Irvin thinks Cowboys should sign Hardy to long term deal

[SportsGuru80]

The man is special... People don't realize how big he is and can move that fast... Freakish.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Sorry. Makes no sense.

I agree that Hardy should be re-signed or extended. Gregory is about 2 years away if all things play out. His body needs about 20-30lbs. Even with two more of years of training, there's no guarantee that he will ever become a all pro. What's that saying: a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. You have what all teams covet: all pro DE why would you toss it away? If it's value or cap space, DEs, QBs, and LTs get paid.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah and I was at the San Fran game where he displayed his stuff in OT!...lol

Was that the game where Holley scored a TD and then celebrated for about 10 minutes.

 

[DogFace]

You're still thinking like a fan. This stuff does hurt the company in acquiring new customers. It may not matter for fans like you and me; we will follow the Cowboys regardless. But do you know how many young people get introduced to football every year? Do you think a young person today who doesn't live in the metroplex would want to follow the Cowboys based on their PR this past year? There are a lot of people out there who care about domestic violence and violence against women, and all they're going to hear about the Cowboys is negative crap from the media. Why would a new fan to football want to associate themselves with that?

Front office people care about these things in this new age, and I guarantee you it affects personnel decisions. If that means cutting a player who gets involved in another domestic violence situation, then they will. The Bears just did it with Ray McDonald, but no one cared because he was on a cheap contract. But what happens if this same thing occurs after we give Hardy a huge guarantee? Are you willing to risk the future of the Cowboys on Hardy's mental capacity? For me, no. Not right now. Way too big of a risk. Hardy can't even give a normal interview to help this team out.

First of all to compare Hardy with McDonald is unfair to the idea of comparisons. There isn't a comparison. McDonald is a repeat offender who was charged with a felony of false imprisonment to go along with his domestic violence charges. Look into the Hardy case a little before you make your assumptions based on the little information you've heard from a media slanted to error on the side of the alleged victim. The nfl has reinforced this narrative after the McDonald and Rice fiascos. There is reasonable doubt what was said to have happened occurred the way the accuser said. Listen the 911 call. Hardy was clearly not the aggressor during this time as he was literally begging the police to come as she yelled and broke items in his house in the background.

Second of all neither of us are risking anything. That is really elevating us fans to a status that doesn't exist in real life. Furthermore Dallas isn't risking anything because Hardy is no risk and even if he proved to be people would get over it. In case you're too young to remember in the 90's there was PLENTY of bad press surrounding the team that involved criminal charges. We are the most popular team and the most valuable franchise in American sports. There were, I assume, many of your "young people being introduced to the game following the 90's.

To be kind you're being naive and elevating yourself to some level of importance that just isn't there. Also, I believe you know very little about what happened I the Hardy case. I don't either. I do go by the mantra of innocent until proven guilty. I think that's what most reasonable people do. You know what they say about assuming.

 

[Jarv]

Was that the game where Holley scored a TD and then celebrated for about 10 minutes.

Nope, that's the game Romo broke his ribs...I was right above the Cowboys bench in the old 49'ers park, he literally kicked a bucket full of water he was so pissed. Romo later came back in late in the game and drove us down for the tying FG...

Then this happened in OT.

 

[USMarineVet]

The Kraken needs to be submerged and imprisoned in the Gulf of Mexico during the off-season, until he is once again unleashed in Arlington in '16.

 

[remdak]

Was that the game where Holley scored a TD and then celebrated for about 10 minutes.

Holley didn't score a TD. He caught a long pass from Romo and got caught from behind because he was too slow to score. He started celebrating a little before the goal line and nearly fumbled when he was tackled. Cowboys kicked a FG after this play to win in OT.

 

[Jarv]

Nope, that's the game Romo broke his ribs...I was right above the Cowboys bench in the old 49'ers park, he literally kicked a bucket full of water he was so pissed. Romo later came back in late in the game and drove us down for the tying FG...

