Interesting Jason Campbell factoid...

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FCBarca;1776900 said:
Nailing JC for completion percentage doesn't necessarily tell you the whole story either, come on...What about dropped passes?

When a quarterback is plagued by a lot of dropped passes, he's often the root of the problem... Campbell is not real accurate, he doesn't hit his receivers in stride very often...

What about mediocre and overpaid receiving corps?...What about OLine?...A LOT of factors that can go into that.

Both true arguments, but at the same time, when you're emphasizing the short passing game the way the Skins do, a 60 per cent completion rate is not acceptable...
 

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silverbear;1778913 said:
Stats are a reflection of the play on the field, if you know how to use them properly... unfortunately for you, I do

LOL stats are very deceiving and in no way does it show the entire picture. So lets look at some 'stats'

JC has thrown 7 picks this year, your boy Romo threw 5....in one game Probably the worst half in QB history,11 in total with 22 more pass attempts.

JC has NEVER thrown more than 2 picks in a game, your boy Romo...

Does that make JC more accurate?

Your boy Romo has 629 career pass attempts to 24 INTs = 1 pick every 26 attempts

JC has 522 career pass attempts to 14 picks= 1 pick every 37 pass attempts

Doesn't that make Romo more turnover prone?

Know who has the 15th worst passer rating....Peyton Manning
14 QBs out there better than Peyton?

By know means would i ever usee stats to 'support' my argument because many times they're skewed.

And if its true that you've watched 90 % of Jason snaps in his career (yeah right) and you still say you dont see anything impressive at all only shows your hate for the 'deadskins'
 

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TOOMBS;1776816 said:
Like yeah because they don't keep stats for poise and everyone knows that is all that matters.

I was cracking myself up yesterday during the game. Everytime JC overthrew his receiver I said, "He musta put too much poise on that one!"

However, I'll say right now that, IMO, Campbell is not the problem. He's not winning the games right now, but he didn't give up 3 TDs on 3 consecutive receptions to Eldorado. He wasn't the reason the OL couldn't block, or Portis couldn't run, either.

If the Commanders stick with Campbell and start drafting some CBs, LBs, DLine, OLine and WRs, the Commanders might be a good team in half a dozen or so years.:eek:
 

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bjay1121;1776729 said:
LOL at you basing your opinion solely on stats, name 20 qbs better than JC right now
Really? Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, David Gerrard, Vince Young, Jeff Garcia, Marc Bulger, Jon Kitna, Derek Anderson, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, Brad Johnson (I said it).

I'd take any of the before mentioned before Jason Campbell but he might be better than the following:

Chad Pennington, Cleo Lemon, Joey Harrington, Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, Daunte Culpepper, David Kolb, Brady Quinn, Kellen Clemens, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Rex Grossman, Brian Griese, Mark Brunell, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Brooks, Trent Green.
 

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Ozzu;1779009 said:
You really should look up the rest of his articles. If you're ever wanting something negative on the Cowboys, he's the man to look for. I wouldn't say he's a hater, but he definitely leans that direction.

oh, i didnt know that lol. trust me i know how it is to have in city hater journalists
 

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bjay1121;1779013 said:
oh, i didnt know that lol. trust me i know how it is to have in city hater journalists

For what it's worth, I think Campbell looks good. If he keeps improving, he'll be a good one. It's all about improvement. It's not where he is right now that matters. It's where he'll be at the end of the year or next year.
 

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bjay1121;1778973 said:
LOL stats are very deceiving and in no way does it show the entire picture. So lets look at some 'stats'

JC has thrown 7 picks this year, your boy Romo threw 5....in one game Probably the worst half in QB history,11 in total with 22 more pass attempts.

JC has NEVER thrown more than 2 picks in a game, your boy Romo...

Does that make JC more accurate?

Nope, completion percentage would reflect accuracy, and that's all Romo...

In addition, I suggest you look at three things-- first, the yards per attempt average of both quarterbacks... those with a higher yards per attempt get there by throwing the ball downfield more than those who throw a lot of checkdowns and dumpoff passes...

Romo's career yards per attempt average is 8.7, Campbell's is 6.5... clearly, Romo took more downfield chances...

Then you look at the risk to reward ratio, i.e., the TDs to int ratio... Romo has 25 career ints, to 46 TD passes... that's 1.84 TD passes for every int thrown... Campbell has 21 TDs to 14 ints... that's 1.5 TD passes for every int thrown...

