Imagine now had these fools not extended Dak

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Yep, Wilson's performance dramatically improved when he started getting paid just 0.5% of CAP allocation, as opposed to the years to struggle when he had a 10% hit. WHICH IS THE EXACT ARGUEMENT, MANY HAVE, AGAINST PAYING DAK SUCH A HIGH % OF THE CAP as he just needs too much support/protection/time (so that he doesnt have the added pressure of the clock ticking down) to be effective.
LOL, "cap allocation."

You're hilarious. So that's why Jerry and Stephen don't have a championship roster? Because Dak got paid?
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Dak's contract lowered his cap hit. His supporting cast was garbage way before he signed his new deal on opening day.

Adorable how you tried to let Jerry and Stephen off the hook though. You must be a distant cousin trying to get in on the fun.
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They'll applaud because we won't contend paying him that much, you are correct.

Yes it is, although the extreme incompetence of Jerry is, of course, a much bigger factor.
Yes, even NFL analysts like Troy Aikman and Tom Brady applauded Dak's deal for that very reason.

They're somehow invested in the Cowboys sucking, so they swallowed their integrity to lie to the public.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, guy.

It's either that or face the reality that you don't know football, and guys like Brady and Aikman would point and laugh at your awful takes right to your face.
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LOL, "cap allocation."

You're hilarious. So that's why Jerry and Stephen don't have a championship roster? Because Dak got paid?
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Dak's contract lowered his cap hit. His supporting cast was garbage way before he signed his new deal on opening day.

Adorable how you tried to let Jerry and Stephen off the hook though. You must be a distant cousin trying to get in on the fun.
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:facepalm:....so you're on the Support Dak Team this morning.

It's telling how you don't actually address the facts, just the semantics. Cap% matters, and less gaslighting....one of Jerry's biggest issues is the contract he just gave Dak.
 

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While I hate losing, as I love my favorite sports team to be on the winning side and love football. What would be the boards feelings at this point knowing we would have all these high draft picks and possibly a new franchise QB?

Would your outlook on the future be the same? Would you be enjoying this season more?

Talk amongst yourselves…
There was no valid reason whatsoever for the Jones boys to rush to pay Dak Prescott.

None.

But - as they have for years now - they mismanaged this team and salary cap. They assumed all risk of injury (how’d that work out?) and made the guy the highest-paid player in league history.

And for what? So your team could struggle with him and outright collapse without him?

It’s total mismanagement and Jerry and Stephen have skated by for years doing these kinds of things. And because they’re ownership, they’ve been unaccountable to one another.

But fans and media aren’t on the payroll and we should be holding them accountable in any way that we are able.

I’m encouraged by what I’m seeing on that front and I hope to see it continue.
 

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"Wak", so clever.

You can keep crying about the fact that we kept the reigning MVP runner-up with a deal that the rest of the NFL world applauded if you'd like.

The rest of us just want a good team around him.

And no, his contract isn't preventing that. His contract LOWERED his cap hit. Don't let Jerry and Stephen off the hook like that.
LOL....... did he receive a certificate he can hang on the wall for this massive achievement? Here's one for him....

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If Jerry had released or had allowed Dak to go.......what would Jerry have done to provide a QB? What's your take?

Jimmy G from the Rams?.........Mariota?.......Kenny Pickett?........Cooper Rush?.......Josh Dobbs?......Winston?......Wentz?......Andy Dalton return?........Flacco?......Justin Fields........Tommy DeVito?......Mineshew part of a trade?.....help me out.
 

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Just a question or two Aven8...........is there a good NFL team with a "Dak-like" QB that has a RB carry it's team? .....toss in an OL like ours?
Maybe the NYGiants with Saquan .....we saw how that worked out.

Just wondering what your thoughts would be.....all good.
I can think of a few. The Detroit Lions and Goff. While Goff has been fantastic this season he’s barely having to throw the ball. Why? Because he doesn’t have just one RB, but two that could start for any team in this league. Yes he has weapons galore, but if not for those RB’s, he has St Brown and LaPorta.

