Ireland to Interview with Parcells

[twa]

Guy writing the story doesn't even understand Dallas only had Ireland contractually on a lateral move.

GM is a promotion and can't be blocked.

True, but Jerry can force it to be a true GM(with full powers) and delay his exit till after the draft.....Just as he already said he would do.


Unless compensation is made naturally.

 

[Doomsday101]

It still wouldn't solve the problem that everyone apparently isn't acknowledging.

Jerry Jones will always be the decision maker.

Ireland wants the opportunity:

"No doubt, this was my ambition," Ireland said. "I learned what this job entails at a very young age. I grew up in it. This type of job was something I always aspired to."

He would not get this type of chance in Dallas no matter how much we all imagine that he would.

I agree but he will not get the GM job and the duties of the GM in Miami because no matter how they spin it BP is taking that role.

Jones also has heard the speculation that former Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells, the Miami Dolphins' new vice president of football operations, might be interested in hiring Cowboys scouting director Jeff Ireland as his general manager.

Jones, who also holds the GM title in Dallas, said the NFL rules are very specific about front-office hiring procedure if Ireland indeed becomes a candidate.

"If someone has a chance to advance to a real general manager's role - and it's underlined and highlighted - it means it just can't be a title," Jones said. "Ultimately his next job now has got to be making all the decisions about the players, the draft and everything else for an existing executive to get to be interviewed for a higher position."

Jones said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell must confirm whether a candidate would indeed assume total personnel authority. Jones also has pointed out any such moves in the personnel department can not take place until after the draft.

 

[Alexander]

I agree but he will not get the GM job and the duties of the GM in Miami because no matter how they spin it BP is taking that role.

Even if you are right (which I do not believe you are), in a worst case scenario he would have the full duties and authority once Parcells leaves in four years.

This is an opportunity for him and Ireland obviously sees it differently than you do. He is excited.

"If someone has a chance to advance to a real general manager's role - and it's underlined and highlighted - it means it just can't be a title," Jones said. "Ultimately his next job now has got to be making all the decisions about the players, the draft and everything else for an existing executive to get to be interviewed for a higher position."

Jones said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell must confirm whether a candidate would indeed assume total personnel authority. Jones also has pointed out any such moves in the personnel department can not take place until after the draft.

This is up to Jones to fight.

The contract Parcells signed has specific language in it that can legally stand up to scrutiny.

I am not counting on winning this battle either.

 

[theogt]

"No doubt, this was my ambition," Ireland said. "I learned what this job entails at a very young age. I grew up in it. This type of job was something I always aspired to."

Where is this quote from?

 

[Doomsday101]

Even if you are right (which I do not believe you are), in a worst case scenario he would have the full duties and authority once Parcells leaves in four years.

This is an opportunity for him and Ireland obviously sees it differently than you do. He is excited.



This is up to Jones to fight.

The contract Parcells signed has specific language in it that can legally stand up to scrutiny.

I am not counting on winning this battle either.

Right now Ireland has not taken the job so I don't think this is a given and he is under contract with the Cowboys so being given the GM job 4 years from now is not going to cut it and I do think Jones would fight that with the league office.

 

[theogt]

This is up to Jones to fight.

The contract Parcells signed has specific language in it that can legally stand up to scrutiny.

I am not counting on winning this battle either.

Parcells' contract gives him final say power. The idea that it doesn't is a complete fabrication. If Jerry lets him go, it's because he's willing to let him go regardless of the rule.

 

[AbeBeta]

Dallas needs to get compensated if Ireland leaves. Dallas has been paying this guy to do their scouting all season, now he is going to take that info with him to the Dolphins. Jerry needs to take the Dolphins to the mat on this one.

I guess Parcell's secret code doesnt apply to him.

How is this ANY different than any other front office hire in the league? Are you suggesting that anyone involved with a team's draft can't accept a job with another team b/c they've been paid all year to scout for their present team? I would expect that there have been tons of hires just like this one that took place before the draft.

And I've never seen a single one compensated.

