Irvin on The Fan

[khiladi]

I would love to see what Bruce Arians would do with the talent we have on offense.

All I needed to know about Arians is when I saw him line Fitzgerald to the left in the backfield, right behind the left tackle. I think they knew blitz and Fitz just ran a little flare route straight up the left middle uncovered and got major yardage. I smh and was like man, how do we not do that?

 

[JBell]

The funny thing about this Arians praise is that Steelers fans were sick of him his last couple of seasons and felt that he was too predictable.

Now with Arizona he's looked at as some offensive guru.

In the end, it's all about executing.

Doesn't matter what plays you call when your QB is Brandon Weeden.

 

[khiladi]

Because no body blitzed us all season like Washington and AZ did. When the QB is getting pressured immediately , you need to find ways to get your receivers open quick. You can't wait all day for your receivers to get open.

Which is a testimony to Romo and his ability to keep plays alive. It's also one of the reasons it appears that it's his fault when they lose. Well guess what, when you count on him to win games via that route, don't get upset when he 'chokes'.... It's way too much pressure..

 

[jrumann59]

The tendency to be predictable and overly simplistic has long been a criticism of Garrett; however, if you'll recall, Jimmy Johnson employed very simple offensive and defensive systems. If you get the talent right, simple systems are ideal for winning at any time and place regardless of circumstance. Offenses that are more systemic in nature fall victim to being figured out, and once that happens, they are virtually useless.

Having said that, I agree with Michael that there are certain things Garrett could do to make life easier on his quarterbacks.

That and its hard to plug in guys during the season because of injury or in the off-season to replenish departed talent. Yes you want football players that are smart and can digest the playbook but you also have to have guys that can digest and feel comfortable.

 

[Zman5]

The funny thing about this Arians praise is that Steelers fans were sick of him his last couple of seasons and felt that he was too predictable.

Now with Arizona he's looked at as some offensive guru.

In the end, it's all about executing.

Doesn't matter what plays you call when your QB is Brandon Weeden.

Irvin wast talking about last two weeks. Not just this game.

 

[ConstantReboot]

All I needed to know about Arians is when I saw him line Fitzgerald to the left in the backfield, right behind the left tackle. I think they knew blitz and Fitz just ran a little flare route straight up the left middle uncovered and got major yardage. I smh and was like man, how do we not do that?

I would love to have Bruce Arians as coach. He's calls are unpredictable. Like that 3rd and short play where they faked running the ball up the middle to their fullback and pitched it outside to Ellington. That was simply awesome. If we ran that play with Murray on 4th down we would have gotten it.

 

[Wood]

Irvin was on the the Fan just now and said it's mind boggling to him why we don't use certain WR sets and formations to beat the blitz and help the receivers to get open quicker.

He said we should use bunch formation and more rub routes to help the receivers get off the line when CBs are allowed to play aggressively against our receivers.

He mentioned AZ doing this all the time to help their receivers get open and it's almost impossible to cover Dez if we employee more of these types of formations.

He also said that we don't have a "system that beats a system" type of offense like Bruce Arians and Chip Kelly has but more of "man beating man" type of offense.

This is why he feels EaGirls can let go of D. Jackson and the "system" will still function well but we need to sign Dez for the long term since we don't have a "system". I thought that was interesting take.

I believe him and hearing it explained that way I tend to think 'system' is just as effective and whole lot cheaper. So where is Garrett system? He is just as smart as Kelly.

 

[xvendettax914]

The funny thing about this Arians praise is that Steelers fans were sick of him his last couple of seasons and felt that he was too predictable.

Now with Arizona he's looked at as some offensive guru.

In the end, it's all about executing.

Doesn't matter what plays you call when your QB is Brandon Weeden.

Took the words right outta my mouth. It ends here.

 

[khiladi]

I believe him and hearing it explained that way I tend to think 'system' is just as effective and whole lot cheaper. So where is Garrett system? He is just as smart as Kelly.

Based upon what would you garner that Garrett is just as smart as Kelly?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

jason garrett. how many years are we going to say these things about his offense.

how ever many he is coaching in dallas

 

[Zman5]

I believe him and hearing it explained that way I tend to think 'system' is just as effective and whole lot cheaper. So where is Garrett system? He is just as smart as Kelly.

Yeh you figure a guy with an Ivy league degree can come up with a system by now. He's been here since 2007 with the same QB.
This Romo friendly crap offense has gotten Romo multiple major injuries.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Irvin was on the the Fan just now and said it's mind boggling to him why we don't use certain WR sets and formations to beat the blitz and help the receivers to get open quicker.

He said we should use bunch formation and more rub routes to help the receivers get off the line when CBs are allowed to play aggressively against our receivers.

He mentioned AZ doing this all the time to help their receivers get open and it's almost impossible to cover Dez if we employee more of these types of formations.

He also said that we don't have a "system that beats a system" type of offense like Bruce Arians and Chip Kelly has but more of "man beating man" type of offense.

This is why he feels EaGirls can let go of D. Jackson and the "system" will still function well but we need to sign Dez for the long term since we don't have a "system". I thought that was interesting take.

Now aint that some stuff. Ive been told for years that my eyes deceive me and that I just cant see whats being built here, and now over 4 years into the Process we still dont have a system?