I will also throw in Philly. Now that Hurts has a bell cow again in Barclay they are a different team and he’s a different QB.

I might add both teams have arguably have the top Olines in football so that helps. But we aren’t that far off from that either as we are good at drafting Oline.

In the Cowboys history any time a QB has been successful he’s always had a bell cow RB carrying the load. Duane Thomas, Tony Dorsett, Hershel Walker, Emmitt, Jones and Barber, Demarco, and Zeke for a minute.

Dak needs to throw the ball maximum 25 times per game. Unfortunately they are paying him like he’s a 40 times a game Burrow, Mahomes, Brady type. That’s never been his game.
 

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Fair enough......revisit some more.....you'll find a GB punter eating popcorn on the sidelines all game or two Ram RBs trying to get 200 yds each.

How would you have preferred Jerry to handle the QB situation, given he's never drafted a good one in the 1st round, outside of Troy Aikman, with Jimmy orchestrating?
He has been fortunate with two overachievers as our starting QBs.
Or, just maybe, because Jerry has only ever drafted ONE QB in the 1ST Round. So then, did the Cowboys hit the jackpot on THAT lone First Round QB? You tell me.
 

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All the needs we have plus the most important position?

The future would be even more bleak. We'd look like the Panthers with any rookie QB.
Or spend 2025 shaping up the trenches and shooting for Arch in 2026.
 

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I can think of a few. The Detroit Lions and Goff. While Goff has been fantastic this season he’s barely having to throw the ball. Why? Because he doesn’t have just one RB, but two that could start for any team in this league. Yes he has weapons galore, but if not for those RB’s, he has St Brown and LaPorta.

I will also throw in Philly. Now that Hurts has a bell cow again in Barclay they are a different team and he’s a different QB.

I might add both teams have arguably have the top Olines in football so that helps. But we aren’t that far off from that either as we are good at drafting Oline.

In the Cowboys history any time a QB has been successful he’s always had a bell cow RB carrying the load. Duane Thomas, Tony Dorsett, Hershel Walker, Emmitt, Jones and Barber, Demarco, and Zeke for a minute.

Dak needs to throw the ball maximum 25 times per game. Unfortunately they are paying him like he’s a 40 times a game Burrow, Mahomes, Brady type. That’s never been his game.
Aven8.....you just listed teams that don't require a RB or two to carry the team. In fact you just mentioned the recipe needed for Dak......a team that is complimentary in different phases. A couple of weeks, Goff tossed 5 interceptions, and the rest of the team saved him. Dak toss 1 interception or 2......we're typically doomed. Philly, when Sajuan is minimized (like we did) can still gut you with AJ, Davonta, TEs, tush push and Hurts. And when Hurts isn't playing at a high level....here comes Saquan. Its called complimentary football.

So again....name a team that requires just the RBs to carry the team. There aren't any that are good.

But I will agree, Dak has been better when he doesn't have to sling it all over the place. Note: This began when Kellen Moore took over as OC, and now Big Mike is practicing exactly what he was against....pass-happy. And I'm predicting Kellen Moore will be our next HC.....because he will not challenge Jerry....and he'll be cheap compared to other HCs and Jerry don't like to pay coaches & staff......look it up.
 

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Or, just maybe, because Jerry has only ever drafted ONE QB in the 1ST Round. So then, did the Cowboys hit the jackpot on THAT lone First Round QB? You tell me.
If we're talking Troy Aikman.....yep.....Jerry hit the jackpot on that one. Is there one I missed?
Romo (undrafted) and Dak (4th round) are obvious over-achievers. No disrespect to any individual accomplishments.
 

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Aven8.....you just listed teams that don't require a RB or two to carry the team. In fact you just mentioned the recipe needed for Dak......a team that is complimentary in different phases. A couple of weeks, Goff tossed 5 interceptions, and the rest of the team saved him. Dak toss 1 interception or 2......we're typically doomed. Philly, when Sajuan is minimized (like we did) can still gut you with AJ, Davonta, TEs, tush push and Hurts. And when Hurts isn't playing at a high level....here comes Saquan. Its called complimentary football.

