Ireland to Interview with Parcells

[Dodger12]

Yeah, I'm hung up on the unambiguous, literal language of the contract. Funny, that's how contract law works.

Wasn't it you in previous posts that made reference to the ambiguity of Parcell's contract? Now it's "literal." Contracts are questioned all the time, that's (unfortunately) why we have lawyers, arbitrators and civil courts. Funny, that's how civil law works.

 

[iceberg]

Count me in on the committee if you need any help.

It's not too hard to see why some posters get banned over and over.

some posters require more patience than others, it's true.

and yes, i'm likely one of 'em. : )

 

[theogt]

Again, I think if the Fins have obtained permission that you aren't going to see any fight. Ireland may not have final say power but he'll have about as much power as most non-owner GMs do in this league.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. He may or may not let him go, but I don't think the fact that he let him interview says much one way or the other.

Wasn't it you in previous posts that made reference to the ambiguity of Parcell's contract? Now it's "literal." Contracts are questioned all the time, that's (unfortunately) why we have lawyers, arbitrators and civil courts. Funny, that's how civil law works.

No, you must be confused.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Naw, you're all right, ice.

But some posters seemingly can't wait for Jerry to screw this thing up. I guess this year has been rough on those who insist he's nothing but a bumbling power-mad idiot.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again, I think if the Fins have obtained permission that you aren't going to see any fight. Ireland may not have final say power but he'll have about as much power as most non-owner GMs do in this league.

I'm going by what Jerry said himself. Yes he gave permission for Ireland to interview for the GM job then he goes on to say that it must be the GM job not in name only but in the job that it entails. This is not me saying it, it is Jerry Jones who said it.

 

[Duane]

Ireland could be using this as leverage to get more money and responsibility in Dallas as well.

 

[iceberg]

Naw, you're all right, ice.

But some posters seemingly can't wait for Jerry to screw this thing up. I guess this year has been rough on those who insist he's nothing but a bumbling power-mad idiot.

trust me - i annoy my fair share.

jerry may screw it up. i know damn well i would. so would just about everyone dogging on jones. if not the 'oh so easy' players to get it would be the $ on the other end.

he bought the team and hating how he runs it isn't going to change a thing. but it sure does get to be a to those who hate it and the same to those of us who realize it but have to listen to it all the time.

 

[Alexander]

Parcells' contract gives him final say power. The idea that it doesn't is a complete fabrication.

I will take Peter King's rendition into account rather than yours.

I think he got it more from the horse's mouth, so to speak:

"That's not the way it is. We set it up so the general manager I hire will have that authority. I want to make it clear: I don't want to be the general manager. I don't want to be the head coach. I told Wayne that very clearly. I don't think it will be an issue.''

A few minutes later, Parcells called back. "You got me thinking,'' he said, "so I got my contract out. I wanted to be sure about the wording.''

Then he read me the wording of what he said were the applicable clauses in the contract. "'As Executive Vice President of Football Operations,'" Parcells read, "'employee shall be responsible for overseeing the club's football operations. Employee shall act as club designee for purpose of [executing] contracts with head coach and general manager.'"

Said Parcells: "So what I am is the owner's designee. My job is to hire a coach, hire a GM and put a structure in place for them to operate.''

The issue here is whether or not that language is vague enough to legally stand up to a challenge.

 

[Alexander]

Ireland could be using this as leverage to get more money and responsibility in Dallas as well.

He could try, but he would fail.

He probably could get more money, but Mister Jones will not make him the General Manager.

 

[iceberg]

He could try, but he would fail.

He probably could get more money, but Mister Jones will not make him the General Manager.

nope. that's why i'm glad jones won't try to stop him from advancing his career if that's what he wants. if we want top minds in here we have to respect them as well.

all said, it's popcorn time in the forums.

 

[Nors]

He could try, but he would fail.

He probably could get more money, but Mister Jones will not make him the General Manager.

Agree, and the word is JJ will NEVER make him the GM.

