Ireland to Interview with Parcells

[twa]

Anybody think Jim Garret stands a shot at replacing Ireland(If he goes)

Just throwing :insane: Ideas out there.

 

[Alexander]

Anybody think Jim Garret stands a shot at replacing Ireland(If he goes)

Just throwing :insane: Ideas out there.

I think Jim Garrett is retired.

 

[Dodger12]

1st off Ireland was brought in by Lacewell and he went to Jerry before he retired and told Jerry this is your guy BP did not hire him or promote him. 2nd I did not say BP was suffocating but he has taken this job to help turn around the Dolphins and his job is football operations and that will entail the draft the hires players and coaches and the FA's which is normally the job of the GM. All Jerry is saying is if this job is a promotion and Ireland will be the GM and take on the duties of GM then he evidently is willing to let that happen. However if all this is, is a job in name only then Jerry should fight it because you can't allow teams to raid your team for a false position that they may get down the line.

My post was in response to your point that "Ireland would just be Parcells puppet with no real GM powers." I don't think that would be the case and it doesn't sound like Ireland thinks that would be the case.

 

[Woods]

Anybody think Jim Garret stands a shot at replacing Ireland(If he goes)

Just throwing :insane: Ideas out there.

Maybe the guy who would replace Ireland, if he goes, is our current head of college recruiting? Last name begins with C, I think.

Maybe JJ is o.k. with this guy running the show?

 

[Doomsday101]

My post was in response to your point that "Ireland would just be Parcells puppet with no real GM powers." I don't think that would be the case and it doesn't sound like Ireland thinks that would be the case.

If BP plans on hiring Sparano as the HC before he even has a GM what would you call it? What job do you think BP is going to be doing, just watching the games in the expensive seats? You don't think BP is going to have the final say in FA's and draft picks? I just can't see BP taking this job and not having a heavy hand in these areas that are normally called the GM duties. Look I just don't want to see people leaving for made up positions if Ireland does end up with this job I wish him the best of luck but to call this a GM job is BS.

 

[Woods]

If BP plans on hiring Sparano as the HC before he even has a GM what would you call it? What job do you think BP is going to be doing, just watching the games in the expensive seats? You don't think BP is going to have the final say in FA's and draft picks? I just can't see BP taking this job and not having a heavy hand in these areas that are normally called the GM duties. Look I just don't want to see people leaving for made up positions if Ireland does end up with this job I wish him the best of luck but to call this a GM job is BS.

This is what I think as well.

I think behind the scenes BP is calling the big shots.

No, he's not calling the plays on the sidelines. No, he's not negotiating contracts. But I think anything of meaning that goes through that organization has his stamp of approval first.

I think BP's role and the GM's role in that organization are blurred.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is what I think as well.

I think behind the scenes BP is calling the big shots.

No, he's not calling the plays on the sidelines. No, he's not negotiating contracts. But I think anything of meaning that goes through that organization has his stamp of approval first.

I think BP's role and the GM's role in that organization are blurred.

And if that is the job Ireland wants I have no problem with that but if this is the case and this is not really a GM job then I think Dallas should be given compensation by the Dolphins and I think Jerry will fight for that. I doubt he would force any coach or memeber of the organization to stay aginst their will but I think if Miami is trying to pull the wool over on the Cowboys and league rules Jones should fight for what is right

 

[Dodger12]

Lacewell has been around the whole year, and was even before Parcells ever got back in the business. Jeff worked with him before, too -- Ireland has been around for years, you know. So I seriously doubt he's "theatened".

I'd assume you're referring to my post but I never said that Ireland would feel "threatened," but rather uncomfortable.

And you ask what I would do... What I wouldn't do is go work for a guy who had already mentored me for four years and got all the credit for everyone I drafted. I'd be looking forward to calling the shots here like I did this year, and starting my own legacy.

That's your spin. From the link posted by Alexander, it doesn't sound like Ireland feels that way at all and kind of viewed things just a little bit differently than you.

There's a lot of fabrication and speculation being passed as pure fact by the Parcells camp here, that's for sure.

I'm squarely in the Cowboy's camp and wouldn't give two licks about what BP would be doing in Miami, except that he's going to raid our team of some coaching and drafting talent.

By the way, what fabrication and speculation are you referring to?

 

[Alexander]

That's your spin. From the link posted by Alexander, it doesn't sound like Ireland feels that way at all and kind of viewed things just a little bit differently than you.

I really think some of the posters here should get together and somehow get word to Jeff Ireland that he has no idea what he is getting himself into and that he should flatly refuse the opportunity to interview as it would be the biggest mistake of his life.

 

[Dodger12]

If BP plans on hiring Sparano as the HC before he even has a GM what would you call it? What job do you think BP is going to be doing, just watching the games in the expensive seats? You don't think BP is going to have the final say in FA's and draft picks? I just can't see BP taking this job and not having a heavy hand in these areas that are normally called the GM duties. Look I just don't want to see people leaving for made up positions if Ireland does end up with this job I wish him the best of luck but to call this a GM job is BS.

Dooms, you'll get absolutely no argument from me on your point. I just don't think that Ireland, or the NFL for that matter, will see things the way you do. We're just speculating that Ireland will have a minimal role in the decision making process and clinging to that hope so he doesn't get hired. If Ireland really thought he'd be a GM in name only or a puppet, I think he'd be smart enough to turn the job down.

 

[fortdick]

Wow, the Cowboys are losing all the real talent evaluators and are going to be left with only Jerry and noone to show him the light again like before Parcells and after Jimmy and his team left.

Don't worry, EDuncan is there for Jerry to rely on.