So again....name a team that requires just the RBs to carry the team. There aren't any that are good.

But I will agree, Dak has been better when he doesn't have to sling it all over the place. Note: This began when Kellen Moore took over as OC, and now Big Mike is practicing exactly what he was against....pass-happy. And I'm predicting Kellen Moore will be our next HC.....because he will not challenge Jerry....and he'll be cheap compared to other HCs and Jerry don't like to pay coaches & staff......look it up.
How is Goff and Hurts not being carried by Montgomery and Gibbs and Barclay? Put Dowdle and Zeke on those teams and see how much both QB struggles. We could go back and forth all day long as Dallas isn’t even in the same stratosphere as those two currently. Btw both QB’s are top 10 in pay as well so that’s not an excuse.

It’s always about complimentary football. Hence needing the bell-cow here. And for Kellen Moore being the new HC? That will set us back another 5 years.
 

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While I hate losing, as I love my favorite sports team to be on the winning side and love football. What would be the boards feelings at this point knowing we would have all these high draft picks and possibly a new franchise QB?

Would your outlook on the future be the same? Would you be enjoying this season more?

Talk amongst yourselves…
Had they not signed dak right now many fans would have hope for a new qb, and a better team in future,
but dont forget with the jones boys running this circus, they would probably screw things up in that scenario too!

As example, just look at the lance and mingo trades lol 2 4th round picks wasted !
Could they pick a good QB in the draft ?? I have doubts on that lol.
Will they use FA?? Can they get actual good players there??

Who will they hire as HC?? will they get a good OC and DC?

So many areas the jones boys could and probably would screw up makes it hard to have hope for fans in the know.


But yeah at least we would have more hope than now.
 

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Had they not signed dak right now many fans would have hope for a new qb, and a better team in future,
but dont forget with the jones boys running this circus, they would probably screw things up in that scenario too!

As example, just look at the lance and mingo trades lol 2 4th round picks wasted !
Could they pick a good QB in the draft ?? I have doubts on that lol.
Will they use FA?? Can they get actual good players there??

Who will they hire as HC?? will they get a good OC and DC?

So many areas the jones boys could and probably would screw up makes it hard to have hope for fans in the know.


But yeah at least we would have more hope than now.
Our next hope is the HC. If they don’t get that right it will set this thing back another 5 years. Bring in a Kellen or Kingsbury and this thing is doomed. Whomever it is they have to be the alpha. Jerry will be dead and buried with his pride and ego if he gets it wrong.
 

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How is Goff and Hurts not being carried by Montgomery and Gibbs and Barclay? Put Dowdle and Zeke on those teams and see how much both QB struggles. We could go back and forth all day long as Dallas isn’t even in the same stratosphere as those two currently. Btw both QB’s are top 10 in pay as well so that’s not an excuse.

It’s always about complimentary football. Hence needing the bell-cow here. And for Kellen Moore being the new HC? That will set us back another 5 years.
Can we say Goff has a very good defense?.....Can we say Goff has more than one WR to go to, even OL on occasion to pass to? Has a very good OL to accompany his two RBs, which the RBs prosper with. So Goff doesn't have to carry his team, and can be a "manager" when necessary....I agree. But without any of that, how would the RBs prosper enough to carry the team alone.....which is the original question. Also agree, Dowdle and even Zeke, would look a lot better on the Lions team. Montgomery didn't look like this in Chicago. Gibbs is on his way in the 2-back combo, but the rookie contract will end at some point. Will want his bag, so now is now to go win.

As for Philly.....if they didn't get Saquan......it would have been Derrick Henry.......at least a great chance, his phone would have had Howie Roseman on the line. Jerry didn't even call.

