Is Bledsoe going into the HOF in his first year of eligibility like Moon?

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Fouts - 43,040 58.8% 7.7 YPA 254 td 242 Int 95% ratio Int/Td

Moon - 49,325 58.4% 7.2 YPA 291 td 233 Int 80%

Bledsoe - 43,447 57.3% 6.6 YPA 244 td 198 Int 81%



Fouts 3-4 posteseason
Moon 3-7 posteseason
Bledsoe 4-3 postseason 2-0 AFC Champ game

I'd also like to point out that Dan Fouts had tremendous offensive weapons to work with, and also ran a wide open pass happy offense. Put Bledstud in a chargers uniform during those days and he would have been putting up 5000 yards a season given the circumstances.

 

[iceberg]

I'd also like to point out that Dan Fouts had tremendous offensive weapons to work with, and also ran a wide open pass happy offense. Put Bledstud in a chargers uniform during those days and he would have been putting up 5000 yards a season given the circumstances.

i'd like to point out the VAST MAJORITY OF POSTERS IN HERE are tired of the bledsoe forcefeeding on such a constant basis, but i don't think you give a damn about us, just drew.

 

[kartr]

I think we can finally put the 'Bledsoe being a HOF QB' debate to rest after today's announcement of Warren Moon being inducted into the HOF in his FIRST year of eligability. Love him or hate him, Studsoe most certainly is Canton bound with his gaudy resume.

Now here's why...some key Warren Moon facts and figures:

1) 3-7 career playoff records(sub .500)....Bledsoe is already better in wins with 4(or 5 if you count the 01' AFC Championship)

2) ZERO superbowl appearances....again Bledsoe is better, 2 SB's, 1 Ring(even though it came with him riding the pine)

3) Moon the true definition of a journeyman: 5 years in the CFL, Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks and Chief.....Drew has played for Pats, Bills and now Cowboys

4) 49,325 Career Passing Yards (51,061 including rushing)....Drew is already at 43,447 and should surpass Moon's total easily in 07' barring injury.

5) 291 Career Passing TD's (313 Total including rushing)....Drew is at 244 right now and has never been a passing TD machine. He will at the very least match Moon's total. He's 47 away right now.

6) 9 probowls....beats Drew in this category, but we all know the pro bowl is nothing more than a popularity contest and pretty much meaningless stat.....Mike Vick anybody?

7) 6823 Attempts with 3988 Completions....Studsoe is right behind him in both categories with 6548 attempts and 3749 completions as of TODAY.

Moon had a stellar NFL career and is rightfully deserving of this honor. But many doubters and purists thought that not having a superbowl ring would be the reason Moon wouldn't get in.....not only did he get in, he did it on the FIRST try. No matter what anybody says and even though he didn't win it as a starter.....Drew has that elusive ring on his finger.

Also keep in mind right now Drew is 7th on the all time passer list, and he's primed to pass Testeverde and Tarketon next season. Assuming Brett Favre retires this offseason, Bledstudsoe may even end up #2 all time behind Marino.....and yes I believe he has an OUTSIDE chance of catching Marino if he plays well into his late 30's. But honestly who cares about that if he can win a title or two and ride of into the sunset.

So what do you Bledsoe Bashers have to say now? Especially knowing the HOF caters to the QB position more than anything else? Still want to debate Drew's alleged mediorce career? Or would you like to debate whether he goes into the hall as a Patriot, Bill or Cowboy?

He still sucks and will never get us to a super bowl. He also played on much better teams. Bledsoe's running backs are ahem, Curtis Martin,Willis McGahee/Travis Henry and Julius Jones/Marion Barber. Who was Moon's feature back? Moon played for an organiztion that never went to the super bowl, while the Pats,Buffalo and Dallas all had rich superbowl histories before Bledsoe even got there.

 

[kartr]

Excellent point - Moon was the losing QB in the biggest CHOKE in NFL playoff history!


That accomplishment aside,
Other than the color of their skins - very similar QB's.
Whoever wants to play that card - put Doug Williams in. He was the guy who changed the game there.

Moon didn't choke, his defense did. As for Williams, he threw four tds in a single quarter and won the MVP after being injured and he won the game. What has Bledsoe done in the playoffs that's so good?