Then this happened in OT.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-...91/Week-2-Can-t-Miss-Play-Romo-deep-to-Holley

 

[Stryker44]

What makes him so hard to block especially when he's out of shape after being out of the league 2 years?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Hardy is a franchise player. If he demonstrates he can keep his nose clean, this is a no brainer.

Without question.

 

[Slashar00]

First of all to compare Hardy with McDonald is unfair to the idea of comparisons. There isn't a comparison. McDonald is a repeat offender who was charged with a felony of false imprisonment to go along with his domestic violence charges. Look into the Hardy case a little before you make your assumptions based on the little information you've heard from a media slanted to error on the side of the alleged victim. The nfl has reinforced this narrative after the McDonald and Rice fiascos. There is reasonable doubt what was said to have happened occurred the way the accuser said. Listen the 911 call. Hardy was clearly not the aggressor during this time as he was literally begging the police to come as she yelled and broke items in his house in the background.

Second of all neither of us are risking anything. That is really elevating us fans to a status that doesn't exist in real life. Furthermore Dallas isn't risking anything because Hardy is no risk and even if he proved to be people would get over it. In case you're too young to remember in the 90's there was PLENTY of bad press surrounding the team that involved criminal charges. We are the most popular team and the most valuable franchise in American sports. There were, I assume, many of your "young people being introduced to the game following the 90's.

To be kind you're being naive and elevating yourself to some level of importance that just isn't there. Also, I believe you know very little about what happened I the Hardy case. I don't either. I do go by the mantra of innocent until proven guilty. I think that's what most reasonable people do. You know what they say about assuming.

This is a different time and era, not the 90's. Anyone, including Irvin, could tell you that. Before Ray Rice, the maximum suspension for domestic violence was 2 games. The new proposed rule is six games for first time offenders. Lifetime ban for second time offenders. I don't know where Hardy stands on that because he allegedly committed his crime before the proposal, but I'm sure the NFL would try to ban him for life if he got accused again.

As for McDonald, he wasn't a repeat offender until he was a repeat offender. I am aware of the Hardy case, and I'm keeping an open mind about it. However, I'm a Cowboys fan, so I took the time to read up on it, hoping to find out he was innocent. I'm terribly biased. When he was with the Panthers, I couldn't care less if he was innocent, guilty or if he played another down of football. What matters is the overall public perception. If Hardy gets accused again, whether guilty or innocent, he will become a liability for the Cowboys and potentially a huge hit on cap space if we sign him to a long term deal. And right now, I don't trust Hardy to keep himself out of bad situations.

Also, you don't need to state the obvious that neither of us are risking anything. The original debate is whether or not we should sign Hardy to a long term deal. As fans, we talk about what the team should do even though none of us actually matter. Perhaps we should end all threads talking about contracts, drafts, and player evaluations because we are not "important enough" to have an opinion. I am merely stating my opinion, and I never once called another member here "naive" for disagreeing with me because that would mean that I'm "elevating" myself and "assuming" things about other people. I think we should all behave that way.

 

[burmafrd]

It all comes down to figuring out if Hardy is a loose canon or just an oddball. Oddballs are OK. Loose canon sink ships. If they decide he is just an oddball then Jerruh will bust the cap to keep him if he can continue to cause the havoc he did against Brady. Brady was actually worrying about Hardy and that is about as rare as it gets. We meet in the SB and that will be on his mind and it could make the difference.

And this time we actually have some other people that can apply pressure which is very rare for the Boys in the last 20 years. Outside of the half season that Spencer was really a factor and 2007 we never really had more than one serious pass rusher. If you have two- you can more than double the pressure on the QB. Look at Denver with Ware and Von Miller. Multiple serious pass rushers are very rare. Remember it was the Giants Pass Rush that won them their SBs.

 

[speedkilz88]

Didn't Jesse Holley win Irvin's reality show?