Dak, nor Cooper now.....has that luxury. My point. And it doesn't have to do with pay alone. Jerry had ample time to "bargain reduce" Dak and Cee Dee's contracts and failed. As for Dak, the man got placed under two franchise tags (just like Kirk Cousin)......Jerry had a choice to make this time, and he failed....not Dak (but the board will not accept that). Jerry gave our QB (even if it isn't Dak)..... a bunch of holes and issues contradictory to winning football.
 

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Aven8.....you just listed teams that don't require a RB or two to carry the team. In fact you just mentioned the recipe needed for Dak......a team that is complimentary in different phases. A couple of weeks, Goff tossed 5 interceptions, and the rest of the team saved him. Dak toss 1 interception or 2......we're typically doomed. Philly, when Sajuan is minimized (like we did) can still gut you with AJ, Davonta, TEs, tush push and Hurts. And when Hurts isn't playing at a high level....here comes Saquan. Its called complimentary football.

So again....name a team that requires just the RBs to carry the team. There aren't any that are good.

But I will agree, Dak has been better when he doesn't have to sling it all over the place. Note: This began when Kellen Moore took over as OC, and now Big Mike is practicing exactly what he was against....pass-happy. And I'm predicting Kellen Moore will be our next HC.....because he will not challenge Jerry....and he'll be cheap compared to other HCs and Jerry don't like to pay coaches & staff......look it up.
The only reason Moore, or any head coaching candidate is “cheap” is because no other teams want him. If no other teams want Moore as their head coach the Cowboys shouldn’t want him either.

Moore is familiar with the Dallas Cowboys and how the team’s FO operates. I doubt he’s straining at the leash to get any job with the Cowboys again.
 

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Can we say Goff has a very good defense?.....Can we say Goff has more than one WR to go to, even OL on occasion to pass to? Has a very good OL to accompany his two RBs, which the RBs prosper with. So Goff doesn't have to carry his team, and can be a "manager" when necessary....I agree. But without any of that, how would the RBs prosper enough to carry the team alone.....which is the original question. Also agree, Dowdle and even Zeke, would look a lot better on the Lions team. Montgomery didn't look like this in Chicago. Gibbs is on his way in the 2-back combo, but the rookie contract will end at some point. Will want his bag, so now is now to go win.

As for Philly.....if they didn't get Saquan......it would have been Derrick Henry.......at least a great chance, his phone would have had Howie Roseman on the line. Jerry didn't even call.

Dak, nor Cooper now.....has that luxury. My point. And it doesn't have to do with pay alone. Jerry had ample time to "bargain reduce" Dak and Cee Dee's contracts and failed. As for Dak, the man got placed under two franchise tags (just like Kirk Cousin)......Jerry had a choice to make this time, and he failed....not Dak (but the board will not accept that). Jerry gave our QB (even if it isn't Dak)..... a bunch of holes and issues contradictory to winning football.
Can we say Goff is better than Dak and it isn't even close?
 

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Can we say Goff is better than Dak and it isn't even close?
If that's all you got......my post is actually discussing RBs that carry a team, alone. Sorry. Put the match or gasoline down.

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I can think of a few. The Detroit Lions and Goff. While Goff has been fantastic this season he’s barely having to throw the ball. Why? Because he doesn’t have just one RB, but two that could start for any team in this league. Yes he has weapons galore, but if not for those RB’s, he has St Brown and LaPorta.

I will also throw in Philly. Now that Hurts has a bell cow again in Barclay they are a different team and he’s a different QB.

I might add both teams have arguably have the top Olines in football so that helps. But we aren’t that far off from that either as we are good at drafting Oline.

In the Cowboys history any time a QB has been successful he’s always had a bell cow RB carrying the load. Duane Thomas, Tony Dorsett, Hershel Walker, Emmitt, Jones and Barber, Demarco, and Zeke for a minute.

Dak needs to throw the ball maximum 25 times per game. Unfortunately they are paying him like he’s a 40 times a game Burrow, Mahomes, Brady type. That’s never been his game.
how dare you speak common sense here their's a large group that don't get it. On display alot recently
 
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