Ireland gets to be GM for Miami for a few years mentored by BP and he knows BP will burn out at age 66 again and he has it all.

 

[Alexander]

nope. that's why i'm glad jones won't try to stop him from advancing his career if that's what he wants. if we want top minds in here we have to respect them as well.

You have a slight point in that Jones is doing the right thing, but if I am an up and coming personnel type with designs on one day being a GM, I don't know if I would take a job in Dallas. It will always be a dead-end position.

 

[Dodger12]

So then Ireland would just be Parcells puppet with no real GM powers. I don't think Jerry would go to the league office if Ireland was actually given the GM job and all the job entails I do think he will fight it if this is nothing more than a shame

Why does eveyone think that BP is so suffocating that no one can work with him, yet people seem to follow him wherever he goes? Why can't Ireland be offered as contract with "final say" language or is he just a country hick who can't see what you believe and would rather be a puppet?

If you were Ireland...what would you do? Lacewell gets fired, you take his job and when BP leaves Dallas, Lacewell is given an office at Valley Ranch. Might that not be a bit uncomfortable bumping into a guy whom you unceremoniously replaced?

Jerry can fight tooth and nail and I hope he does, but the NFL would never back Jerry in this instance (just my opinion). And for Jerry to take the issue to the league would mean that Ireland was offered the job and did not turn it down. That would just make things uncomfortable having a guy as your VP of personnel who wanted to leave with his predessessor down the hall.

You know, I'm resigned to the fact that we're going to lose quality people, especially Sporano. I also believe that JG will stay because he's loyal to Jerry to some extent and he sees a future in Dallas, much like Ireland may see a future with the Dolphins when BP steps down (again, just my opinion). But when the issue of Ireland being promoted came up, Jerry could have given Ireland the warm and fuzzies, just like he's done with Wade, JG, and TO about his importance to this franchise and it's future. But he made it sound like Ireland was a JAG in personnel and can't leave until after the draft.

I just wish that Ireland would come out and publically turn the job down and I'm a little surprised that no one from the Dallas media has asked him for a comment, ala JG, who gave a luke warm response to the possibility of him getting a HC job and stated that he's concentrating on the task at hand. Classy response for anyone that might not have read it.

 

[AbeBeta]

nope. that's why i'm glad jones won't try to stop him from advancing his career if that's what he wants. if we want top minds in here we have to respect them as well.

Word. Good post.

 

[Alexander]

Why does eveyone think that BP is so suffocating that no one can work with him, yet people seem to follow him wherever he goes? Why can't Ireland be offered as contract with "final say" language or is he just a country hick who can't see what you believe and would rather be a puppet?

Ireland is extremely excited for the opportunity and has said so.

But yet, some still believe he is just some fool who is wandering into the pits of hell.

If you were Ireland...what would you do? Lacewell gets fired, you take his job and when BP leaves Dallas, Lacewell is given an office at Valley Ranch. Might that not be a bit uncomfortable bumping into a guy whom you unceremoniously replaced?

But when the issue of Ireland being promoted came up, Jerry could have given Ireland the warm and fuzzies, just like he's done with Wade, JG, and TO about his importance to this franchise and it's future. But he made it sound like Ireland was a JAG in personnel and can't leave until after the draft.

I wouldn't say he was calling him another face in the crowd, but he certainly didn't show any signs of being concerned. That is a bit troubling.

I just wish that Ireland would come out and publically turn the job down and I'm a little surprised that no one from the Dallas media has asked him for a comment, ala JG, who gave a luke warm response to the possibility of him getting a HC job and stated that he's concentrating on the task at hand. Classy response for anyone that might not have read it.

He has had comments to make to the Miami media.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2007/12/31/1231Ireland.html

He sounds very excited and eager.

That doesn't sound like a person going to be henpecked.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why does eveyone think that BP is so suffocating that no one can work with him, yet people seem to follow him wherever he goes? Why can't Ireland be offered as contract with "final say" language or is he just a country hick who can't see what you believe and would rather be a puppet?

