Inception

[casmith07]

I think he meant the initial van kick, the one they "missed."

Right. The van hitting the water should have woken them up in reality, but it didn't, unless I missed something and they weren't actually supposed to get woken up by that.

That's what I'm saying...the hospital explosion kicked them to Level 2 (hotel), and the elevator kicked them to Level 1 (van).

The van was supposed to kick them awake, but instead, they all got out and swam up ashore and just hung out - unless, like I said, the briefcase and sedative was set to wear off at the end of the flight and they woke up when the timer ran out like the other times earlier in the movie.

Either way, I still think they were back in reality at the end. I think if Cobb were to turn around and see that the top never topped, the decision would be clear: die to wake up.

But I agree with Hoof - it wasn't "limbo" per se. Cobb created that final stage based on memories, which you're never supposed to do.

 

[Kevinicus]

I'm confused about the kicks as well. How it was initially shown was that if you're in level 1 dreaming, and thus concious in level 2, if you're kicked in level 1 you wake up from level 2 and wake in level 1.

At the end, they were giving themselves kicks in the same level they were in.

To be consistent, Adriadne should have left Limbo when the building fell out beneath her in the 3rd level, not when she jumped off the building, and they should have left level 3 when the elevator went. The van hitting the water (I'm not sure why falling from the bridge didn't work) should have brought them back to 1 (which I think did happen) and then they'd be stuck there for I believe it was a week? Unless the flight attendant woke them.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why? You can't compare the quality of craftsmanship in Avatar to Inception.

The Avatar hate was nothing more than a herd mentality. It was hip to bash Avatar. You're so passe.

 

[casmith07]

The Avatar hate was nothing more than a herd mentality. It was hip to bash Avatar. You're so passe.

Haha...except it wasn't really "hip." It just made people look like cattle.

Then again, we aren't exactly the normal types on this forum.

 

[Mash]

Still trying to understand this movie.....

Went to it last nite......its the best movie of the year so far.

In the credits I think they had two different people playing each kid.....the daughter was played by two sisters that were two years apart.....(from what I read)......similar clothes...different ages?

They say if you listen closely you can hear the spin top stop and hit the table......I dont know ....have to see it again.

Hitting the water.....will wake you up from the first level......just like when they pushed him in the bath tub at the beginning of movie.

Didnt Saito touch and pick up that spinning top at one point in the movie? If so....could this all be Saito dreams?

 

[peplaw06]

I'm confused about the kicks as well. How it was initially shown was that if you're in level 1 dreaming, and thus concious in level 2, if you're kicked in level 1 you wake up from level 2 and wake in level 1.

At the end, they were giving themselves kicks in the same level they were in.

To be consistent, Adriadne should have left Limbo when the building fell out beneath her in the 3rd level, not when she jumped off the building, and they should have left level 3 when the elevator went. The van hitting the water (I'm not sure why falling from the bridge didn't work) should have brought them back to 1 (which I think did happen) and then they'd be stuck there for I believe it was a week? Unless the flight attendant woke them.

The kick in level 3 would have appeared to Adriadne as if she were dying in limbo. So the kick and the fall were two separate depictions of the same thing. And I don't know if they actually said this or not, it may have just been my assumption. But I was thinking you couldn't be kicked more than one level at a time. So Adriadne has to be kicked in level 3 before the van kick would work in level 1.

I'm still thinking through it all.

Great movie BTW.

 

[CoCo]

I wasn't even considering going to see this movie til this thread appeared. Now I'm anxious to see it.

However, I wonder if I might not just wait til it comes to video since I am obviously going to have to see it multiple times.

From the discussion this reminds me of the Denzel Washington movie Deja Vu which I watched multiple times trying to figure out how many times he went back in time. Only this thread seem like it's 10 x Deja Vu in terms of trying to figure it out. I love this kind of movie.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I wasn't even considering going to see this movie til this thread appeared. Now I'm anxious to see it.

However, I wonder if I might not just wait til it comes to video since I am obviously going to have to see it multiple times.

From the discussion this reminds me of the Denzel Washington movie Deja Vu which I watched multiple times trying to figure out how many times he went back in time. Only this thread seem like it's 10 x Deja Vu in terms of trying to figure it out. I love this kind of movie.

IMO it would be a mistake to wait for it to come out on video for several reasons.

First and foremost, it's worth the money to see it now. For that reason alone, you won't be sorry. Then there is the enjoyment in just discussing the film with others.

As for when it comes out on DVD/BluRay, it's a first day released purchase.

 

[casmith07]

The kick in level 3 would have appeared to Adriadne as if she were dying in limbo. So the kick and the fall were two separate depictions of the same thing. And I don't know if they actually said this or not, it may have just been my assumption. But I was thinking you couldn't be kicked more than one level at a time. So Adriadne has to be kicked in level 3 before the van kick would work in level 1.

I'm still thinking through it all.

Great movie BTW.

