Inception

[rkell87]

First off I assume you mean Fisher, not Ritcher, cause I have no idea who Ritcher is.

They never go into the Lawyer's dream. He is only a component of their attempt to manipulate Fisher Jr. so they can convince him the lawyer is betraying him to try and get into the safe. Eames mimics him in the dream.

The dream levels are as follows:
Van Level - Yusuf
Hotel Level - Arthur
Snow Level - Eames
Limbo - Cobb/Shared

That's 4 levels, not 3.

Also time doesn't go slower the deeper you get in, it goes faster, exponentially so. Hence 10 seconds in Yusuf's dream turning into 20 minutes in Arthur's dream.

The leap of faith had nothing to do with them entering the dream, the danger of Limbo wasn't present until they were already in the dream and Saito got shot so there was no danger of anyone forgetting anything.

In Limbo, they have a conversation similar to that earlier conversation which is what reminds Saito of his promise when he wakes up.

i thought they had 5 levels,

van
hotel
snow

then cobb and ariadne go down a level to save fisher from mal. then fisher goes down another level/limbo to get saito.

thats 5 and leo doesnt age that much cause cause he wasnt there that long but saito had been there for a few minutes from a previous level which is why he aged so much.

or am i crazy?

 

[theogt]

i thought they had 5 levels,

van
hotel
snow

then cobb and ariadne go down a level to save fisher from mal. then fisher goes down another level/limbo to get saito.

thats 5 and leo doesnt age that much cause cause he wasnt there that long but saito had been there for a few minutes from a previous level which is why he aged so much.

or am i crazy?

No, you're exactly right.

 

[Kevinicus]

No, the Cobb/Saito is still the 4th level, they don't go down deeper than that. Ariadne, Fischer, Cobb, and Saito were all in Limbo.

The aging part is correct though.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Anyone ever wonder if you had it in you to make a movie?

Ive gotten like 10 minutes into the script in my head and give up. Meanwhile Nolans pumping out this, the Dark Knight, Batman Begins was good, and Memento like its nothing

 

[rkell87]

No, the Cobb/Saito is still the 4th level, they don't go down deeper than that. Ariadne, Fischer, Cobb, and Saito were all in Limbo.

The aging part is correct though.

then how come cobb wakes up on the shore again when he goes to get saito?

 

[rkell87]

Anyone ever wonder if you had it in you to make a movie?

Ive gotten like 10 minutes into the script in my head and give up. Meanwhile Nolans pumping out this, the Dark Knight, Batman Begins was good, and Memento like its nothing

creativity is not my strength, i know this, i would have no shot at coming up with a good movie.

 

[Kevinicus]

then how come cobb wakes up on the shore again when he goes to get saito?

He had to cross an ocean to get to where Saito was maybe, I dunno. They were in Limbo already.

 

[TheCount]

i thought they had 5 levels,

van
hotel
snow

then cobb and ariadne go down a level to save fisher from mal. then fisher goes down another level/limbo to get saito.

thats 5 and leo doesnt age that much cause cause he wasnt there that long but saito had been there for a few minutes from a previous level which is why he aged so much.

or am i crazy?

You may be right, but I would consider it 5 only if you considered "reality" a level.

As Ariadne explains pretty clearly before they go in, they are going into Limbo after Fisher Jr. She says it's worth a shot and Cobb agrees.

And since Limbo is shared, Saito was already there, maybe just in a different section. It also explains why Fisher Jr would end up there as well, he was killed.

I assume there are different "sections" of limbo where the dreamer creates his own reality and Cobb had to somehow end up on Saito's version of Limbo to get him.

I believe the age difference has to do with the fact that Saito dies before they ever go into Limbo, so he's been there longer.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Could you imagine reading this stuff w/o seeing the movie?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

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[theogt]

 

[rkell87]

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well that clears things up(kinda)

but it still doesnt explain how cobb washes up on shore again after ariadne and fisher fall off the building

 

[Kevinicus]

It also reads that the van hitting the water kicks them up a level which it does not. And honestly that is my biggest problem with an otherwise great film, the flawed workings of the kicks.

 

[kmp77]

well that clears things up(kinda)

but it still doesnt explain how cobb washes up on shore again after ariadne and fisher fall off the building

Isn't that him just waking up in limbo since he died that far in?

 

[rkell87]

Isn't that him just waking up in limbo since he died that far in?

if you die in limbo you just go into limbo again? that doesnt make a whole lot of sense

 

[CowboysNumeroUno]

Anyone ever wonder if you had it in you to make a movie?

Ive gotten like 10 minutes into the script in my head and give up. Meanwhile Nolans pumping out this, the Dark Knight, Batman Begins was good, and Memento like its nothing

you should check out The Prestige.

 

[TheCount]

It also reads that the van hitting the water kicks them up a level which it does not. And honestly that is my biggest problem with an otherwise great film, the flawed workings of the kicks.

It doesn't? I thought they woke up in the van and swam to safety after it went under?

To be honest, I don't even remember Cobb washing up ashore in relation to finding Saito, maybe I do need to see it again afterall.

Dying in Limbo shouldn't send you back to Limbo, unless the sedative is still in full effect, it should wake you up or at least kick you up a level.

 

[Kevinicus]

It doesn't? I thought they woke up in the van and swam to safety after it went under?

To be honest, I don't even remember Cobb washing up ashore in relation to finding Saito, maybe I do need to see it again afterall.

Dying in Limbo shouldn't send you back to Limbo, unless the sedative is still in full effect, it should wake you up or at least kick you up a level.

No, falling off the building in Limbo sent them to the snow fortress, the fortress falling sends them back to the hotel, and the elevator sends them back to the van, hitting the water never sends them anywhere since they have to swim to shore and at some point (after a week?) they wake up on the plane.

As far as I can tell, the only purpose the van served was as a way to signal down the levels when they needed to start kicking back up (to sync them).

 

[rkell87]

It doesn't? I thought they woke up in the van and swam to safety after it went under?

To be honest, I don't even remember Cobb washing up ashore in relation to finding Saito, maybe I do need to see it again afterall.

Dying in Limbo shouldn't send you back to Limbo, unless the sedative is still in full effect, it should wake you up or at least kick you up a level.

they did, but cobb didnt ride the kick back up so i guess he dies in level 1 cause they didnt get him out of the van then he wakes up on shore to get saito.

but i contest that if he was already in limbo when saving fisher from mal, why would he go into limbo again to get saito?

i think level 4 is the world cobb built with mal therefore they are in cobbs dream and not limbo, then when he misses the kick he dies(drowns) in level 1 sending him to limbo/level 5 to get saito

 

[peplaw06]

No, falling off the building in Limbo sent them to the snow fortress, the fortress falling sends them back to the hotel, and the elevator sends them back to the van, hitting the water never sends them anywhere since they have to swim to shore and at some point (after a week?) they wake up on the plane.

As far as I can tell, the only purpose the van served was as a way to signal down the levels when they needed to start kicking back up (to sync them).

I think I've already posted this in this thread, but I don't think you're seeking the kicks quite like they're actually working.

The kick doesn't send you up a level. The kick brings you back from a lower level. The van kick woke up the ones dreaming in the Hotel level.

They explained that in the very beginning of the film. When Leo was dreaming and not coming out, and the mob is coming down the street, they had to wake him up from the dream, and they used throwing Leo's chair into the bathtub. The water flooding the building where Saito's safe was is just the mind's projection of the water from the actual kick.

There was no kick in "Reality" to wake them up from the Van level. The sedative just wore off naturally, waking them up.