 

[kartr]

Whether we like it or not, race does matter, especially when it comes to black quarterbacks.

The reason why?

Historically up until recently, blacks were considered too dumb to be quarterbacks. They were rerouted to other positions. This mentality impacted the game of football because black athletes never really had the opportunity to become black quarterbacks. And that was not just a matter of talent or intelligence. It was a systematic belief among NFL coaches, scouts, coordinators, etc.

In that context, here is Warren Moon, a Rose Bowl MVP, who was never given a chance to become a quarterback right out of college on anyone's roster. The system that believed blacks could not be NFL starting QBs didn't give him a chance to compete or start, even though he had the college credentials.

He goes to the CFL, plays five years and then returns to the NFL. And regardless of the offense he played in, he threw for 49,325 putting him fourth in all-time passing yards behind Marino, Elway and Favre (all either in or will be in the Hall of Fame). Marino never won a Super Bowl so the fact that Moon never made it to one isn't a strike against him considering where he is on the passing list.

That's why Moon was considered for the Hall of Fame. The NFL's history of discriminating against blacks at the quarterback position is PART of its legacy.

That should be a consideration in the overall scheme of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, that an African American, despite the obstacles, makes it back into the NFL and then becomes the fourth ranked quarterback in passing yards.

Race is a part of American history, whether we like it or not because the legacy of the past still has repercussions on the presence and the future.

Comparing Bledsoe and Moon doesn't take this into consideration. Furthermore, Bledsoe has really not distinguished himself from his contemporaries. His contemporaries being Tom Brady, Brett Favre, John Elway, Troy Aikman, etc.

He's a compiler of stats, but where has he really stood out, aside from leading the Pats to an AFC Championship victory, which is a feather in his cap?

He'll need another Super Bowl victory and possibly a legendary play absent two Super Bowl victories before he gets the call to the Hall.

Great post. And I think that explains why some here want Brady Quinn,Matt Leinart, Brodie Croyle, Drew Olsen,but not Vince Young or Omar Jacobs. That also explains why Cutler has now surpassed Jacobs in ranking even though Jacobs is more accurate, a better decision-maker and put up great numbers against Wiscons and OU with a supporting cast of udfa. Jacobs is clearly more polished, yet less well thought of.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

YAWN!

very insightful, or whatever that twerp skinfan would say to me

 

[kartr]

So you think he is a HOFer because he was an african american QB. I don't really know what else to say.

That's crazy, he's not saying that at all. Moon was the 'star' of his team, while Curtis Martin and McGahee/Henry were the 'stars' of their teams. I have no doubt that Julius Jones will be a big star here as soon as we fix the OL. Fixing the Ol will only affect Bledsoe marginally, cause he'll hold the ball and get sacked and then fumble to boot. Next year, if we fix the OL, Bledsoe will undoubtedly be unmasked as the fraud he is, cause then there will be no more excuses.

 

[kartr]

again for the totally brain dead among you

Bledsoe career attempts 6548
Vinny career attempts 6526

Bled career comp 3749
VT 3691

Bled % 57.3
VT 56.6

Bled yrds 43447
VT 45252

bled ypa 6.64
VT 6.93

They are the same guy do you put Vinny in also

you want more

TD's

Bled 244
VT 269

Sacks/yrds lost

Bled 451/3028
VT 408/2946

Fumb/lost

Bled 120/48
VT 114/33

Vinny crushes him just about everywhere and Bledsoe threw more times... I swear some of you guys need to get off your knees and close your mouth and wipe your chin...this is getting ridiculous...

VT stats

Bled stats

Bravo! Bravo! and more Bravo! That was just beautiful.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

He still sucks and will never get us to a super bowl. He also played on much better teams. Bledsoe's running backs are ahem, Curtis Martin,Willis McGahee/Travis Henry and Julius Jones/Marion Barber. Who was Moon's feature back? Moon played for an organiztion that never went to the super bowl, while the Pats,Buffalo and Dallas all had rich superbowl histories before Bledsoe even got there.

He played on ONE, possibly TWO better teams than he did this year in Dallas...the 96' and 97' Pats. To go even deeper, who knows if this team was really that good at all considering Bledstud carried it on his shoulders the whole season.