Looking back on it, the feeling of falling or the "kick" wakes you up in your current state. So I think they actually messed it up. There was no reason to set charges in the hospital at the end unless they were doing that to destroy the "vault" that held Fisher's deepest thoughts and secrets.

The elevator kick was supposed to wake them up in the elevator, and immediately after they'd be subsequently woken up in the van by the van hitting the water.

Either way it was a great movie. Makes me wish that we could all dream share and control lucid dreaming.

An interesting thought on the ending of the movie. I think this kind of nails it.

When Cobb has to “wake” again in Limbo, his mind is muddled just like old man Saito’s brain. Through Saito’s memory of Cobb’s totem and some shared dialogue that included key trigger phrases – “Leap of faith,” “Old man full of regret, waiting to die alone,” etc. – Cobb and Saito are able to remember the meaningful conversations they had and that there is a reality they existed in before Limbo, where both of them had deep desires still waiting to be fulfilled (Cobb and his kids, Saito and his business). Once they remember that limbo is limbo, they are able to wake themselves up (likely with a gunshot to the head).

http://screenrant.com/inception-spoilers-discussion-kofi-68330/

 

[peplaw06]

Looking back on it, the feeling of falling or the "kick" wakes you up in your current state. So I think they actually messed it up. There was no reason to set charges in the hospital at the end unless they were doing that to destroy the "vault" that held Fisher's deepest thoughts and secrets.

The elevator kick was supposed to wake them up in the elevator, and immediately after they'd be subsequently woken up in the van by the van hitting the water.

Either way it was a great movie. Makes me wish that we could all dream share and control lucid dreaming.

An interesting thought on the ending of the movie. I think this kind of nails it.

I thought the "kick" was the means to wake someone up from the next level... From the beginning scene, they had to "kick" Leo into the bathtub to wake him up from the dream. Then you saw the water coming gushing into the building where Leo was. The water's not the kick, the tipping him over in reality was.

So the elevator "kick" (the charges set in the elevator) was to wake the dreamers up from the snow scene. And the charges on Fischer's vault were to wake up Adriadne from Limbo. The Limbo kick was different because apparently they had to do a simultaneous kick from Limbo.

There really wasn't a kick from the van level into real life. I think they just let the sedative wear off.

 

[theogt]

I would assume that falling can wake you up (1) from the level of conciousness in which you perceive you are falling and (2) the immediately lower level of consciousness.

This may or may not have been explained in the movie, but we all know (in the "real world") that if you are falling in a dream you tend to wake up from the dream, even if your body is unmoved.

I think I'm going to have to draw a diagram to figure out what happened in the movie.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Some good questions and answers here:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ince...hin-The-Dream-19615.html?loc=interstitialskip

And someone noticing the detail about Cobb only wearing his wedding ring when he's dreaming and how he's not wearing it at the end makes it worth the read alone.

 

[Hoofbite]

Some good questions and answers here:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ince...hin-The-Dream-19615.html?loc=interstitialskip

And someone noticing the detail about Cobb only wearing his wedding ring when he's dreaming and how he's not wearing it at the end makes it worth the read alone.

Some of those ideas are more confusing than anything.

 

[theogt]

Some of those ideas are more confusing than anything.

Many of them are just wrong.

 

[mldardy]

This interview might be of some interest. It is an interview with Dileep Rao , who played Yusuf the chemist in the movie. He sort of answers some questions that we all have about the movie.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/07/inceptions_dileep_rao_answers.html

 

[TheCount]

I thought he made it back in the end, but maybe I'm just the optimistic type.

One thing I found interesting, was a dreamer given extra ability in their dreams? It seemed like all the dreamers had some uncanny ability to avoid harm while kicking ***. Is Eames an expert marksmen in real life? Is Arthur so extremely well skilled as a fighter? It seemed almost Matrix-esque in that way.

 

[rkell87]

didn't read anything from the links but here is my question/theory....


when leo meets the chemist and they go in the basement and explain about the guys that cant dream anymore and want their dreams to be their reality, leo says show me what you got(or whatever) and goes into the dream then he wakes up freaked out and goes to the bathroom and spins his top but saito(i think) comes in and startles him and leo hits the top and picks it up.....

so really we never see the top fall then and everything from then on could be him still in a dream.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree with everyone else, it was a very good movie .

Also, I thought the Soundtrack was perfect for the movie.

 

[DallasEast]

I agree with everyone else, it was a very good movie .

Also, I thought the Soundtrack was perfect for the movie.

That is also becoming another staple of Christopher Nolan's. He makes sure that he has one of Hollywood's best providing music and scores for his movies. Hans Zimmer's work has always been as great as it is has been diverse.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

That is also becoming another staple of Christopher Nolan's. He makes sure that he has one of Hollywood's best providing music and scores for his movies. Hans Zimmer's work has always been as great as it is has been diverse.

Towards the end of the movie, I looked up who directed this film on the iPhone IMDB app and afterwards, checked out all of Christopher Nolan's films and was pretty surprised by all the extremely good movies he has directed.