If you were Ireland...what would you do? Lacewell gets fired, you take his job and when BP leaves Dallas, Lacewell is given an office at Valley Ranch. Might that not be a bit uncomfortable bumping into a guy whom you unceremoniously replaced?

Jerry can fight tooth and nail and I hope he does, but the NFL would never back Jerry in this instance (just my opinion). And for Jerry to take the issue to the league would mean that Ireland was offered the job and did not turn it down. That would just make things uncomfortable having a guy as your VP of personnel who wanted to leave with his predessessor down the hall.

You know, I'm resigned to the fact that we're going to lose quality people, especially Sporano. I also believe that JG will stay because he's loyal to Jerry to some extent and he sees a future in Dallas, much like Ireland may see a future with the Dolphins when BP steps down (again, just my opinion). But when the issue of Ireland being promoted came up, Jerry could have given Ireland the warm and fuzzies, just like he's done with Wade, JG, and TO about his importance to this franchise and it's future. But he made it sound like Ireland was a JAG in personnel and can't leave until after the draft.

I just wish that Ireland would come out and publically turn the job down and I'm a little surprised that no one from the Dallas media has asked him for a comment, ala JG, who gave a luke warm response to the possibility of him getting a HC job and stated that he's concentrating on the task at hand. Classy response for anyone that might not have read it.

1st off Ireland was brought in by Lacewell and he went to Jerry before he retired and told Jerry this is your guy BP did not hire him or promote him. 2nd I did not say BP was suffocating but he has taken this job to help turn around the Dolphins and his job is football operations and that will entail the draft the hires players and coaches and the FA's which is normally the job of the GM. All Jerry is saying is if this job is a promotion and Ireland will be the GM and take on the duties of GM then he evidently is willing to let that happen. However if all this is, is a job in name only then Jerry should fight it because you can't allow teams to raid your team for a false position that they may get down the line.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Lacewell has been around the whole year, and was even before Parcells ever got back in the business. Jeff worked with him before, too -- Ireland has been around for years, you know. So I seriously doubt he's "theatened".

And you ask what I would do... What I wouldn't do is go work for a guy who had already mentored me for four years and got all the credit for everyone I drafted. I'd be looking forward to calling the shots here like I did this year, and starting my own legacy.

Now if the job in Miami paid a ton more, sure. But I doubt Jerry wouldn't give him a big raise if he needed it.

There's a lot of fabrication and speculation being passed as pure fact by the Parcells camp here, that's for sure.

 

[Alexander]

There's a lot of fabrication and speculation being passed as pure fact by the Parcells camp here, that's for sure.

"If I'm chosen to be there and to work with Bill, anybody in their right mind would jump at such a major opportunity. I've been reading about this for the past week and a half. To have something finally come to fruition gets you excited."

Sounds like a person who has a problem with Bill Parcells "taking credit" for the players he drafted.

 

[Doomsday101]

"If I'm chosen to be there and to work with Bill, anybody in their right mind would jump at such a major opportunity. I've been reading about this for the past week and a half. To have something finally come to fruition gets you excited."

Sounds like a person who has a problem with Bill Parcells "taking credit" for the players he drafted.

I don't think Jerry has a problem with Ireland getting the GM job as long as it is the GM job. But you got BP wanting to hire Saprano shouldn't that be the job of the GM? If not then what is this job really if it does not have the GM powers behind it? If this is not a job in name only then yes Jerry should go to the league office and at least be compensated by the Dolphins after all would we allow coaches to be taken from us and put into lesser or equal jobs because maybe in the future they will get the real job? I do think Jerry has the right to protect his team in cases like this where is it pretty obviouse that the GM job appears to be in name only.

 

[baj1dallas]

Espn.com had a comment in the weekly roundup, that Jones might let Ireland walk if he agrees not to take too many scouts with him. That could be the agreement.

that's what I think will happen. I think it's good for Ireland and fair wrt Garret so Jerry really can't do anything to keep him. Doesn't go for the entire department though, I think they keep everybody else but Ireland.