 

[AbeBeta]

Parcells' contract gives him final say power. The idea that it doesn't is a complete fabrication. If Jerry lets him go, it's because he's willing to let him go regardless of the rule.

As is apparently the idea that Ireland isn't interested in the job.

 

[theogt]

As is apparently the idea that Ireland isn't interested in the job.

Who said he wasn't interested?

 

[Dodger12]

Parcells' contract gives him final say power. The idea that it doesn't is a complete fabrication. If Jerry lets him go, it's because he's willing to let him go regardless of the rule.

Only by your inperpretation. you're hung up on the "oversees" language of Parcell's contract and how it's inperpreted. All anyone has to do is give Ireland a contract and specify "final say" and the NFL would never block the hire.

 

[theogt]

Only by your inperpretation. you're hung up on the "oversees" language of Parcell's contract and how it's inperpreted. All anyone has to do is give Ireland a contract and specify "final say" and the NFL would never block the hire.

Yeah, I'm hung up on the unambiguous, literal language of the contract. Funny, that's how contract law works.

 

[AbeBeta]

Who said he wasn't interested?

You did.

Too much Scotch giving you blackouts? Yeah, I get those too.

I think it's all moot because I doubt that Ireland would leave to go to Miami on his own free will anyway.

 

[theogt]

You did.

Too much Scotch giving you blackouts? Yeah, I get those too.

Having a hard time reading? I said I "doubt" he is. Obviously I don't know whether he is interested or not.

 

[Nors]

Parcells' contract gives him final say power. The idea that it doesn't is a complete fabrication. If Jerry lets him go, it's because he's willing to let him go regardless of the rule.

Wrong, he his head of football operations to oversee all football functions. Help build the organization and report to the Owner. BP is too smart to not have this legally all sniffed out. He said he doesn't want the GM job.

Ireland is gone with no compensation and after season due to promotion. Not draft ala a lateral move.

 

[theogt]

Wrong, he his head of football operations to oversee all football operations. Help build the organization and report to the Owner. BP is too smart to not have this legally all sniffed out. He said he doesn't want the GM job.

Ireland is gone with no compensation and after season due to promotion. Not draft ala a lateral move.

Will you please follow him and Parcells? I'll even find a few message boards for you. I could set you up a nice Cleo Lemon avatar too.

 

[AbeBeta]

Having a hard time reading? I said I "doubt" he is. Obviously I don't know whether he is interested or not.

Kinda sounds like he is.

How do you think the contract language comes into play now that Jerry has granted permission for Ireland to interview? I doubt he'd handicap the guy by saying he can't join the Fins until after the draft.

 

[Doomsday101]

Only by your inperpretation. you're hung up on the "oversees" language of Parcell's contract and how it's inperpreted. All anyone has to do is give Ireland a contract and specify "final say" and the NFL would never block the hire.

So then Ireland would just be Parcells puppet with no real GM powers. I don't think Jerry would go to the league office if Ireland was actually given the GM job and all the job entails I do think he will fight it if this is nothing more than a shame

 

[theogt]

Kinda sounds like he is.

How do you think the contract language comes into play now that Jerry has granted permission for Ireland to interview? I doubt he'd handicap the guy by saying he can't join the Fins until after the draft.

Not sure. There are obviously a lot of moving parts going on here. I don't think Jerry thinks he'd be a "real" GM in Miami (there's a quote floating around on this), but he might let him go anyway on a few conditions.

 

[AbeBeta]

So then Ireland would just be Parcells puppet with no real GM powers. I don't think Jerry would go to the league office if Ireland was actually given the GM job and all the job entails I do think he will fight it if this is nothing more than a shame

Again, I think if the Fins have obtained permission that you aren't going to see any fight. Ireland may not have final say power but he'll have about as much power as most non-owner GMs do in this league.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Will you please follow him and Parcells? I'll even find a few message boards for you. I could set you up a nice Cleo Lemon avatar too.

Count me in on the committee if you need any help.

It's not too hard to see why some posters get banned over and over.