Curtis Martin is the only good back that Drew played with, and he left after their superbowl year before he was even in his prime. I won't even bother listing all the scrubs Drew played with in new England after Martin left because it's irrelevant. He was already on the bench behind Tom Brady by the time a consistent running game was in NE again, and Antwain Smith is overrated as well.

As far as Buffalo, is it any coincidence that Travis Henry had a good year when Bledsoe came to buffalo in 02'? Then Tom Donablow traded him for an overrated and overhyped RB (Mcgahee). Need more proof that Drew made him look better too? What was the bills record this year? How many more yards did mcgahee have without Drew there to carry the offense? A whopping 80 yards more, so much for the mcgahee hype about being a 2000 yard rusher like so many other bills fans thought.

Now on to Big D, Julius has the potential to be GREAT, but he didn't do that this year. He had one great game in Carolina, but last time I checked Drew threw for the winning score in that one so the 200 yards don't mean much to me. Barber has outstanding potential as well, but he was only a rookie this year and needs to up his game. The bottom lin is that Drew was supposed to be a 'game manager' here in Dallas while the offense was RUN ORIENTED, that plan backfired obviously with injuries and inconsistency and Drew was the ENTIRE offense for all intensive purposes.

Moon didn't have many big names at running back either, at least in his prime in Houston....but neither did Drew, so the point your trying to make is meaningless.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Moon didn't choke, his defense did. As for Williams, he threw four tds in a single quarter and won the MVP after being injured and he won the game. What has Bledsoe done in the playoffs that's so good?

He's won 2 AFC Championships games for starters.

 

[kartr]

The same should be said about Moon. He shouldn't be in the hall either.

Not so. Moon carried his team cause he didn't have a decent RB and he had a crappy head coach. Bledsoe had Parcells and Belichek and still couldn't win a super bowl and hasn't even been able to back to the playoffs. Plus, he couldn't get us there this year, even though the NFC is way down(No Moss and Culpepper in Minny;no Javon Walker and Ahman Green for Farve and an injured McNabb and a suspended T.O.). Oh, and an injured Marc Bulger for the Rams. What's it going to take for Bledsoe to get us to the playoffs? Do all of the best starting QB's in the NFC have to get hurt for him to get us there?

 

[neosapien23]

Moon was a great quarterback. I have never seen anyone lead his team to 30+ points a game with no running back. If only his defense didn't suck he would have gotten the superbowl ring he deserved. I can still remeber the championship game that will go on as one of the biggest chokes in playoff history.

 

[kartr]

I guess you weren't around for the Quincy/Hutch wars were yeah?

The fact is if you go back far enough to the Morton/Staubach time period you will find that "hatin" on the Dallas QB, whomever he is, is a pretty popular pastime.

I mean there were times when it seemed Danny White was just above "criminal" level.

And "Walsh/Aikman"? Just as ugly.

This Bledsoe stuff isn't new. And it isn't as much about hating Drew as it is some of us just don't think he's good enough to be leading the Dallas Cowboys... that's all.

Exactly!

 

[kartr]

I take it then that you are "implying" that I hate Bledsoe...

nothing could be further from the truth...I do not even know Bledsoe and as far as I am aware of he has done no harm to me or my family...In fact I heard that he is a very nice person and gives generously of his time and money to causes he deems worthy...

Neither do I hate him. I would love to have him as a friend or Neighbor. I just don't want anywhere near my football team, turning us into under-achievers like him. He's a 'Danny White' tease, always a bridesmaid,never a bride.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

That's crazy, he's not saying that at all. Moon was the 'star' of his team, while Curtis Martin and McGahee/Henry were the 'stars' of their teams. I have no doubt that Julius Jones will be a big star here as soon as we fix the OL. Fixing the Ol will only affect Bledsoe marginally, cause he'll hold the ball and get sacked and then fumble to boot. Next year, if we fix the OL, Bledsoe will undoubtedly be unmasked as the fraud he is, cause then there will be no more excuses.

