig in deeper determined to stop it. That call was brilliant esp if it works. You can't blame Garrett for the call. Blame Romo for a stupid pass. REAL stupid.

And the point about running a lot more due to the QB not having a good day is right on. But we scored enough to win the game.

No one has mentioned this one although he got plenty of blame. But why don't we adjust our pass coverage when there is not enough pressure and they're passing up and down the field on us. Can Campo do his job without the early 90s offense destroying their defense and protecting our defense. It's weak and one dimensional. I hate it. Ball-less. No guts. Sissy football. They don't even blow people up for catching a damn ball over the middle. Why? You know.

And the bottom line is turnovers. Forget all the rest. We wouldn't be discussing anything but the 250 rushing and a win over the Giants. It's not a close game without the turnovers.

Kudos to the D for keeping it as close as it was although until they step up with a big stop they won't be really that good.

Kudos to the offense for scoring 31. It would have been more without the turnovers and the D not as tired.

Turn the ball over 4 times to 0 in the NFL and you're going to lose a bunch of games. Esp in the NFC East.

 

[Juke99]

Garrett never never learns, in the 3rd quarter he went for 3 PASS PLAYS IN A ROW!! for a 3 and out ....just plain ridiculous...I wonder what JJ was thinking when he saw the Cowboys throw fo zero hards on 3 plays in a row, just pathetic playcalling...pathetic..

and that was after a long drive during which the Cowboys dominated the Giants on the ground.

Killer instinct is what it's all about. Get the ball back and go to work on pounding on their defense...sooner or later, you impose your will on the other team and the game is over.

But the Cowboys got "cute" again.

It's like a boxing match...ya got the other guy on the ropes, you finish him...you don't get cute or you'll get nailed with a knockout punch yourself.

Garrett should go watch some old fight films of guys who knew how to finish and opponent.

Sugar Ray Leonard may have had that cute look and all but when he smelled blood, he finished with the best of 'em...see Leonard/Hearns I.

That's what this team is missing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Juke, I think in Garrett's mind that was going for the killshot... He's always saying how "we're going to stay aggressive". Which I guess to him means going down the field.

But I'm with you. Getting the ball run down your throat is the most demoralizing way to lose. I thought everyone knew that. Garrett even saw us do that with Emmitt a million times. So I don't know why he didn't keep doing it when we were clearly having success with it and Tony already had two INTs.

 

[Juke99]

Juke, I think in Garrett's mind that was going for the killshot... He's always saying how "we're going to stay aggressive". Which I guess to him means going down the field.

But I'm with you. Getting the ball run down your throat is the most demoralizing way to lose. I thought everyone knew that. Garrett even saw us do that with Emmitt a million times. So I don't know why he didn't keep doing it when we were clearly having success with it and Tony already had two INTs.

I think he gets "cute" I really do. I think he outthinks himself.

The kill shot that I'm talking about isn't points..it's what you have cited here...physically dominating a team...especially one like the Giants who aren't accustomed to that. It was a chance to make a statement..."we can beat you at your own game"

Some people just have a sense of when the other guy is on the ropes, be it in sports, business, etc...

I'm getting the sense that no one on this team or staff has that.

Remember, as you mentioned Emmitt, that he demanded the ball coming out for the second half...and I believe carried 7 out of 8 plays for a demoralizing TD drive.

Someone has to have that kinda understanding of how to put an opponent away.

I don't think a long bomb for a TD kills the Giants as much as another methodical drive for a TD would have...

 

[theogt]

Juke, I think in Garrett's mind that was going for the killshot... He's always saying how "we're going to stay aggressive". Which I guess to him means going down the field.

But I'm with you. Getting the ball run down your throat is the most demoralizing way to lose. I thought everyone knew that. Garrett even saw us do that with Emmitt a million times. So I don't know why he didn't keep doing it when we were clearly having success with it and Tony already had two INTs.

It was, but you only do so when it's smart. They time to go for the long ball after crushing them with your running game is when they sell out to stop the run. The Giants weren't doing that. They were still keeping their safeties deep.