I'll live with some ints if my QB is also giving me a bunch of TD passes...

Finally, you ask yourself the question that shows you are a true statistician-- was Romo's 5 int game against the Bills what they call an ANOMALY?? Well, Romo had never thrown more than 3 ints in a game, and has not thrown more than 1 int in any other game this season... so, if you suspect that the Bills game is an anomaly, you then factor it out of the equation, and see what you have... suddenly, you have him putting up 20 ints in 611 pass attempts, 1 in every 30.6 attempts...

Your boy Romo has 629 career pass attempts to 24 INTs = 1 pick every 26 attempts

JC has 522 career pass attempts to 14 picks= 1 pick every 37 pass attempts

Doesn't that make Romo more turnover prone?

A bit, but not as much as you'd have us believe... not when you factor in the type of turnover known as FUMBLES... when you do that, Romo has 30 turnovers in 748 plays (passes, sacks, carries)... that's 1 in every 24.9 plays... Campbell has 20 turnovers in 597 plays... that's 1 in every 29.9 plays...

Of course, I have always held that the one thing Campbell has done most right is not give up a lot of turnovers... but part of that is reflected in the short passing offense the Skins employ to protect Jason...

And again, that's just one factor of quarterback play, and if my QB is scoring more, I'll put up with a few turnovers...

Know who has the 15th worst passer rating....Peyton Manning
14 QBs out there better than Peyton?

Well, he's no better than a top 10 QB this year... his QBR is distorted a bit by the abnormally high number of ints (for him) he's thrown... he also hasn't thrown all that many TD passes, or completed a high percentage of his passes...

But he does 8th in yards per game, the Colts rank 4th in scoring and 9th in passing offense... put all those stats together, and I'd say that Manning is, AT THIS TIME, one of the ten best QBs playing the game, but only barely...

The question is, is this the start of a decline in his play, or a one year aberration??

And if its true that you've watched 90 % of Jason snaps in his career (yeah right)

My nephew/roommate is a devout Skins fan, corrupted by his late daddy, my younger brother... when the Skins are on and the Cowboys aren't, we're watching the Skins... when both are on at the same time, we're watching the Boys, recording the Skins on another set back in my bedroom...

When I say 90 per cent of Jason's snaps, I'm factoring in one game last season where I had to attend a funeral, and me and the nephew clean forgot to set the DVD recorder...

and you still say you dont see anything impressive at all only shows your hate for the 'deadskins'

Well, you're distorting what I'm saying when you say I "don't see anything impressive at all", I've said all along that the one thing he's done well is not commit a lot of boneheaded mistakes...

But that IS the only thing I've seen him do consistently well... and it's the only thing YOU'VE seen him do consistently well, if you'll just take off those burgundy-tinted glasses for a second... you haven't seen him crank out a series of consistently good games, indeed in these last two games where he has shown some improvement, he's negated a lot of that with critical mistakes at the end...

I just don't hate the Skins the way you're telling yourself I do... maybe I did when I was 25, and George Allen was running the Over The Hill Gang, but it's next to impossible to hate Joe Gibbs... and the Skins haven't been good enough that I'm "afraid" of them, the real reason for any fan's "hatred"...

Nope, I'm just callin' 'em like I see 'em... and it should be noted that going into this season, I said the Skins would start out fast, by virtue of a soft easy schedule, then start to struggle at midseason... I said this would especially be true if they got bit by the injury bug, because they didn't have any depth as a result of Danny Boy's fondness for overpaying mediocre players in free agency... I predicted that the Skins would finish the season barely under .500 (7-9)...

Sure seems to be playing out that way, doesn't it?? The Skins are all banged up, but they started out 4-2, then they've gone 1-3 since then, their lone win an overtime game against a 2-8 team... given that they play 5 teams in their last 6 games with playoff aspirations, 7-9 looks better and better as a prediction (though I can see them splitting their remaining 6 games, finishing 8-8)...

For a "hater", I sure seem to have pegged how the Skins' season would go this year... LOL...

I have had similar "luck" predicting the Skins' fortunes in other recent seasons as well... indeed, for some bizarre reason I can do a better job of breaking down the Skins' roster each season better than I can my own Cowboys... I guess I can't keep the same objectivity when analyzing the Boys... :D
 

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bjay1121;1779005 said:
"Jason Campbell basically outplayed Tony Romo."