Anyone who watched that show knows that Andrew Hawkins was the one who should have won. 166 receptions later he's still in the league.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I think Hardy did more in one game than Suh has done so far in Miami through their first 4 games.

 

[cowboys2233]

I agree that Hardy should be re-signed or extended. Gregory is about 2 years away if all things play out. His body needs about 20-30lbs. Even with two more of years of training, there's no guarantee that he will ever become a all pro. What's that saying: a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. You have what all teams covet: all pro DE why would you toss it away? If it's value or cap space, DEs, QBs, and LTs get paid.

Agreed. He is a unique talent -- could totally be the Charles Haley of this team. On a side note, Gregory is NOT two years away from anything. He will be a force when he comes back, he'll be a force next year and for many years to come. The only caveats are that he stays out of trouble and injury free -- if that's the case, you can put him down for All-Pro status (eventually, not this year), and you can write that in ink. On another side note, Irvin is going to be an absolute beast for this team as well.

Don't look now but we have the making of the best offensive AND defensive line in the league. And that might be as early as next year.

 

[khiladi]

Playmaker has a firm grasp of talent when he sees it.

Even my grandmother who never watched football in her life could tell from the grave Hardy is a beast...

 

[khiladi]

If Hardy goes into next season as a free agent, every team will come knocking at his door and everybody will suddenly forget his 'past incident'...

 

[burmafrd]

If Hardy goes into next season as a free agent, every team will come knocking at his door and everybody will suddenly forget his 'past incident'...

pretty much. Its why he will be on a team and Ray Rice will not be. This is a bottom line world despite all the PR BS.

 

[Nightman]

If DAL can afford BCarr they can afford GHardy. Take the money wasted on Carr and give it to Hardy. Done and done.

 

[DogFace]

This is a different time and era, not the 90's. Anyone, including Irvin, could tell you that. Before Ray Rice, the maximum suspension for domestic violence was 2 games. The new proposed rule is six games for first time offenders. Lifetime ban for second time offenders. I don't know where Hardy stands on that because he allegedly committed his crime before the proposal, but I'm sure the NFL would try to ban him for life if he got accused again.

As for McDonald, he wasn't a repeat offender until he was a repeat offender. I am aware of the Hardy case, and I'm keeping an open mind about it. However, I'm a Cowboys fan, so I took the time to read up on it, hoping to find out he was innocent. I'm terribly biased. When he was with the Panthers, I couldn't care less if he was innocent, guilty or if he played another down of football. What matters is the overall public perception. If Hardy gets accused again, whether guilty or innocent, he will become a liability for the Cowboys and potentially a huge hit on cap space if we sign him to a long term deal. And right now, I don't trust Hardy to keep himself out of bad situations.

Also, you don't need to state the obvious that neither of us are risking anything. The original debate is whether or not we should sign Hardy to a long term deal. As fans, we talk about what the team should do even though none of us actually matter. Perhaps we should end all threads talking about contracts, drafts, and player evaluations because we are not "important enough" to have an opinion. I am merely stating my opinion, and I never once called another member here "naive" for disagreeing with me because that would mean that I'm "elevating" myself and "assuming" things about other people. I think we should all behave that way.

You Said you didn't want to risk signing Hardy. I was supposed to interpret that as its obvious you aren't risking anything? Of course this is all about opinion. I feel yours is wrong. As stated he's had one incident. Do you think anyone who's had an incident with the law in which he was not convicted should not be allowed to work for the team you root for? There's ample doubt that he was solely at fault. Based on that I think the risk is low for the Cowboys. Your public relations fears are overblown.

As for the you being shaken by me saying you were naive about the situation. How would you like me to nicely say it? I believe you're wrong. And by starting your reply by telling me how I was seeing it as a fan and not like a PR executive I was somehow wrong is essentially saying I was being naive. No?

Bottom line he's worth whatever risk you perceive and I think we sing him despite your worries.