Buffalo's Record in 01' : 3-13 (pre Bledsoe)

Buffalo's Record in 02' : 8-8 (with a horrible defense and Bledsoe shattering all of Jim Kelly and the Kgun's franchise records)

Buffalo's Record in 03': 6-10 (started 2-0, but after Donablow got rid of 75% of Drew's weapons the offense went into a tailspin and yes Drew looked very bad at times)

Buffalo's Record in 04': 9-7 (started 1-5 and 3-6, then Bledstud led the team to victory in 6 straight MUST WIN games before the Bills vaunted defense let the steelers scrubs mandhandle them)

Buffalo's Record in 05: 5-11 (post Bledsoe)

*also keep in mind Buffalo has had one of the worst offensive line's in the NFL the past 6 years.

Now....

Dallas's Record in 04: 6-10 (pre Bledsoe with the great Vinnie Testeverde who people feel the need to compare Drew to)

Dallas's Record in 05: 9-7 (barely missing the playoffs and division title with Bledstud at the helm)

I won't bother posting the Pats stats, but they were the laughing stock of the AFC before Drew was drafted, and we all know what happened after Drew left....that's another debate as to if Drew would have had the same success that Brady had.

Bottom line, keep believing that Drew isn't a star and that these teams had other superstars to lead them. The records speak for themself and it's no correlation that the number of wins seem to higher with Bledsoe on the team than without him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Neither do I hate him. I would love to have him as a friend or Neighbor. I just don't want anywhere near my football team, turning us into under-achievers like him. He's a 'Danny White' tease, always a bridesmaid,never a bride.

at least we didn't give Carter a chance to turn us into drug abusers like himself

 

[kartr]

What is that dragon smoking, Zaxor? It better be legal!!

Actually, Carter, even though the winningest Cowboy qb since Aikman is despised beyond reason, even after saying that he bears no enmity towards the Cowboys for releasing him, even though he says he has friends on the team and it hurts him to see them struggle.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Moon was a great quarterback. I have never seen anyone lead his team to 30+ points a game with no running back. If only his defense didn't suck he would have gotten the superbowl ring he deserved. I can still remeber the championship game that will go on as one of the biggest chokes in playoff history.

Ever here of a stellar QB named Drew Bledsoe?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Buffalo's Record in 01' : 3-13 (pre Bledsoe)

Buffalo's Record in 02' : 8-8 (with a horrible defense and Bledsoe shattering all of Jim Kelly and the Kgun's franchise records)

Buffalo's Record in 03': 6-10 (started 2-0, but after Donablow got rid of 75% of Drew's weapons the offense went into a tailspin and yes Drew looked very bad at times)

Buffalo's Record in 04': 9-7 (started 1-5 and 3-6, then Bledstud led the team to victory in 6 straight MUST WIN games before the Bills vaunted defense let the steelers scrubs mandhandle them)

Buffalo's Record in 05: 5-11 (post Bledsoe)

*also keep in mind Buffalo has had one of the worst offensive line's in the NFL the past 6 years.

Now....

Dallas's Record in 04: 6-10 (pre Bledsoe with the great Vinnie Testeverde who people feel the need to compare Drew to)

Dallas's Record in 05: 9-7 (barely missing the playoffs and division title with Bledstud at the helm)

I won't bother posting the Pats stats, but they were the laughing stock of the AFC before Drew was drafted, and we all know what happened after Drew left....that's another debate as to if Drew would have had the same success that Brady had.

Bottom line, keep believing that Drew isn't a star and that these teams had other superstars to lead them. The records speak for themself and it's no correlation that the number of wins seem to higher with Bledsoe on the team than without him.

but without the excessive man-love for Bledsoe

Bledsoe is good enough to get us a Super Bowl berth and win, but it takes much more than just who your QB is, it takes D and a productive running game

 

[kartr]

Moon played into his 40's. Drews #'s stack up pretty well against Moon #'s right now.

I'm not saying you can blame Moon for the system he played in but he did run the run and shoot for about 6 years.


Over all I dont have a problem with Moon getting in. I live in Houston and the Oilers was my team behind the Cowboys of course. But if you let him in 1st ballot, I see no reason why Drew cant make it 1st ballot.

IF and I repeat IF Bledsoe gets a ring with the Boys or any other team for that matter. I think he should be a lock.

That's a very big if. Since he's not gotten a team to the playoffs in more than a half dozen years, it's more like a 'when hell freezes over'.