I'm Predicting Very Early Schoonmaker will be our Travis Kelce

[gimmesix]

You can say the same about a lot of hall of fame players. We’re still waiting on the next Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Tom Brady. The numbers Kelce put up will be as difficult to match never mind exceed as the best of the best.

Very true. I'm just saying we don't know. It's very highly unlikely, and fans here usually go to extremes one way or the other.

We certainly had no idea that Witten would turn out to be a Hall of Fame tight end or that Gavin Escobar would be a complete bust. Some may have predicted either of those things or the opposite, because that's what we seem to do. All I'm saying is that we don't know who is going to end up having a Hall of Fame career. Those things are very hard to predict. If the OP wants to try, I don't see any need to ridicule him for it since we don't know how Schoonmaker's career will go. I would say the probability that it doesn't turn out as good as Kelce's is very, very good, but I don't think the OP is saying that Schoonmaker will match Kelce, only that he'll be "our Kelce," which would be similar to saying he'll be "our Kittle" or "our next Witten." In other words, he expects him to be Hall of Fame quality. Again, that's a high bar to set, though.

 

[McKDaddy]

I'm predicting that your prediction will not age well.

 

[kskboys]

Very true. I'm just saying we don't know. It's very highly unlikely, and fans here usually go to extremes one way or the other.

We certainly had no idea that Witten would turn out to be a Hall of Fame tight end or that Gavin Escobar would be a complete bust. Some may have predicted either of those things or the opposite, because that's what we seem to do. All I'm saying is that we don't know who is going to end up having a Hall of Fame career. Those things are very hard to predict. If the OP wants to try, I don't see any need to ridicule him for it since we don't know how Schoonmaker's career will go. I would say the probability that it doesn't turn out as good as Kelce's is very, very good, but I don't think the OP is saying that Schoonmaker will match Kelce, only that he'll be "our Kelce," which would be similar to saying he'll be "our Kittle" or "our next Witten." In other words, he expects him to be Hall of Fame quality. Again, that's a high bar to set, though.

Absolutely not true. I was screaming it from the top of the mountains. Esco had bust written all over him. Anyone who read his scouting reports and had any clue at all what they were reading knew it. He lacked the skillset to get open, and was a terrible blocker. It was obvious.

Agree on the extremes!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gimmesix]

Absolutely not true. I was screaming it from the top of the mountains. Esco had bust written all over him. Anyone who read his scouting reports and had any clue at all what they were reading knew it. He lacked the skillset to get open, and was a terrible blocker. It was obvious.

Agree on the extremes!!!!!!!!!!!

As I said, some may have predicted it. But many of those who are right about one player busting are wrong about another. We had many on here railing against the Parsons pick and some who thought it was the greatest pick we could have made. We had some railing against the Tyler Smith pick and some saying the kid would be great.

 

[blueblood70]

The guy is very underrated. Big guy who can run. He can block and has heart.

not Kelce but a better version of Schultz like a Witten type..

 

[blueblood70]

I'm predicting that your prediction will not age well.

I'm predicting that predictions are ridiculous from either side but why not be the positive prediction over the negative prediction and the fact is we won't know for at least two to three seasons I mean we'll find out I don't think he's gonna be Travis Kelsey but I think he has a chance to be a more of a reliable and maybe a slightly improved version of Dalton Schultz...

 

[McKDaddy]

I'm predicting that predictions are ridiculous from either side but why not be the positive prediction over the negative prediction and the fact is we won't know for at least two to three seasons I mean we'll find out I don't think he's gonna be Travis Kelsey but I think he has a chance to be a more of a reliable and maybe a slightly improved version of Dalton Schultz...

That's a completely reasonable statement. Saying he's going to be the best TE in the league is a little gonzo when he has barely made it to the practice field.

 

[Big_D]

Absolutely not true. I was screaming it from the top of the mountains. Esco had bust written all over him. Anyone who read his scouting reports and had any clue at all what they were reading knew it. He lacked the skillset to get open, and was a terrible blocker. It was obvious.

Agree on the extremes!!!!!!!!!!!

The pick just made no sense at all. That role could’ve been filled with a minimum wage FA if you’re looking for a TE2. Or even if they went TE in the later rounds. Escobar in the 2nd was typical Jerry stupidity at that time when there were many holes that needed filling.

 

[blueblood70]

That's a completely reasonable statement. Saying he's going to be the best TE in the league is a little gonzo when he has barely made it to the practice field.

Like I said they might not be the most true statement we ever heard from him but I'd rather have the positive posts than all these negative posts I mean it gets old in here are you coming here is to be a fan of a team and hear nothing but negativity. So yes it was wild to predict that because I really think Ferguson's gonna get the bulk of the snaps this year anyway just like we knew last year he had a little something so if Luke and Hendershot can just fill in and grow that would be a positive by mid season if you get Luke doing some good things that would be great especially in the run game could use a tight end that's not a swinging door out there on the end..