Now I dont agree with that but it's coming from a Dallas Paper

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/columnists/randy_galloway/story/309921.html

Randy Galloway is a card-carrying moron... he's always been a card-carrying moron, and he'll always be a card-carrying moron... he is perhaps the single most despised Metroplex Mediot out there on the assorted Cowboys message boards... he says stuff just to provoke a reaction...

Yeah, the quarterback who put up the lower quarterback rating, the lower yards per attempt rating and the lower TDs to ints "basically outplayed" the guy who had the better numbers right down the line... one guy needs 54 passes to gain 348 yards, the other needs 32 passes to gain 293...

Even Galloway couldn't keep his own BS straight, before claiming that Jason "basically outplayed" Tony, he'd said that Jason "almost outgunned the gunner"... in most corners of the English speaking world, "almost" means "not quite"...

So you basically have Galloway talkin' out of both sides of his mouth... again...
 

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Jason Campbell has all the physical tools and has steadily improved since he became a starter. He threw for 348 yards and three touches against our defense, and brought his team from 12 back in the fourth quarter, close enough to beating the Cowboys that I was seriously scared. I think anyone who wasn't dreading a 20-yard JC rope to Cooley in the endzone doesn't have a pulse.

Did he throw a pick that ended the threat? Yep, but it wasn't a terrible pass. TNew made a pretty good play. Has Campbell's rise been as meteoric as Romo's? No, but he's steadily improving, and playing better than a heck of a lot of QBs in the league. Would I trade Romo for him? Heeeeeeeeeell no! Not in a million years. But right now, I'd take Campbell over a good number of current NFL starters, including Vince Young.
 

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bjay1121;1776729 said:
LOL at you basing your opinion solely on stats, name 20 qbs better than JC right now

why name 20.....all I care about is Romo being better than JC, and he is.....JC is still at the base of Mount Everest, while Romo is halfway up already.

But just for the sake of argument.

  1. Brady
  2. Manning
  3. Favre
  4. Romo
  5. RuthlessBurger
  6. Brees
  7. Rivers
  8. Young
  9. Cutler
  10. Hasselbeck
  11. Warner
  12. Anderson
  13. Schaub
  14. Testaverde
  15. Delomme (spelling)
  16. Manning (Goober from NYG)
  17. McNabb
  18. Grossman
  19. Griese
  20. Kitna
  21. Garcia
  22. Culpepper
  23. Garrard
  24. Bulger
  25. Palmer
25 QBs I have named that are better than JC.....if you notice, there are backups listed on here too. I am sure I left a few off the list, but it's ok.
 

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VACowboy;1779231 said:
Jason Campbell has all the physical tools and has steadily improved since he became a starter. He threw for 348 yards and three touches against our defense, and brought his team from 12 back in the fourth quarter, close enough to beating the Cowboys that I was seriously scared. I think anyone who wasn't dreading a 20-yard JC rope to Cooley in the endzone doesn't have a pulse.
Two TDs, not three. He also had two turnovers (One INT and one fumble). The INT in fourth quarter was a bad decision and TNew made a play on it. That bad pass, throwing into crowd was all Campbell, period.
 

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VACowboy;1779231 said:
Jason Campbell has all the physical tools and has steadily improved since he became a starter. He threw for 348 yards and three touches against our defense, and brought his team from 12 back in the fourth quarter, close enough to beating the Cowboys that I was seriously scared. I think anyone who wasn't dreading a 20-yard JC rope to Cooley in the endzone doesn't have a pulse.

Did he throw a pick that ended the threat? Yep, but it wasn't a terrible pass. TNew made a pretty good play. Has Campbell's rise been as meteoric as Romo's? No, but he's steadily improving, and playing better than a heck of a lot of QBs in the league. Would I trade Romo for him? Heeeeeeeeeell no! Not in a million years. But right now, I'd take Campbell over a good number of current NFL starters, including Vince Young.


Give Cooley, Moss, and Randle El to Young, and the Titans would be rollin.......JC has by far the better offensive weapons, yet Vince seems to find ways to win...although this last week, both QBs threw costly INTs that killed their teams' chances for success.
 
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