I think my optometrist has been right all along, my eyes are just fine.

 

[Zman5]

The funny thing about this Arians praise is that Steelers fans were sick of him his last couple of seasons and felt that he was too predictable.

Now with Arizona he's looked at as some offensive guru.

In the end, it's all about executing.

Doesn't matter what plays you call when your QB is Brandon Weeden.

If it's all about executing, how do explain Peyton Manning's performance against Bellicheat's teams. Manning has passer rating that is 20 points less against Bellicheats team than his career average. Do you think Manning just happen to forget how to execute when playing against the Patriots?

Romo doesn't play well against Haslett. It's been like that since Haslett's been the Deadskins DC. And you can't tell me because the talent on Washington's defense was on par of better than the talent on our offense.

Sometime the scheme will trump talent level and prevent the better talent from executing.

 

[ConstantReboot]

All I needed to know about Arians is when I saw him line Fitzgerald to the left in the backfield, right behind the left tackle. I think they knew blitz and Fitz just ran a little flare route straight up the left middle uncovered and got major yardage. I smh and was like man, how do we not do that?

Its so simple and yet we don't do it. I think our coaches on offense need to watch film themselves. They need to look at how Denver run their offense with those pick plays and how teams beat the blitz. It will help your QB out in the long run.

 

[Wood]

Let me say I don't fully agree with Irvin. What he is trying to say is Arizona & Philly offensive players are 'plug n play'. You can also make the case that Dallas RB could be same behind that offensive line. So in a sense Dallas is hybrid of 'system' in running game combined with 'man' in receiving game.

 

[noshame]

IMO that's one of the issues I have with these exotic offenses, these guys design them to their personal specs and won't deviate much. Good Lord, I could have designed some simple plays that even Weeden could have had some success with. For goodness sake, Landry used to design stuff at the half.

 

[BAZ]

IMO that's one of the issues I have with these exotic offenses, these guys design them to their personal specs and won't deviate much. Good Lord, I could have designed some simple plays that even Weeden could have had some success with. For goodness sake, Landry used to design stuff at the half.

He wasn't relying on Weeden to execute them.

 

[gimmesix]

Irvin was on the the Fan just now and said it's mind boggling to him why we don't use certain WR sets and formations to beat the blitz and help the receivers to get open quicker.

He said we should use bunch formation and more rub routes to help the receivers get off the line when CBs are allowed to play aggressively against our receivers.

He mentioned AZ doing this all the time to help their receivers get open and it's almost impossible to cover Dez if we employee more of these types of formations.

He also said that we don't have a "system that beats a system" type of offense like Bruce Arians and Chip Kelly has but more of "man beating man" type of offense.

This is why he feels EaGirls can let go of D. Jackson and the "system" will still function well but we need to sign Dez for the long term since we don't have a "system". I thought that was interesting take.

I don't disagree with him. I've never really understood our desire to just line up man vs. man instead of employing more subterfuge ... other than the fact that Witten runs the worst "rubs' in the league.

I haven't questioned Linehan much since I've liked his balance this season, but he has not done a good job of taking advantage of aggressive defenses these past two weeks with plays that expose that aggression. Of course, it would have been different Sunday if he'd had a decent QB. There were open receivers, but Dallas didn't have a QB who could hit them.

 

[Brooksey]

HE IS 100% RIGHT! I jus said in another thread that it is NOT the gameplan. It is the structure of our passing game. Our WRs went up against CBs that were just as big as they were...and the struggled to get seperation. Our passing game makes it EXTREMELY difficult on our QBs...our OL.....AND our WRs. To get guys wide open we have to have the run game working...so we can go with play action. When our run game is not working...our ENTIRE team/scheme/players can be exposed.

I mean...are we the ONLY team that cannot run a pick play? Because it is run on us ALL the time!!!!!!!!!! The great Tom Brady and Peyton Manning...they utilize it ALL the time.

You want to know how PREDICTABLE our passing game is....EVERY time the ball was directed Dez way...there were 3 Cardinals within a 3 yard radius.

A lot of the big plays we make in the passing game is Romo improvising when a play breaks down. This is NOTHING new...this has been the case for years!

Just like against the Skins, for some reason on 3rd and short we are sending everyone on intermediate routes of 10+ yards...weird.

Where is the one step drop and pass package?

This is one way Escobar, Beasley and Dunbar could be more involved.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Just like against the Skins, for some reason on 3rd and short we are sending everyone on intermediate routes of 10+ yards...weird.

Where is the one step drop and pass package?

This is one way Escobar, Beasley and Dunbar could be more involved.

Beasley was open OFTEN. The best QBs.....Manning and Brady...have feasted on using the smallish WRs in the middle of the field to move the chains. I was at a sports bar and I angered some of my friends by suggesting "something might be going on". I know Dez and Weeden both went to OSU. I know Dez is in the middle of contract negotiations and his "numbers" have not been great. But all I know is they were 0 for 10 at one point targeting Dez...and every time the ball went his way...there were 3 Cardinal defenders within a 3 yard radius on Dez. In fact....if you paid keen attention to the Rams game...our passing game did not get going until Witten yelled at Romo or the sidelines (can't remember) to essentially "look for someone else" as opposed to "forcing" the ball to Dez