 

[Doomsday101]

I really think some of the posters here should get together and somehow get word to Jeff Ireland that he has no idea what he is getting himself into and that he should flatly refuse the opportunity to interview as it would be the biggest mistake of his life.

Ireland can do what he wants my issue is more with the Dolphins trying to sale a bill of goods that is BS. Call it GM if you want but if the BP is running football operation then you are just being silly to think BP will not have the final say which is normally the job of the GM on every team out there. As for mistake people make them all the time. Could this be a mistake for Ireland maybe, maybe not but in the end it will be Parcells who will be credited for any turn around the Dolphins make not Ireland at least not in the eyes of the media or Dolphin faithful. He will be in the shadows of BP and if that sit fine with Ireland then great.

 

[Dodger12]

I really think some of the posters here should get together and somehow get word to Jeff Ireland that he has no idea what he is getting himself into and that he should flatly refuse the opportunity to interview as it would be the biggest mistake of his life.

I agree, but Jeff Ireland is obviously a country bumpkin from Texas and just wouldn't understand...........

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, you'll get absolutely no argument from me on your point. I just don't think that Ireland, or the NFL for that matter, will see things the way you do. We're just speculating that Ireland will have a minimal role in the decision making process and clinging to that hope so he doesn't get hired. If Ireland really thought he'd be a GM in name only or a puppet, I think he'd be smart enough to turn the job down.

Why people in the NFL will jump at certain jobs and end up regretting it later it happens quite often. Ireland will end up in the shadow of BP you think anyone is going to think wow what a great job Ireland did turning the dolphins around hell no the media and dolphin fans damn well know who is running the ship, he may have Ireland at his side but in the end it is BP who will grab the headlines and the credit and rightfully so because BP is not going to take a job that he does not have control. If that is the job Ireland wants great but don't kid yourself to think people do not take jobs in the NFL that don't pan out like they thought it would.

 

[Dodger12]

....Could this be a mistake for Ireland maybe, maybe not but in the end it will be Parcells who will be credited for any turn around the Dolphins make not Ireland at least not in the eyes of the media or Dolphin faithful. He will be in the shadows of BP and if that sit fine with Ireland then great.

I agree, but what choice does the man have? He'll be in Jerry's shadow here as well. I think it's silly for people to not view this as a promotion for Ireland with a long term potential for something more. Professionally, it's the right move for him unless he felt he had more of a future in Dallas, which we all know he doesn't.

Maybe the guy would just rather work for Parcell's than Jerry and that's just too much for some people to swallow.

But your point is taken and, in the end, I hope that there's some futility to BP's attempt to hire Ireland and that Ireland, at the very least, would stick around until after the draft. If not, then I hope Jerry can get some sort of compensation.

 

[baj1dallas]

All of our top football guys - Ireland, Sparano, and possibly Garrett - are leaving. We'll be left with Jones and Wade Phillips.

Everyone can pretend otherwise, but this is nothing short of disastrous. We'll be back in the toilet inside of 2 years.

come on now deadskins' fans are present. cowboy up and hold yourself together!

 

[Alexander]

Ireland will end up in the shadow of BP you think anyone is going to think wow what a great job Ireland did turning the dolphins around hell no the media and dolphin fans damn well know who is running the ship, he may have Ireland at his side but in the end it is BP who will grab the headlines and the credit and rightfully so because BP is not going to take a job that he does not have control. If that is the job Ireland wants great but don't kid yourself to think people do not take jobs in the NFL that don't pan out like they thought it would.

Once again, I am amazed that some posters on a message board can extrapolate and make projections better than the people actually having to make the decisions.

Do you think for one second that maybe Jeff doesn't care about who gets credit or really how the media or fans perceive things? Has it really not occurred to anyone here that Jeff might know exactly how it would be working under Bill Parcells? Did he not do it for four years?

Coach Parcells said it a long time ago:

You don't know.

And you especially don't right now.

 

[Nors]

Why people in the NFL will jump at certain jobs and end up regretting it later it happens quite often. Ireland will end up in the shadow of BP you think anyone is going to think wow what a great job Ireland did turning the dolphins around hell no the media and dolphin fans damn well know who is running the ship, he may have Ireland at his side but in the end it is BP who will grab the headlines and the credit and rightfully so because BP is not going to take a job that he does not have control. If that is the job Ireland wants great but don't kid yourself to think people do not take jobs in the NFL that don't pan out like they thought it would.

Pioli gets a lot of cred working for BB. In a twisted way it's potentially the same relationship BP and Ireland would have.

It's all wink, wink on final say. I can see Parcells structuring it verbally that you have final say on players. But we mutually agree if we don't agree that we pass on said player. Forces a consensus and good debates to decisions Ireland makes.

What is lost here is the man is going to get a mega promotion and $. When he is in a career dead end personell job. JJ's exact words on his job here.

 

[Seven]

God save the Queen...............

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree, but what choice does the man have? He'll be in Jerry's shadow here as well. I think it's silly for people to not view this as a promotion for Ireland with a long term potential for something more. Professionally, it's the right move for him unless he felt he had more of a future in Dallas, which we all know he doesn't.

Maybe the guy would just rather work for Parcell's than Jerry and that's just too much for some people to swallow.

But your point is taken and, in the end, I hope that there's some futility to BP's attempt to hire Ireland and that Ireland, at the very least, would stick around until after the draft. If not, then I hope Jerry can get some sort of compensation.

My concern is only that Dallas be compensated if this is not a GM job and I'm not blind and understand that if BP is in charge of the football operations then he is doing the job of the GM. If it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it is a duck no matter how you want to spin it. Dolphins are selling a bill of goods that is not legit and Jones will call them on it if it is not. Anyways got to go. Take care