 

[Big_D]

Very true. I'm just saying we don't know. It's very highly unlikely, and fans here usually go to extremes one way or the other.

We certainly had no idea that Witten would turn out to be a Hall of Fame tight end or that Gavin Escobar would be a complete bust. Some may have predicted either of those things or the opposite, because that's what we seem to do. All I'm saying is that we don't know who is going to end up having a Hall of Fame career. Those things are very hard to predict. If the OP wants to try, I don't see any need to ridicule him for it since we don't know how Schoonmaker's career will go. I would say the probability that it doesn't turn out as good as Kelce's is very, very good, but I don't think the OP is saying that Schoonmaker will match Kelce, only that he'll be "our Kelce," which would be similar to saying he'll be "our Kittle" or "our next Witten." In other words, he expects him to be Hall of Fame quality. Again, that's a high bar to set, though.

Kelce is an anomaly because he gets an unusual workload, great offense, great QB, great coach resulting in outstanding numbers for the position. It’s lightning in a bottle for a TE. Sure, it might happen again at some point but that’s with everything clicking on top of all world ability. If LS could be anything close I’d be thrilled!

 

[OmerV]

Lord have mercy…..if he’s Dalton Schultz I’ll be happy…..

Hopefully a somewhat better blocker, but in general I agree. I like the optimism, but talking Kelse level is much too much to mention at this point

 

[gimmesix]

Kelce is an anomaly because he gets an unusual workload, great offense, great QB, great coach resulting in outstanding numbers for the position. It’s lightning in a bottle for a TE. Sure, it might happen again at some point but that’s with everything clicking on top of all world ability. If LS could be anything close I’d be thrilled!

Me too. Of course, I'd be thrilled if he is anything close to peak Witten.

 

[gimmesix]

Hopefully a somewhat better blocker, but in general I agree. I like the optimism, but talking Kelse level is much too much to mention at this point

Dalton seemed to get figured out as a blocker. He was better at it at first and then DEs learned how they could beat him after he earned the starting role.

 

[big dog cowboy]

IN order for Schoonmaker to be a good pick he would have had to come out of the gate and hit the ground running. Won the TE job out of TC and been consistently blocking well and catching 600-800 or more yards per year in the passing game.

Rookie 2nd round TE's last 7 years:

2022 Trey McBride 29-265-1
2021 Pat Freiermuth 60-497-7
2020 Cole Kmet 28-243-2
2019 Irv Smith Jr. 36-311-2 and Drew Sample 5-30-0 (IR)
2018 Mike Gesicki 22-202-0 and Dallas Goedert 33-334-4
2017 Gerald Everett 16-244-2 and Adam Shaheen 12-127-3
2016 Hunter Henry 36-478-8

None achieved 600-800 yards receiving their rookie year and all were drafted before Schoon.

 

[Big_D]

Me too. Of course, I'd be thrilled if he is anything close to peak Witten.

No doubt about that. I think he can be very good in this offense. There’s speed and playmakers, so he should have plenty of opportunities. I think the talent is there!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Hopefully a somewhat better blocker, but in general I agree. I like the optimism, but talking Kelse level is much too much to mention at this point

I mean yeah I don’t think he can get any worse than Schultz there. So maybe a blocking Dalton Schultz. I just know Kelce is not a fair comparison.

 

[gimmesix]

Rookie 2nd round TE's last 7 years:

2022 Trey McBride 29-265-1
2021 Pat Freiermuth 60-497-7
2020 Cole Kmet 28-243-2
2019 Irv Smith Jr. 36-311-2 and Drew Sample 5-30-0 (IR)
2018 Mike Gesicki 22-202-0 and Dallas Goedert 33-334-4
2017 Gerald Everett 16-244-2 and Adam Shaheen 12-127-3
2016 Hunter Henry 36-478-8

None achieved 600-800 yards receiving their rookie year and all were drafted before Schoon.

A lot may depend on what his role is. We've got two sophomore tight ends that showed some ability last year, so Schoonmaker may end up being treated more like they were last year because you don't really want to have to rely on rookies unless they are clearly better than more "experienced" players.

For all we know, Ferguson could be our Kelce.

 

[ReverendFelcher]

Ima keep the positivity flowing too…..he WILL be better than David Lefleur….book it

…..and that’s going out on a limb

come to think of it he could be Zeke Mowatts identical brother

My niece works for David Lefleur in Lake Charles. Nothing to do with anything, just haven't seen him mentioned on here for awhile.

 

[Big_D]

My niece works for David Lefleur in Lake Charles. Nothing to do with anything, just haven't seen him mentioned on here for awhile.

The guy just couldn’t stay healthy. Otherwise he probably would’ve been pretty good.

 

[Toro9]

Kelce seems slightly douchey though. I bet he was a huge frat boy.